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<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">Why would you say this? If Carter came to NY he would have many options to choose from. Houston or Crawford, Hardaway, JYD, TT who all play his position. You say we are underrating him but, do you think you are overrating Carter, or perhaps underrating the Knicks?</div>

If VC was on the Knicks one or two of those players would have to be included in the deal to make it work. The deal won't happen though, because there's no deal you can possibly give us that would make Babcock accept. Crawford and Marbury are the only players I would be willing to accept, but it's obvious they aren't being traded.
 
I wish everyone would get off the "16ppg" bandwagon. We all know what Vince can do. He showed signs of it in the early games of the season. So everyone be quiet about "B-b-b-ut look at his stats! He sucks!"

Any idea when Vince will be moving to New York?
 
Fine. Whatever you guys say. Vince Carter is such a great player. He's better than everyone on our team except Marbury. That's why teams are offering so much to get him right? This is getting tedious. We're not getting anywhere. Since Vince Carter is still "a top fifteen player" you can keep him. You all just said you wont take Houston for him(best offer you've had so far). Myself and mrj18 have said we dont want Vince period. So that's that. We want our players and you want yours. The Knicks will look to make a good run in the playoffs while the Raptors will continue to free fall into oblivion and get ready for the lottery.
 
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Carter trade with houston is bad ...... Carter against the j.Crawford - now thats much better ...but toronto would not accept this......

Tribute to H20 got a poin there =)

We do not need Carter
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">. You all just said you wont take Houston for him(best offer you've had so far). </div>



Porland: SAR and Nick Van Exel or Dereck Anderson
Memphis: Bonzi Wells and Mike Miller

And in the summer there were rumour of Allan Iverson for Vince Carter


I hardly think Houston is a better deal than the Portland and memphis trades...but then agian...all of these, even Houston are just rumours.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">I hardly think Houston is a better deal than the Portland and memphis trades...but then agian...all of these, even Houston are just rumours.</div>
Thank goodness they are only rumors!
 
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Vince is always getting injured, we might need him, but, he will be on the injuried list
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Always injured? He was injured for the first time this season and only missed 9 games last season. That's more healthy then most "elite players". Your whole injury prone basis is on the fact that he missed significant games in 01-02 and 02-03 but aside from that, what other seasons has he really been injury prone? The injury he suffered wasn't anything major so all this bashing just needs to stop.

Carter isn't playing well and we all know that but to question his shooting his just ridiculous. He is an above average shooter and passer when he applies himself.
And forgive me for not reading the whole thread, I was merely glimpsing through it but someone said Crawford is better because he dropped 50 points when he was 24?? What kind of weak arguement is that?
So what? What does that prove?
Cliff Robinson dropped 50 before, as well as Tony Delk. Just because a player drops 50 doesn't mean that they are better then another. According to that thoery, because Croawford drops 50 when he's 24, he's not only better then Carter but Duncan and Garnett as well since they don't drop 50's often.
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<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">Don't worry about the Knicks getting carter. Worry about the Nets getting him.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1948449</div>

Wow. This is some pretty interesting stuff. That's a great trio of perimeter players. Looks like the Nets are looking to duplicate the line up we're trying to build. And the Raptors will have be better as well. We just might have that Battle of the Atlantic afterall.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">Wow. This is some pretty interesting stuff. That's a great trio of perimeter players. Looks like the Nets are looking to duplicate the line up we're trying to build. And the Raptors will have be better as well. We just might have that Battle of the Atlantic afterall.</div>
We're winning of course
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<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">We're winning of course
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But of course. It'll make things much more interesting if the Nets were able to defend themselves. I didnt enjoy that game against the Nets(well I did but not as much as I thought I would). There was no Kenyon Martin, no Kittles. Kidd didnt even play his normal amount of minutes. Jefferson is still there...but its just not the same. Hopefully this trade goes down. That way I can have my short lopsided Battle of the Atlantic and thoroughly enjoy the Knicks crushing Nets
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i dunno...about Knicks vs. Nets

Knicks have a stronger frontcourt, although still not a great one themselves. But its an edge none the less

Kidd-Carter-Jefferson is a better backcourt than Marbury-Crawford-Houston in my and most others(i'd be willing to bet) opinions. Assuming of course Kidd gets back to 100%, as well as Houston and Carter. Bench is about even between teams. Maybe a slight edge to New York. But i think the Nets will be a more consistent team overall, and have better coaching.

I predict Nets win more games from Vince Carter activation time than the Knicks do....by a decent margin as well.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">i dunno...about Knicks vs. Nets

Knicks have a stronger frontcourt, although still not a great one themselves. But its an edge none the less</div>
The Knicks have a very decent frontcourt. Maybe not a great one but, it is very decent with Nazr Mohammed, Kurt Thomas, and soon to be Allan Houston. Their games really compliment eachother well.
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Kidd-Carter-Jefferson is a better backcourt than Marbury-Crawford-Houston in my and most others(i'd be willing to bet) opinions. Assuming of course Kidd gets back to 100%, as well as Houston and Carter. Bench is about even between teams. Maybe a slight edge to New York. But i think the Nets will be a more consistent team overall, and have better coaching. </div>
I guess one can say that however, I feel that the Knicks is more effective. The Knicks have two great ballhandlers, and a great shooter. Marbury can create for both Jamal Crawford and Allan Houston who can easily make them pay. Jefferson has gotten better with his shooting but, it is still somewhat inconsistant. I guess you can say it is better but, this backcourt will be fine for our team while their backcourt will be good for their team.

About the bench, I will have to disagree with you. The Knicks have great role players in Penny Hardaway, JYD, Moochie Norris, Sweetney, TT will be better off the bench, and Trevor Ariza. Are you honestly saying this is a slight edge over: Best, Buford, Mercer, Planinc, Vaughn, Scalabrine, and Dickens? I think in my and many others opinions will say that New York has a much better bench. The Knicks bench is huge factor in whether they win or not. Role Players like JYD are hard to come by and not many teams have that kind of hustle/heart/defensive player.

Can you really say they will be a more consistant team after giving up their only center and the rest of their frontcourt? They didn't even get a big man from the Raptors. The Nets now only have Collins: not your ideal image of a center. Kristic: a very talented rookie but, too inexperienced and only 21. And Brian Scalabrine: a good hustle player that shows heart but, he is a bench role player. That and that only.
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I predict Nets win more games from Vince Carter activation time than the Knicks do....by a decent margin as well.</div>
I see you have much faith in Vince Carter. I disagree that the Nets will win more games than New York. I do think New Jersey definitely got better with Vince Carter but, I think their acquisition of Carter still has its flaws to it. The Nets can definitely sneak into the playoffs however, their lack of big bodies will prove costly for them in the playoffs and as well in the season. There is no way any of us can rpove eachother wrong on this but, to watch and see what each team does.
 
I agree with MJ18, the Knicks have a clear edge both in the frontcourt & on the bench. Frontcourt is clear as day in favor of the Knicks Mohammod is alot better offensively then Collins, as well as rebounding, they both pick up alot of stupid fouls tho. And Kurt Thomas vs Brian Scalabrine, well besides the fact that Scalabrine's shooting range can stretch to three Point distance, he really has nothing on Kurt thomas. I think the thing that makes their bench & frontcourt, so much better is the verstilty the Knicks can bring off the bench particularly with their frontcourt guys. Jermome Williams can play multiple postions, Tim Thomas can play both forward spots(if he goes to the bench). And Sweetney can play PF & a little undersized Center. The Nets simply dont have that type of frontcourt depth & versatilty coming off their bench. I dont really worry about the Knicks bench perimeter because they have alot of interchangable parts starting on the perimeter with Houston, Crawford, & Steph.

But I still think if the Nets perimeter meshes well they are better. Crawford at the 2, has more range then Jefferson. But Jefferson is a more consistent scorer, better shot selection. And just all-around a much better player imo. Jefferson creates more plays for others, much better on ball defender and better rebounder. Vince & Houston at the three spot. I dont know Vince was a clear cut better player a couple of seasons ago. I still think he is better but not as far apart as many may precieve. But Vince is better suited to play the 3spot even tho he might play the 2 with Jefferson going back to the 3.

Anyway, the only position the Knicks may have an edge actucally is at the point. With Kidd coming off an injury, does he still have the impact all-around that he once had? If not then Steph probably passes him as the better point guard. Steph has gotten better defensively this year as the season has went long, still not the team defender as kidd. But not that far off as an on-ball defender imo, cause Kidd's on-ball defense was always overatted. Kidd is still the better opencourt playmaker. But Steph is the better half-court playmaker. Nobody at the point rebounds like a healthy Kidd tho...so I dont know. I think if Kidd doesnt get back to close to full strenght, where he can do the rebounding & team defensive things that sperate him from the rest of the pack.. Steph probably becomes slightly better.
 
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