Trade Larry Nance Jr traded to Portland

[B-Roy]

been gone for 10 days camping. No internet, thankfully. Haven't read the thread but I imagine people have mentioned how Portland made a trade that many have talked about. That's good and the trade very likely improves the Blazers. I don't believe Jones would have contributed that much. Nance isn't good at the three-ball, but he's better than Jones, or Turner or Hezonja. Yeah, faint praise, but at least the Blazers added a PF. One worry is that Nance has missed at least 15 games every season.

one big plus is that with Jordan Kent gone, we won't have to hear "Larry Nance JUNIOR" 15 times a game

the one thing I hate is the loopy protections on the draft pick. That just monkey-wrenches trade flexibility for a year. Making it unprotected would be better than putting a straight-jacket on draft picks for 7 years

They can unprotect it later if a deal comes along that requires multiple first. I don’t Chicago would object to those terms.

 

[andalusian]

Unless the blazers implode that pick is gone next year. If it is gone, it means they did not implode and likely will not need it, so the trade was fine

 

[Hoopguru]

been gone for 10 days camping. No internet, thankfully. Haven't read the thread but I imagine people have mentioned how Portland made a trade that many have talked about. That's good and the trade very likely improves the Blazers. I don't believe Jones would have contributed that much. Nance isn't good at the three-ball, but he's better than Jones, or Turner or Hezonja. Yeah, faint praise, but at least the Blazers added a PF. One worry is that Nance has missed at least 15 games every season.

one big plus is that with Jordan Kent gone, we won't have to hear "Larry Nance JUNIOR" 15 times a game

the one thing I hate is the loopy protections on the draft pick. That just monkey-wrenches trade flexibility for a year. Making it unprotected would be better than putting a straight-jacket on draft picks for 7 years

10 days that's terrific! Take your 5th wheel? Where did you go?

 

[Orion Bailey]

10 days that's terrific! Take your 5th wheel? Where did you go?

ive got to ask. Whats the advantage of a fifth wheel vs getting a camper and towing a car?
it seems its a waste of a truck not being able to use it for much else woth a big post in the center of the bed?

at least thats what ive always thought Bout it anyhow. What am i missing because many people obviously like them.
Im assuming its mainly cost differences?

 

[RR7]

ive got to ask. Whats the advantage of a fifth wheel vs getting a camper and towing a car?
it seems its a waste of a truck not being able to use it for much else woth a big post in the center of the bed?

at least thats what ive always thought Bout it anyhow. What am i missing because many people obviously like them.
Im assuming its mainly cost differences?

Can you not disconnect a 5th wheel and drive the truck around as well? I have no idea, so asking honestly.
My brother in law that didn't live near us, so I never saw him use it, liked their 5th wheel because it had a "garage" section where they can put 4 wheelers and bikes and stuff, and still had a big living space on the end nearest the towing part.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Can you not disconnect a 5th wheel and drive the truck around as well? I have no idea, so asking honestly.
My brother in law that didn't live near us, so I never saw him use it, liked their 5th wheel because it had a "garage" section where they can put 4 wheelers and bikes and stuff, and still had a big living space on the end nearest the towing part.

You can. Most fifth wheel trailers ive seen have front leveling posts for when you set up camp aNd disconnect. I just fogured a car could be towed with an rv and serve much the same purpose.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

ive got to ask. Whats the advantage of a fifth wheel vs getting a camper and towing a car?
it seems its a waste of a truck not being able to use it for much else woth a big post in the center of the bed?

at least thats what ive always thought Bout it anyhow. What am i missing because many people obviously like them.
Im assuming its mainly cost differences?

Fifth wheel connector is removable from the truck bed, so you don't lose utility when you're not towing the trailer. It's not a big post in the bed; just a heavy connector attached with bolts.

Main advantage of a towable over a motor coach is the fact that if you have engine issues with the coach, you're screwed, whereas if your truck has problems, you just get another truck.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Fifth wheel connector is removable from the truck bed, so you don't lose utility when you're not towing the trailer. It's not a big post in the bed; just a heavy connector attached with bolts.

Main advantage of a towable over a motor coach is the fact that if you have engine issues with the coach, you're screwed, whereas if your truck has problems, you just get another truck.

ahh couple of good points.

 

[Hoopguru]

ive got to ask. Whats the advantage of a fifth wheel vs getting a camper and towing a car?
it seems its a waste of a truck not being able to use it for much else woth a big post in the center of the bed?

at least thats what ive always thought Bout it anyhow. What am i missing because many people obviously like them.
Im assuming its mainly cost differences?

The Fifth Wheel is easier to back into a space, as it pivots over the bed. It also uses a good portion of the bed towing so you can tow shorter overall length. Most fifth wheels require a 3/4 ton truck although there are a few 1/2 ton ones available.
With a fifth wheel or travel trailer you can easily use the tow vehicle for scouting around once unhooked. Of course you can tow a vehicle behind a motor home.
Cost is also a factor and motor homes are usually much higher priced and also require more maintenance and licensing cost along with higher fuel cost as a rule.
But really, its preference and what you want/able to spend. Ive had 5th wheel's and now have a 28' travel trailer with a 1/2 ton 6.2, tow package as my puller.

 

[wizenheimer]

ive got to ask. Whats the advantage of a fifth wheel vs getting a camper and towing a car?
it seems its a waste of a truck not being able to use it for much else woth a big post in the center of the bed?

at least thats what ive always thought Bout it anyhow. What am i missing because many people obviously like them.
Im assuming its mainly cost differences?

I've had all three...Trailer, Camper, 5th Wheel...so I'll list some of my pros & cons for each

* trailer...for comparable length you get a little more room; plus a standup bedroom. You also get mechanical advantage when backing up since the pivot point (hitch) is 3-4 feet behind the rear tires

* camper: unlike trailers and 5th wheels you don't have the expense of 4 extra tires (plus spares), axels, shocks, brakes, etc. You also, if you like to go to the forests and deserts and travel of rough roads have the most maneuverable RV option. But campers are small and are a pain in the ass to load and unload. If you find someplace you're like to stay, then you either have to go thru the effort of unloading so you can use your truck, or you have to pull a toad....which means tow a car or a Jeep, etc.

and new campers with slideouts are frigging heavy...and expensive. As in over two tons and 60-75K. And you either need a dually to carry that weight, or something like 20-ply tires with high load ratings. And since those tires weigh in (with rims) in the 170-300 pound range....good luck changing a tire if you get a flat

we had a Lance camper for 10 years and went all over the place, including some roads only suitable for 4 wheel drive. But again, it was either spend a night than move on, or go thru the major hassle of unloading...then loading back up when we wanted to move

* we now have a 5th wheel. It's a small one, 24 feet, with no slide-out (which adds anywhere from 1200 to 1800 pounds just for the steel). By myself I can hitch up and load the 5th wheel and be ready to roll in 5-10 minutes. A trailer takes 2 to 3 times longer, and many require a driver and spotter. Now, as I mentioned with trailers, the mechanical advantage of the hitch being behind the tires makes it easier to back up. With a 5th wheel, the pivot point is directly above the rear tires so it's slower to complete a turn and it reacts slower. You have to anticipate more with a 5th wheel.

But, there is a huge advantage if you're driving down a road with strong side winds. That trailer's mechanical advantage becomes a big disadvantage and can push you all over the road. With a 5th wheel, the wind force is blunted by loading directly over the rear tires. I've driven the 5th wheel easily (relatively) thru winds I would have probably parked the trailer in. And a camper really lifts your center of gravity so it can be unnerving in strong wind too

now, these 5th wheels that are so massive appearing when you're approaching them going the other direction is because they have full walk in bedrooms in that front section. If you get a smaller 5th wheel that has more of a camper bedroom extension, they don't have that massive front profile. Some of those monsters are 13-14 feet tall. Ours is around 10'9, and that's after I reversed the springs to lift the 5th wheel for more clearance on rougher roads. That way I mitigate the possibility of dragging the back end in a ditch of gully. It also gave me more room to add quality shocks

(speaking of which, one thing I learned, an expensive lesson, is that if you go thru a ditch with a camper, you risk tearing the back jacks off by bottoming them out on the ground...thank god for insurance)

If I was only interested in going from RV park to RV park, I'd probably have a trailer. But we rarely go to RV parks and instead dry camp about 90% of the time. I had a service bed put on the pickup (F350 Diesel) so the 5th wheel seemed the best option since I have plenty of space for camping cargo

 

[wizenheimer]

10 days that's terrific! Take your 5th wheel? Where did you go?

Hart Mountain Refuge

were planning on staying 12 days but the last couple of days the smoke from the California fire moved in....was gross

 

[Wizard Mentor]

The Fifth Wheel is easier to back into a space, as it pivots over the bed. It also uses a good portion of the bed towing so you can tow shorter overall length. Most fifth wheels require a 3/4 ton truck although there are a few 1/2 ton ones available.
With a fifth wheel or travel trailer you can easily use the tow vehicle for scouting around once unhooked. Of course you can tow a vehicle behind a motor home.
Cost is also a factor and motor homes are usually much higher priced and also require more maintenance and licensing cost along with higher fuel cost as a rule.
But really, its preference and what you want/able to spend. Ive had 5th wheel's and now have a 28' travel trailer with a 1/2 ton 6.2, tow package as my puller.

I'm going this route - can park in a parking spot, but obviously much less luxurious.

 

[wizenheimer]

of course, if money is no object:

https://earthroamer.com/hd/

 

[wizenheimer]

I'm going this route - can park in a parking spot, but obviously much less luxurious.

man, those van conversions have become extremely popular. See them all over. Not cheap though

you getting 2WD or 4WD?

 

[Hoopguru]

I'm going this route - can park in a parking spot, but obviously much less luxurious.

Seeing a lot of these now.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

Forget Ben Simmons accolades for just a moment.

Which GM is clamoring for his services? Who's been linked to wanting to trade for him?

His own GM has certainly been hilariously connected to wanting everything the sun touches plus 4 firsts...

Then we've heard talk about the same GM being rebuffed for those outlandish offers...

Who are the experts that are looking to add Simmons to their team?

Seriously i honestly don't know? This dude just said he wants out and wants to go to one of three teams in California. Those teams are presumably Lakers, Clippers and GS. I would figure the Kings are not desirable. Funny if he gets shipped there. Might be the only GM that will take the dude now?

Next thought? Maybe Neil did try to get this dude and Simmons himself said he ain't interested? If that is the case we really don't want him here.

 

[Hoopguru]

I'm going this route - can park in a parking spot, but obviously much less luxurious.

Back in the late 60's this is what I camped in, not the exact one but same

 

[Hoopguru]

Then I got this one

 

[Orion Bailey]

of course, if money is no object:

https://earthroamer.com/hd/

sure. Ill take one and supersize it with onion rings instead of fries please!
That thing is simply incredible!!!

 

[Duckhook]

I came here to read any LNJ news and I’m bombarded by camping/trailer posts…

The 4 happiest days of my life were the days I bought a boat and travel trailer… and the 2 days I sold them.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I came here to read any LNJ news and I’m bombarded by camping/trailer posts…

The 4 happiest days of my life were the days I bought a boat and travel trailer… and the 2 days I sold them.

sorry for the thread derail!
But… @Hoopguru did it!!!
*turns and runs*

 

[Idog1976]

Forget Ben Simmons accolades for just a moment.

Which GM is clamoring for his services? Who's been linked to wanting to trade for him?

His own GM has certainly been hilariously connected to wanting everything the sun touches plus 4 firsts...

Then we've heard talk about the same GM being rebuffed for those outlandish offers...

Who are the experts that are looking to add Simmons to their team?

Which GM? That terrible GM down in the Bay Area (from which MANY of the rumors about CA teams can almost certainly be traced to) who you know put together the team that rattled off the best regular-season record in NBA history and a bunch of titles. That guy is a scrub though. /s

 

[Scalma]

Which GM? That terrible GM down in the Bay Area (from which MANY of the rumors about CA teams can almost certainly be traced to) who you know put together the team that rattled off the best regular-season record in NBA history and a bunch of titles. That guy is a scrub though. /s

Links to golden state have been pretty loose, if not just media driven. He doesn’t even fit with that team unless they were looking to dump Draymond, which doesn’t sound very smart. The team with the most concrete interest seems to be Minnesota, which sounds about right.

 

[Scalma]

Hahahah of course his agent is Bartlestein!!


https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2021...h-parties-says-players-agent-terry-pluto.html
CLEVELAND, Ohio – The Cavaliers and the agent for forward Larry Nance have been talking about a trade for a few months.

“It’s not like Larry wanted to be traded or had any problems with Cleveland,” said Mark Bartelstein, his agent. “He loves everything about the Cavs and Cleveland. He grew up there. But we also had a discussion about where Larry is right now at this point in his career and what he wanted to do next.”

The 28-year-old Nance is entering his seventh NBA season. He was traded to Portland on Friday in A 3-way deal bringing 7-foot Lauri Markkanen to the Cavs. Markkanen had played the first four years of his career with Chicago.

“Larry is a great player entering his prime,” said Bartelstein. “I had been talking to Koby (Cavs GM Koby Altman) for a few months about possibly finding a place where Larry could go and play in big time games. The Cavs are still building. Larry would like a chance to play in the postseason in high level games.”

Bartelstein said Altman was reluctant to trade Nance. The GM had turned down several trade offers for the Revere High product in the past.

“Really, this started with a call from me,” said Bartelstein. “We wanted to find two things: A place where Larry would like to play and a deal where the Cavs would get real value in return.”

Agents often are involved in deals like this. Markkanen was a restricted free agent, meaning he had to sign a contract first and then be dealt. Meanwhile, the Cavs were looking for a playoff team where Nance’s all-around skills would fit in well. The 6-foot-9 Nance is an outstanding defender, ballhandler and rebounder.

“Damian Lillard and C.J. McCollum will love playing with Larry,” said Bartelstein, referring to Portland’s two high-scoring guards. The Trailblazers had a 42-30 record in 2020-21. They have made the playoffs in each of the last eight seasons.

The Cavs re-signed 7-foot Jarrett Allen. Then they drafted 7-foot Evan Mobley. While Markkanen also is 7-foot, his best attribute is long distance shooting. He made 40 percent of his 3-pointers last season.

That blends with Allen and Mobley, who are not known for outside shooting. Nor is Nance a 3-point specialist.

“This is a win/win for both sides,” said Bartelstein. “Larry is excited and a little heartbroken at the same time because of his attachment to Cleveland. But at this stage of his career, this is the right move for Larry to make.”

Bartelstein made this final point: “The toughest part of this is how strongly Larry feels about the city of Cleveland , the entire community, the fans, his teammates – all of what the Cavs, the city Cleveland, And Ohio means to him. There is no way to duplicate that”

 

[Pinwheel1]

Links to golden state have been pretty loose, if not just media driven. He doesn’t even fit with that team unless they were looking to dump Draymond, which doesn’t sound very smart. The team with the most concrete interest seems to be Minnesota, which sounds about right.

I would not be surprised to see it happen. As discussed Dray's act has worn thin in GS. An influx of energy might be what GS needs as Curry and Thompson wear down. At times I could see them putting Simmons at center and surrounding him with 4 shooters.

Philly gets Dray and a center to back up Embiid. It could happen.

 

[Idog1976]

Links to golden state have been pretty loose, if not just media driven. He doesn’t even fit with that team unless they were looking to dump Draymond, which doesn’t sound very smart. The team with the most concrete interest seems to be Minnesota, which sounds about right.

I will agree those are rumors about GSW, but they sounded quite plausible as did the Toronto rumors. I believe GSW is trying to retool with an eye toward the future and Draymond might very well be on the block. IMO, both of those GMs are excellent.

 

[BonesJones]

been gone for 10 days camping. No internet, thankfully. Haven't read the thread but I imagine people have mentioned how Portland made a trade that many have talked about. That's good and the trade very likely improves the Blazers. I don't believe Jones would have contributed that much. Nance isn't good at the three-ball, but he's better than Jones, or Turner or Hezonja. Yeah, faint praise, but at least the Blazers added a PF. One worry is that Nance has missed at least 15 games every season.

35% last year, 36% this year, I'd say 37% in a Portland uni would be pretty good.

 

[BonesJones]

the one thing I hate is the loopy protections on the draft pick. That just monkey-wrenches trade flexibility for a year. Making it unprotected would be better than putting a straight-jacket on draft picks for 7 years

You can agree with Chicago to amend protections, would likely take cash at the deadline if we're a surefire playoff team and could open up our 2024 1st.

Could also trade a 2024 1st round pick with the condition that said pick conveys two years after the 2022 pick does. And could do that with future picks as well.

So the protections shouldn't affect anything. If anything, you might be able to fetch more than a 1st for one of Nance and RoCo at the deadline and keep the other one.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Oh is that your concern? I apologize for misrepresenting your position which could be anything really since you wont reveal it. There you feel better?

You say its not appropriate to list your reasons here, and say we shouldn’t be talking about Ben Simmons in this thread, when actually YOU brought him up in the negative and I responded with my well founded position which I am able to articulate as often as needed. You got your apology since you needed that for some reason. Good day.

 

[BonesJones]

Hahahah of course his agent is Bartlestein!!


https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2021...h-parties-says-players-agent-terry-pluto.html
CLEVELAND, Ohio – The Cavaliers and the agent for forward Larry Nance have been talking about a trade for a few months.

“It’s not like Larry wanted to be traded or had any problems with Cleveland,” said Mark Bartelstein, his agent. “He loves everything about the Cavs and Cleveland. He grew up there. But we also had a discussion about where Larry is right now at this point in his career and what he wanted to do next.”

The 28-year-old Nance is entering his seventh NBA season. He was traded to Portland on Friday in A 3-way deal bringing 7-foot Lauri Markkanen to the Cavs. Markkanen had played the first four years of his career with Chicago.

“Larry is a great player entering his prime,” said Bartelstein. “I had been talking to Koby (Cavs GM Koby Altman) for a few months about possibly finding a place where Larry could go and play in big time games. The Cavs are still building. Larry would like a chance to play in the postseason in high level games.”

Bartelstein said Altman was reluctant to trade Nance. The GM had turned down several trade offers for the Revere High product in the past.

“Really, this started with a call from me,” said Bartelstein. “We wanted to find two things: A place where Larry would like to play and a deal where the Cavs would get real value in return.”

Agents often are involved in deals like this. Markkanen was a restricted free agent, meaning he had to sign a contract first and then be dealt. Meanwhile, the Cavs were looking for a playoff team where Nance’s all-around skills would fit in well. The 6-foot-9 Nance is an outstanding defender, ballhandler and rebounder.

“Damian Lillard and C.J. McCollum will love playing with Larry,” said Bartelstein, referring to Portland’s two high-scoring guards. The Trailblazers had a 42-30 record in 2020-21. They have made the playoffs in each of the last eight seasons.

The Cavs re-signed 7-foot Jarrett Allen. Then they drafted 7-foot Evan Mobley. While Markkanen also is 7-foot, his best attribute is long distance shooting. He made 40 percent of his 3-pointers last season.

That blends with Allen and Mobley, who are not known for outside shooting. Nor is Nance a 3-point specialist.

“This is a win/win for both sides,” said Bartelstein. “Larry is excited and a little heartbroken at the same time because of his attachment to Cleveland. But at this stage of his career, this is the right move for Larry to make.”

Bartelstein made this final point: “The toughest part of this is how strongly Larry feels about the city of Cleveland , the entire community, the fans, his teammates – all of what the Cavs, the city Cleveland, And Ohio means to him. There is no way to duplicate that”

So Olshey doing that guy favors actually paid off!