Last Dance

[e_blazer]

Far be it form me to toot my own horn......... But somebody just sent me this. THE HCP's brand is absolutely taking off. I need to ask Denny for a raise!

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...tary-soundtrack-praised-throwback-selections/

According to Mrs. HCP, your horn gets tooted plenty often, especially after burritos.

 

[BigGameDamian]

https://www.essentiallysports.com/n...viewed-for-michael-jordan-the-last-dance/amp/

“Just a No Response”: Director Reveals Two NBA Legends Who Denied Being Interviewed for Michael Jordan’s The Last Dance

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[THE HCP]

Shit, very understandable why Russell wouldn't go on there.

 

[Hoopguru]

I was surprised they didn't have a Trailblazer interviewed, especially Clyde.

 

[THE HCP]

I was surprised they didn't have a Trailblazer interviewed, especially Clyde.

I'm quite sure Clyde said NO.

 

[Hoopguru]

lol....i didnt se that till after my post about Clyde.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Horace Grant says Michael Jordan lied in 'Last Dance,' calls him 'snitch'

Like other former teammates, Grant was unhappy with the portrayal of various players and situations throughout the documentary.

"I would say [it was] entertaining, but we know, who was there as teammates, that about 90% of it -- I don't know if I can say it on air, but B.S. in terms of the realness of it," Grant said. "It wasn't real -- because a lot of things [Jordan] said to some of his teammates, that his teammates went back at him. But all of that was kind of edited out of the documentary, if you want to call it a documentary."

 

[Hoopguru]

Horace Grant says Michael Jordan lied in 'Last Dance,' calls him 'snitch'

Does that mean he's a liar!

 

[Rastapopoulos]

^ That's a lot of words based on one very shaky assumption: that Jordan wouldn't have evolved along with today's style of play. Dude became defensive MVP in one season to silence the critics who said he was bad on that end! He went from a high flyer early in his career to a fall-away mid-range shooter late in his career. He was perfectly capable of making 3s, it just wasn't the primary means of attack for anyone but a spot-up shooter.

There's a reason he shrugged when he hit all those threes in the first finals game against Portland: he was normally crap.

Phil Jackson likes to say that one reason Jordan was better than Kobe was because of the size of his hands. Those same big hands are a HANDicap when shooting long-distance. Plus Jordan had a very flat shot.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Krause gives background on breaking up the Bulls

 

[handiman]

There's a reason he shrugged when he hit all those threes in the first finals game against Portland: he was normally crap.

Phil Jackson likes to say that one reason Jordan was better than Kobe was because of the size of his hands. Those same big hands are a HANDicap when shooting long-distance. Plus Jordan had a very flat shot.

His career percentage was far from crap. Back then, the 3 was used [by anyone but a specialist] just enough to keep defenses honest.

 

[Hoopguru]

Horace Grant's comments valid?

 

[Minstrel]

Horace Grant's comments valid?

Probably. I have no trouble believing that Jordan screamed and ranted at his teammates--I have a lot more trouble believing that they were intimidated and meek as mice around him except for Steve Kerr. These are all pro athletes, with their own type-A confidence. It seems much more likely that they fought back against Jordan's attempted bullying.

 

[Hoopguru]

Probably. I have no trouble believing that Jordan screamed and ranted at his teammates--I have a lot more trouble believing that they were intimidated and meek as mice around him except for Steve Kerr. These are all pro athletes, with their own type-A confidence. It seems much more likely that they fought back against Jordan's attempted bullying.

I too didn't get why he would comment on what teammates were doing in that room. I realize it adds punch to the doc and he was trying to state how different he was compared to others at that point. But to throw teammates other employee's under the bus never is a good thing.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Did they bring up the Rodney McCray thing in... "the so-called documentary"?

 

[Five Second Violation]

I don't think it's a given that Jordan would have developed a consistently good three-point shot--I suspect he tried to even in his era. He once even acknowledged it as a weakness in his game and that the best (but also riskiest) way to defend him was probably to give him the three to play his first step. But I agree that if it were a bigger part of the game, he'd have spent more time on it and it's possible he would have succeeded.

He was a fundamentally great shooter with excellent shot mechanics, and he was one of the most lethal midrange shooters in league history. 84% career FT shooter on an uber high volume. The notion that he couldn't have been a higher end three point threat had he prioritized it is ridiculous.

Hate Jordan the person all you want, but don't think for a second that he would do any less than dominate the league now given how incredibly soft the NBA has become. That Ringer article is idiotic trash.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

He was a fundamentally great shooter with excellent shot mechanics, and he was one of the most lethal midrange shooters in league history. 84% career FT shooter on an uber high volume. The notion that he couldn't have been a higher end three point threat had he prioritized it is ridiculous.

Hate Jordan the person all you want, but don't think for a second that he would do any less than dominate the league now given how incredibly soft the NBA has become. That Ringer article is idiotic trash.

I think the counterargument being used is that it is also ridiculous to assume that he didn't prioritize 3 point shooting.

 

[THE HCP]

They only hate the great ones.

 

[handiman]

I think the counterargument being used is that it is also ridiculous to assume that he didn't prioritize 3 point shooting.

Which makes little sense, as the whole premise of the article is that the league didn't prioritize it back then ... ya know, times have changed.

 

[Shaboid]

They only hate the great ones.

That doesn't explain why we all hate you here #BAM

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Which makes little sense, as the whole premise of the article is that the league didn't prioritize it back then ... ya know, times have changed.

Jordan didn't prioritize "what the league prioritized". For example, he started the trend of lifting weights on game day, which was discouraged by the league culture.

 

[handiman]

Jordan didn't prioritize "what the league prioritized". For example, he started the trend of lifting weights on game day, which was discouraged by the league culture.

That's off-court stuff. He tried to perfect his game within the confines of how it was played at the time. No one was even considering the idea that launching 60 threes a game was analytically efficient, so it would have made little sense for Jordan to work extensively on that skill at the expense of his already dominant, and more practical, ones. There's only so much practice time in the day, and skills erode if you don't keep working on them.

 

[THE HCP]

That doesn't explain why we all hate you here #BAM

Red Flagged! Denny please handle this guy!

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Karl Malone has become the guy working at the gas station/general store that the kids in a horror film encounter just before they leave the main road to head out to the Cabin in the Woods

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Probably. I have no trouble believing that Jordan screamed and ranted at his teammates--I have a lot more trouble believing that they were intimidated and meek as mice around him except for Steve Kerr. These are all pro athletes, with their own type-A confidence. It seems much more likely that they fought back against Jordan's attempted bullying.

That's certainly the way Horace Grant tells it

 

[BigGameDamian]

They didn't even talk about the intro music?

 

[THE HCP]

zI honestly never knew the name if that song until about a month ago.

 

[BigGameDamian]

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/clyde-drexler-michael-jordan-the-last-dance-diss.amp

Clyde Drexler fires back at Michael Jordan after disrespect in 'The Last Dance

https://www.spreaker.com/user/98085...tm_source=user:9808520&utm_term=episode_title


Clyde Drexler Discusses The Last Dance, His Career & How James Harden Takes The Next Step

 

[BigGameDamian]