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No, Anakin became Vader when Palpatine named him Vader BEFORE he executed Order 66. He was Vader when Obi cut off his limbs.

Bottom line though, if Vader died then, Obi would've sensed it.
I disagree, I think when he fought Obi he was still Anakin... just EXTREMELY conflicted. He only became Vader truly once Palps put the suit on him and used him as an attack dog. You should watch the Clone Wars series on Netflix (first season is hard to get through just a heads up) with your son, it will give you great context to Anakin during that time.
 
I disagree, I think when he fought Obi he was still Anakin... just EXTREMELY conflicted. He only became Vader truly once Palps put the suit on him and used him as an attack dog. You should watch the Clone Wars series on Netflix (first season is hard to get through just a heads up) with your son, it will give you great context to Anakin during that time.

My son and I have seen every episode. I still am not swayed.

Nope. He literally KILLED YOUNGLINGS... No confliction there.
 
My son and I have seen every episode. I still am not swayed.

Nope. He literally KILLED YOUNGLINGS... No confliction there.
Yes, yes he did... I really think George Lucas dropped the ball on that one.. episode 3 was really good but I'll be honest, I wish the prequels would've started the clone wars episode 1 with a grown Anakin, so by episode 2 the obi/Anakin battle happens. Then episode 3 could've been Vader centric in the suit confusing all the Jedi as to who he is because Obi defeated Anakin the episode beforehand.
 
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The Last Jedi was bashed because RUSSIAN TROLLS!

https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/1...sian-trolls-for-weaponizing-social-media-hate
Regardless of personal opinions on Star Wars: The Last Jedi, it appears that Russian trolls used latent fan disagreements around the film to propagate and weaponize a “narrative of widespread discord and dysfunction in American society,” at least according to a recent study.

Via Mashable, the study in question was done by Morten Bay, a research fellow at the USC Annenberg School for Communication and Journalism. It compares the social media reaction that happened in the 2016 US Presidential Election to the social media climate that existed (and still exists) around The Last Jedi.

Ultimately, the study found "evidence of deliberate, organized political influence measures disguised as fan arguments” by examining various tweets directed at Rian Johnson, the writer and director of the film.

The results of the study conclude that of those who directly addressed Johnson on Twitter to express negative viewpoints, "more than half are bots, trolls/sock puppets or political activists using the debate to propagate political messages supporting extreme right-wing causes and the discrimination of gender, race or sexuality. A number of these users appear to be Russian trolls.” The paper concludes that these are organized attempts at politicizing the pop culture discourse on social media for strategic purposes.

The article stressed that there are naturally a "substantial number of fans who simply think The Last Jedi is a bad film and who use social media to express their disappointment.” However, regardless of motive or bot/troll status, the vast majority of negative fans expressed the belief that they were in the majority, and that most Star Wars fans disliked The Last Jedi.
 
I must be the only one that kinda liked it. Ill have to watch it again this weekend maybe, but I thought it was decent. Didnt blow me away or anything.

Typical though, I don't fit in with anything around here. lol.
 
I must be the only one that kinda liked it. Ill have to watch it again this weekend maybe, but I thought it was decent. Didnt blow me away or anything.

Typical though, I don't fit in with anything around here. lol.

Go watch some of the reviews on youtube. They'll really break down why people don't like it. It's mostly the fact that the storytelling is just all over the place. They build something up, and then just tear it down without any resolution. Can you imagine in the original trilogy if they had built up Darth Vader, and then revealed that he was Luke's father, and then Vader just died like a bitch at the end of the movie? Vader slips on a banana peel and accidentally impales himself on his own lightsaber. You'd be like..... wtf?????

So think of it like this.... Vader is dead.... the Rebellion wiped out with the exception of like 15 people..... and Luke is magically really good at everything without any training at all. That series would have sucked..... and that's why this series sucks.
 
Go watch some of the reviews on youtube. They'll really break down why people don't like it. It's mostly the fact that the storytelling is just all over the place. They build something up, and then just tear it down without any resolution. Can you imagine in the original trilogy if they had built up Darth Vader, and then revealed that he was Luke's father, and then Vader just died like a bitch at the end of the movie? Vader slips on a banana peel and accidentally impales himself on his own lightsaber. You'd be like..... wtf?????

So think of it like this.... Vader is dead.... the Rebellion wiped out with the exception of like 15 people..... and Luke is magically really good at everything without any training at all. That series would have sucked..... and that's why this series sucks.

IT SUBVERTS YOUR EXPECTATIONS.

LOOK, WE JUST WASTED A HALF HOUR ON A POINTLESS WILD GOOSE CHASE! BET YOU THOUGHT THAT WOULD GO SOMEWHERE...NOPE!

BECAUSE WE WANTED TO SHOCK YOU!
 
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Go watch some of the reviews on youtube. They'll really break down why people don't like it. It's mostly the fact that the storytelling is just all over the place. They build something up, and then just tear it down without any resolution. Can you imagine in the original trilogy if they had built up Darth Vader, and then revealed that he was Luke's father, and then Vader just died like a bitch at the end of the movie? Vader slips on a banana peel and accidentally impales himself on his own lightsaber. You'd be like..... wtf?????

So think of it like this.... Vader is dead.... the Rebellion wiped out with the exception of like 15 people..... and Luke is magically really good at everything without any training at all. That series would have sucked..... and that's why this series sucks.

Yeah that sounds lame, I might just get caught up in all the fantasy and not pay attention as much to how it adds up. Which is really weird because I cant stand movies that dont add up... but that's on the realistic sense.

Like we just watched something the other night. Cant remember what it was, ... oh yeah an episode of Sopranoss. AJ ( the son) and his friends snuck into the highschool swimming pool and broke a bunch of glass display cases, then proceeded to walk barefoot all over the glass picking up trophies and tossing them in the pool. Camera didn't show their feet, but I was like, WTF? They would have their feet all cut up. Things like that get me and turn me off.

?But when it comes to fantasy, I don't think I care as much about it equating.
 
Go watch some of the reviews on youtube. They'll really break down why people don't like it. It's mostly the fact that the storytelling is just all over the place. They build something up, and then just tear it down without any resolution. Can you imagine in the original trilogy if they had built up Darth Vader, and then revealed that he was Luke's father, and then Vader just died like a bitch at the end of the movie? Vader slips on a banana peel and accidentally impales himself on his own lightsaber. You'd be like..... wtf?????

So think of it like this.... Vader is dead.... the Rebellion wiped out with the exception of like 15 people..... and Luke is magically really good at everything without any training at all. That series would have sucked..... and that's why this series sucks.

Rey being strong in the force would've been easier to swallow if they didn't tease us with her parents being important only to have it turns out they were nothing (allegedly).

Snoke dying so easily, and stupidly, would've been like Palpatine dying in ESB, almost by accident. It's as if they used Bill and Ted's telephone booth time machine to take Rey and Kylo Ren into the future to train, come back to present day and all the sudden have bad ass powers.

And then the wasted scene of going to the gambling planet? What was the point of that? It was seriously like reading a sci-fi story I wrote in grade school, and trying to make sense of it.

Last Jedi needs to get the treatment of the Holiday Special. It never happened.
 
Its hard to be scared of Kylo Ren. He has shown to be weak AF. And now we are in the final part of the trilogy with bumbling bad guys and severely depleted good guys led by Rey, who we still don't know why she keeps on beating the shit out of everyone.

Who cares what happens.

Are you attached to any of the characters? Do you care which side wins? They can all kill each other and I could care less.
 
Rey being strong in the force would've been easier to swallow if they didn't tease us with her parents being important only to have it turns out they were nothing (allegedly).

Snoke dying so easily, and stupidly, would've been like Palpatine dying in ESB, almost by accident. It's as if they used Bill and Ted's telephone booth time machine to take Rey and Kylo Ren into the future to train, come back to present day and all the sudden have bad ass powers.

And then the wasted scene of going to the gambling planet? What was the point of that? It was seriously like reading a sci-fi story I wrote in grade school, and trying to make sense of it.

Last Jedi needs to get the treatment of the Holiday Special. It never happened.

The Emperor would make sense as a parallel to Snoke if they had done a better job of building him up as this supremely powerful being, but the Emperor was really just a name at that point. We didn't know much about him until the third movie. Vader was the big bad villain in the first two movies. Snoke is built up as some supremely powerful being, who is so powerful that he can force a connection with the force between Rey and Kylo. This is a dude who is so powerful and yet dies like a chump. Maybe if the Emperor had been introduced more centrally in the second film, the comparison would make more sense. Kylo isn't even a Vader.... he's basically a dark side Luke. Emo, not refined, and a loose cannon. There is no Vader in the new films. There isn't an iconic villain in this new series. They all suck. Can you imagine Rey trying to face Vader? He toyed with Luke repeatedly. The snark that he had in EST is what makes that movie so good.
 
‘Star Wars: The Last Jedi’ Hate Was Bolstered by Russian Troll Bots, Study Finds


...finds evidence of deliberate, organized political influence measures disguised as fan arguments. The likely objective of these measures is increasing media coverage of the fandom conflict, thereby adding to and further propagating a narrative of widespread discord and dysfunction in American society. Persuading voters of this narrative remains a strategic goal for the U.S. alt-right movement, as well as the Russian Federation.

..., destabilizing and creating factions to make objections about the female-driven story that also, God help us, featured some minorities was a bigger deal than it actually was. So if you are one of those actual humans who was spouting off hate about this and thought you were being supported by countless other odious voices across the interwebs, you were. They were mostly bots, and ya got played.

You can mess with our political system, but Star Wars!? Russia has gone too far this time!
 
This reminds me of when they tried to say it was the fault of the evil male chauvinists that the latest all-woman Ghost Busters movie was a total flop.
 
Its hard to be scared of Kylo Ren. He has shown to be weak AF. And now we are in the final part of the trilogy with bumbling bad guys and severely depleted good guys led by Rey, who we still don't know why she keeps on beating the shit out of everyone.

Who cares what happens.

Are you attached to any of the characters? Do you care which side wins? They can all kill each other and I could care less.

The Emperor would make sense as a parallel to Snoke if they had done a better job of building him up as this supremely powerful being, but the Emperor was really just a name at that point. We didn't know much about him until the third movie. Vader was the big bad villain in the first two movies. Snoke is built up as some supremely powerful being, who is so powerful that he can force a connection with the force between Rey and Kylo. This is a dude who is so powerful and yet dies like a chump. Maybe if the Emperor had been introduced more centrally in the second film, the comparison would make more sense. Kylo isn't even a Vader.... he's basically a dark side Luke. Emo, not refined, and a loose cannon. There is no Vader in the new films. There isn't an iconic villain in this new series. They all suck. Can you imagine Rey trying to face Vader? He toyed with Luke repeatedly. The snark that he had in EST is what makes that movie so good.

This is what I have heard about episode 9.

KKyloor Rey will find out in visting Vader's castle on Mustafar that Darth Sidious was Snoke's other apprentice. She will find a holographic recording of Sidious telling Anakin about him, about how though his master knew how to return from death, he slayed him. This will be a foreboding for what is to come...Snoke is not dead. Rey will turn Kylo back to the goodside. They will fight Snoke together in the end. And of course rey will find out who her parents actually are, someone we all know, not junkers. The mess that is episode 8 will be fixed. Yoda, Luke, Anakin, and Obi wan will show up as force ghosts. Leia will be given a proper farewell.

 
Who the fuck wanted to see Kylo's carbon fiber scar heal up? The Fuck man.

And the way he just switched bad all of the sudden was fucking lame. They built it a little but wasted the moment by a pretty shallow turn.

He still doesn't seem super evil, hard to see him in the role as the primary bad guy.

He won't be
 

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