LA to possibly play in Europe...

[THE HCP]

RT @PDXjay Talked to LaMarcus Aldridge on the sideline @ Oregon/LSU game. Told me his agent pursuing deal to play overseas during lockout.
TweetDeck • 9/5/11 1:47 PM


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[THE HCP]

RT @PDXjay LA says competition in countries like Greece & Turkey is good enough to challenge him & help him improve his game.
TweetDeck • 9/5/11 1:48 PM


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[BLAZER PROPHET]

Who could blame him. But we're seeing the NBA players are quickly becoming the "haves" and "have nots". The lesser players are being squeezed out.

 

[julius]

Part of me says poor guy can't survive on the millions he made last year.

 

[THE HCP]

I just don't want him getting hurt playing in some Beyond ThunderDome type gym in the mountain region of Eastern Turkey!

 

[julius]

I just don't want him getting hurt playing in some Beyond ThunderDome type gym in the mountain region of Eastern Turkey!

that sounds like your recent car ride with ABM

 

[Ed O]

Who could blame him. But we're seeing the NBA players are quickly becoming the "haves" and "have nots". The lesser players are being squeezed out.

It seems to me that the lesser players are more likely to actually SIGN overseas than to just talk about it. We'll see if that changes as the lockout moves on, but we haven't seen many starting-level NBA players sign with other leagues just yet.

I think it's much easier to talk about moving to Greece or Turkey than to actually do it.

Ed O.

 

[jlprk]

Part of me says poor guy can't survive on the millions he made last year.

Money isn't the main motivator. Dedicated athletes are an abnormal species who crave physical activity. They schedule their whole day around the legal chemical supplements they concoct, and refuse any human presence if it interferes with their daily trip to the gym. If they stop this schedule, they are psychologically lost. It's their whole life, the mental structure keeping them sane. All this activity is for nought if they aren't in a league somewhere.

Speaking of money, which is only the second motivator, I'm tired of reading, "They can't make as much there as here." It's still a thousand times what their friends make at the 7-11, and their friends remind them of it daily. It's still big, big bucks.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I think he needs to stay home with his family. That seems to be important to him, and rightfully so. So take advantage of the time off. Although I certainly would not blame if him he did want to experience playing in Europe. But I would be surprised if he did.

 

[chris_in_pdx]

All I got from this was... he was on the sidelines at the Oregon/LSU game? Maybe we've converted him to an Oregonian! Yay!

 

[julius]

All I got from this was... he was on the sidelines at the Oregon/LSU game? Maybe we've converted him to an Oregonian! Yay!

Well the game was in texas

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

It seems to me that the lesser players are more likely to actually SIGN overseas than to just talk about it. We'll see if that changes as the lockout moves on, but we haven't seen many starting-level NBA players sign with other leagues just yet.

I think it's much easier to talk about moving to Greece or Turkey than to actually do it.

Ed O.

I have a claim going with a recent NCAA all-american who went undrafted (although on some mock drafts he was listed as a late second round pick) and failed to hook up as a free agent. He's now in Turkey playing in their top pro league. Since I have full knowledge of his pay (for claims reasons), I can tell you it's less than $60K per season. So I think the vast amount of these leagues are paying very poorly.

 

[THE HCP]

If they pay at all!

 

[jlprk]

An undrafted player is paid $60K and we're using that as a predictor for what an NBA starter like Aldridge would be paid?

A better comparison for your client would be to ask what he'd be paid in the D-League, since that's where he be here. Looks like they pay a lot more in Europe than here. At the bottom of this page, it says

NBA D-League salaries pay around $12,000, $18,000 or $24,000 per season, according to an NBADL player who spoke to InsideHoops.com.

http://www.insidehoops.com/nbdl.shtml

 

[Ed O]

I have a claim going with a recent NCAA all-american who went undrafted (although on some mock drafts he was listed as a late second round pick) and failed to hook up as a free agent. He's now in Turkey playing in their top pro league. Since I have full knowledge of his pay (for claims reasons), I can tell you it's less than $60K per season. So I think the vast amount of these leagues are paying very poorly.

Interesting. I think that definitely stands to reason. Turkey has a per capita GDP of about 25% of the USA and there are only two basketball stadiums in Turkey that hold more than 5,000 fans.

http://www.worldstadiums.com/middle_east/countries/turkey/marmara.shtml

Add this to what is presumably a relatively weak corporate base and you get... crappy salaries

Ed O.

 

[Ed O]

An undrafted player is paid $60K and we're using that as a predictor for what an NBA starter like Aldridge would be paid?

A better comparison for your client would be to ask what he'd be paid in the D-League, since that's where he be here. Looks like they pay a lot more in Europe than here.

Certainly better players would get more money, and famous ones might even get a premium, but the money just ain't there. There is no NBA-like machine creating revenues to pay players in Turkey.

Ed O.

 

[jlprk]

They offered Kobe Bryant over a million a month and he turned it down. Deron Williams is making something like $600K per month there.

So even though they pay D-League quality players more than here, they pay NBA starters a quarter of what they make here. Big deal. It's still far more than any alternative lockout job. I answered it right here.

Speaking of money, which is only the second motivator, I'm tired of reading, "They can't make as much there as here." It's still a thousand times what their friends make at the 7-11, and their friends remind them of it daily. It's still big, big bucks.

 

[Ed O]

They offered Kobe Bryant over a million a month and he turned it down. Deron Williams is making something like $600K per month there.

So even though they pay D-League quality players more than here, they pay NBA starters a quarter of what they make here. Big deal. It's still far more than any alternative lockout job. I answered it right here.

I don't see any evidence that international teams would be able to pay the majority of NBA starters a quarter (or more) of the average NBA starter salary. There are a few massively wealthy owners that will pay a player or two huge salaries, but that doesn't mean that there are jobs for dozens of quality NBA starters.

Ed O.

 

[jlprk]

You expanded my sample size from two (Willams and Kobe) to all NBA starters. I was talking about the two we have numbers for. And the quarter might be a fifth or third; I didn't look it up.

The point is that the lower players seem to make more there than in the D-League, the big stars seem to make less (consistent with the U.S. being more capitalist), and whatever, it's still a lot more than they can otherwise make during the lockout at 7-11.

Sportswriters keep saying that players should sit out this year because Europe doesn't pay as much as the NBA. It makes no sense.

 

[MickZagger]

You expanded my sample size from two (Willams and Kobe) to all NBA starters. I was talking about the two we have numbers for. And the quarter might be a fifth or third; I didn't look it up.

The point is that the lower players seem to make more there than in the D-League, the big stars seem to make less (consistent with the U.S. being more capitalist), and whatever, it's still a lot more than they can otherwise make during the lockout at 7-11.

Sportswriters keep saying that players should sit out this year because Europe doesn't pay as much as the NBA. It makes no sense.

Prk, where you been man? I've missed your commentary!

 

[THE HCP]

Prk, where you been man? I've missed your commentary!

Get off his jock!

 

[jlprk]

I gotta keep this board going!

I'm going easy on you guys! I'm being careful not to monopolize the board!

Why, you want me to post 10 times as much? No prob!

 

[jlprk]

HCP took my side! Must be because I've been holding back the wife jokes for a month or two.

I figured him out! I got him twisted around my little finger.

 

[jlprk]

No, I think it was because after I told him when the season's cancelled and he needs dough, I got some grapes in my back yard for his family to pick, and he didn't answer, I only repeated it once in another thread and then I stopped.

HCP is a very sensitive man and I'm the only one on the board who understands him.

I probably understand him better than his own wife. But that's as far as it goes. No, I know what you're thinking, no way.

 

[jlprk]

Hey Zaggy, you weren't referring to my near-absence on the OT board, were you? I can't keep up with all those intellectuals posting so much so I read about 1/8 or so of the threads.

By the way, how's your ass doing? My leg hurts and I can't walk.

 

[jlprk]

They offered Kobe Bryant over a million a month and he turned it down. Deron Williams is making something like $600K per month there.

So even though they pay D-League quality players more than here, they pay NBA starters a quarter of what they make here. Big deal. It's still far more than any alternative lockout job.

Italy is offering Kobe $800K before tax or $600K after tax. That's per game, not per month. The Lakers pay him way less than half that much, $310K per game before tax is deducted.

http://eye-on-basketball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/32129249

So Europe not only pays more for D-League talent, they pay more for NBA stars, too!

Take that, Golliver!

 

[THE HCP]

That might be hard for Mr. Mamba to turn down!

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Here's a list of all the NBA-ers who have actually signed to play abroad (forgot that Nic wasn't the only Blazer).

A lot of those salaries are much higher than I would've guessed! Teams in Turkey seem to be particularly loaded. Vujacic and Farmar - they're getting paid MUCH more than they would get in the US! Krstic too.

 

[Rhal]

Here's a list of all the NBA-ers who have actually signed to play abroad (forgot that Nic wasn't the only Blazer).

A lot of those salaries are much higher than I would've guessed! Teams in Turkey seem to be particularly loaded. Vujacic and Farmar - they're getting paid MUCH more than they would get in the US! Krstic too.

Those salaries are what they are making on there NBA contracts not what the team is paying them.

A lot of those clubs cannot afford huge offers for more then 1 season. Seems like a lot of clubs are trying to jump on making there club popular with an NBA level talent for this year and hoping those fans come back for the next years.

 

[jlprk]

Here's a list of all the NBA-ers who have actually signed to play abroad

At the top of this page you can click on
Going overseas | Interested in overseas | Not interested in overseas

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/6793510/nba-overseas-player-movement

At the bottom is another good link, NBA players sorted by national teams.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/6803228/nba-2011-national-team-participants