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I honestly don't think he's deserving on his play so far, but I was just wondering where you guys think he stands.
 
Love is doing something that hasn't been done in almost 30 years. I think you'll be surprised and he gets the coaches vote.
 
MickZagger said:
Love is doing something that hasn't been done in almost 30 years. I think you'll be surprised and he gets the coaches vote.
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Moses Malone did it on a title team and while being doubled in the post.

I didn't see Love doubled a single time last Friday, he had to be pulled off of LMA in the 1st quarter, and he picked up 3 quick fouls on Griffin last night.

I'd take LMA over Love on my team any day and every day.
 
who is the last all-star from a team that was winning at a 21% (or lower) clip? Griffin's Clips are rolling through the league winning 28% of their games. Griffin and Love sucking on D is a pretty big part of their team's not being able to win basketball games IMO

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PapaG said:
LMA demands double-teams, isn't on a terrible team, and gets more respect league-wide defensively than many posters here would give him.
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Lamarcus is putting up inferior numbers while playing better defense for a middle of the road team....you take away the last 4-5 games against absolute trash opponents and he's not playing all that great this year. The bad team argument only goes so far...There is absolutely no doubt Love and Griffin have had better years thus far...while either of these guys are good 1 on 1 defenders, they both crash the boards much better than LMA...I really like the way Lamarcus is playing but I'm not gonna sit here and downplay two fantastic players because they play for poor teams..That is just dumb.
 
PapaG said:
Moses Malone did it on a title team and while being doubled in the post.

I didn't see Love doubled a single time last Friday, he had to be pulled off of LMA in the 1st quarter, and he picked up 3 quick fouls on Griffin last night.

I'd take LMA over Love on my team any day and every day.
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Your argument against his 20/15 not being worthy of an AS appearance is because he doesn't get double teamed? Not sure if you've been watching but LMA sucks when he's double-teamed.

Nobody has averaged 20/15 in 28 years, shitty team, or not.
 
I think Aldridge's play is too little too late when it comes to making the All Star team this season. If he continues to play like this for the next month and we WIN, then he has a shot but I think it's too late to pass the players in front of him statistically. And don't forget about Lamar Odom. 16/10/3 on 59% shooting.
 
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LA will get some votes but that's about it. He will miss the coaches votes barely.
Again no respect because our market is way to small for the eyes of the NBA.
 
MickZagger said:
Your argument against his 20/15 not being worthy of an AS appearance is because he doesn't get double teamed? Not sure if you've been watching but LMA sucks when he's double-teamed.

Nobody has averaged 20/15 in 28 years, shitty team, or not.
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how many All-Stars have ever been voted in by coaches from teams only winning 21% of their games? How about less then 30% or 40%?

Historically coaches have given a lot of weight to playing for a winner in their AS voting and just about every single one preaches the importance of Defense as if it's the holy grail. Love may be the worst defending starting 4 in the league... this deficiency is a big part of the reason the Wolves yet again suck. With him trying to defend the paint opposing coaches see a weakness to exploit with post ups and drives to the hoop. Unless Minnesota picks it up their D and winning % considerably, I doubt KL will make it

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how many All-Stars have ever been voted in by coaches from teams only winning 21% of their games? How about less then 30% or 40%?

Historically coaches have given a lot of weight to playing for a winner in their AS voting and just about every single one preaches the importance of Defense as if it's the holy grail. Love may be the worst defending starting 4 in the league... this deficiency is a big part of the reason the Wolves yet again suck. With him trying to defend the paint opposing coaches see a weakness to exploit with post ups and drives to the hoop. Unless Minnesota picks it up their D and winning % considerably, I doubt KL will make it

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Didn't Kaman make it last year?

20/15 players don't grow on trees. Winning record, or not.
 
MickZagger said:
Didn't Kaman make it last year?
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yup you got one guy on a loser who made it... but of course it's a center where guys go to the AS game by default on occasion (ex Magliore). With Yao Bynum and Greg out they were bottom feeding to get the last guy to fill out the roster... thats not often a problem with guards and forwards. Can you find a guard or forward who played on a pathetic loser like the Wolves and made an AS team?

20/15 players don't grow on trees. Winning record, or not.
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true, but those aren't the end all qualities in the eyes of coaches... typically they place more weight on defense and winning in how they cast their votes.

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Kevin Garnett in 05/06? There's more. I just don't have time right now to look it up.
 
KingSpeed said:
Mitch Richmond? And he won All Star MVP, I believe.
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Correct. Mitch Richmond made it on some horrible Sacramento teams. Danny Granger. Devin Harris. Chris Bosh. Vince Carter on a 24 win Toronto team. Abdur-Rahim (28 win Atlanta team). Marbury (26 win Nets team). Antonio McDyess on the Nuggets. Antoine Walker. Sprewell (on a 28 win GS team). Chris Gatling (on a 23 win Dallas team). Vin Baker (on a 26 win Bucks team). Danny Manning (26 win Clippers team). Michael Adams (29 win Bullets team). Alvin Robertson (29 win Spurs team). Marques Johnson (24 win Clippers team). Norm Nixon. Bernard King (29 win Knicks team). Reggie Theus (29 win Bulls team). Mike Mitchell (29 win Cleveland team). World B. Free. Pete Maravich (26 win Jazz team).

It definitely happens.
 
Not one of those players I listed had as good of a PER as Love has right now.
 
MickZagger said:
Kevin Garnett in 05/06? There's more. I just don't have time right now to look it up.
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in 05/06 Garnett's Wolves were sitting 13-11 at this point of the season more then doubling the wins of Love's Wolves today. By the time the coaches selected in early Feb. they were 20-23 which is a 47% winning percentage
Not one of those players I listed had as good of a PER as Love has right now.
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the point is it's very rare for a player to be rewarded with an AS appearance when they play for the dregs of the league. And when a Big completely sucks on defense like Love does, coaches notice & correlate the player's weakness with the team's losing. Win the war in paint and you generally win the game... Kevin Love waves a white flag on post D. Coaches who might vote for him are the same guys exploiting him when their team faces the Wolves. There are many stats that demonstrate just how horrible they are including point differential where they are 2nd worst in the league to Cleveland... this means that Wolves games feature ample garbage time night after night.

As the old truism goes, offense puts butts in seats, defense wins games/championships... coaches generally place value on the later (wins & D) in their jobs and their AS votes

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MickZagger said:
Correct. Mitch Richmond made it on some horrible Sacramento teams. Danny Granger. Devin Harris. Chris Bosh. Vince Carter on a 24 win Toronto team. Abdur-Rahim (28 win Atlanta team). Marbury (26 win Nets team). Antonio McDyess on the Nuggets. Antoine Walker. Sprewell (on a 28 win GS team). Chris Gatling (on a 23 win Dallas team). Vin Baker (on a 26 win Bucks team). Danny Manning (26 win Clippers team). Michael Adams (29 win Bullets team). Alvin Robertson (29 win Spurs team). Marques Johnson (24 win Clippers team). Norm Nixon. Bernard King (29 win Knicks team). Reggie Theus (29 win Bulls team). Mike Mitchell (29 win Cleveland team). World B. Free. Pete Maravich (26 win Jazz team).

It definitely happens.
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Love's Wolves are on pace to win 16 games this season...

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MickZagger said:
Pace doesn't mean jack shit in the NBA. Young teams get better.
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the Wolves were pretty young last year too and won all of 15 games. At this same date last season they had the same 6 wins they're sitting on this year...

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STOMP said:
the Wolves were pretty young last year too and won all of 15 games. At this same date last season they had the same 6 wins they're sitting on this year...

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Things change. They should get better as the year progresses. I can count atleast 10 games where they had good sized leads they let slip away late in the game. That will definitely change, or Rambis will be out of a job.

If we go by pace than the Spurs might break the Bulls record for wins in a season.
 
MickZagger said:
Things change. They should get better as the year progresses. I can count atleast 10 games where they had good sized leads they let slip away late in the game. That will definitely change, or Rambis will be out of a job.
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I obviously disagree because they can't defend the rim/paint and my belief that this is critical to playing winning ball. Whether Rambis is fired or not, this is a fatal flaw in their assembled talent

If we go by pace than the Spurs might break the Bulls record for wins in a season.
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having Manu fully healthy has done wonders for an already solid team (he's starting and playing about 10% more minutes then last year), but they're older and will probably scale back the minutes of their vets as we near the playoffs. Totally different situation then the Wolves who've been struggling at the same level for a few seasons now... it's not like they've got some major talent coming back from injury who'll change things for them.

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STOMP said:
I obviously disagree because they can't defend the rim/paint and my belief that this is critical to playing winning ball. Whether Rambis is fired or not, this is a fatal flaw in their assembled talent



having Manu fully healthy has done wonders for an already solid team, but they're older and will probably scale back the minutes of their vets as we near the playoffs. Totally different situation then the Wolves who've been struggling at the same level for a few seasons now... it's not like they've got some major talent coming back from injury who'll change things for them.

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They can defend the paint. Darko has been injured since the Portland game. He averages 2.5 blocks a game. Defending the paint isn't the reason they're losing late in games. Its the fact that they turn the ball over at a horrible clip in the 4th quarter of games and they really have no player to go to that can take a man off dribble as a go-to scorer. Love is a good scorer. But, he gets it within the system. Beasley can score, but makes horrible decisions and has a awful Bball IQ
 
I'm gonna get Zags a LOVE jersey for XMAS!
 
Well, the great play by LMA was fun while it lasted...
 
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