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Phatguysrule said:
That's just not true though. Every gun show I've ever been to requires a background check to sell a firearm. That background check prevents gun shows from selling (at least, hand guns) to out of state buyers.
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Not what I've heard, but good
 
jonnyboy said:
You’re just patching together a scenario to fit your narrative. Two of the three people he shot were armed and had pointed weapons before he did. The third was assaulting him with a skateboard.
Yes, we all know it’s stupid to show up to a riot (no, it wasn’t a ‘protest’) with a gun, one reason being because you might get shot. Same goes for him if he would’ve been the first one to point a gun. He didn’t just stroll up and start blasting people holding BLM signs though, like you’re trying to make it sound like.
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Rittenhouse was brandishing his gun and therefor assaulting before anyone else did anything.
Also, one of the dead never had a gun.
 
Chris Craig said:
Not what I've heard, but good
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Any loophole is private party transfers (which could theoretically happen in the parking lot of a gun show, or any other parking lot). Which is now illegal in Oregon, but will likely not become illegal most places.

The federal law I've proposed regarding firearms restrictions on ID is the only way this could be addressed nationwide. Everthing else crosses a line for most gun rights enthusiasts, as well as Republicans in general.

However, solving the problem isn't actually a goal of democrats, so they don't like the restricted ID solution either.

If it worked they'd lose a very valuable wedge issue...
 
Orion Bailey said:
centuries is only a blip in the whole scheme of things… those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
The amendment is there and STILL there for a good reason…
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The amendment was put there because of slavery and the fear that the slaves, which outnumbered Whites in some places, might revolt. A biography of Alexander Hamilton reveals this.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Any loophole is private party transfers (which could theoretically happen in the parking lot of a gun show, or any other parking lot). Which is now illegal in Oregon, but will likely not become illegal most places.

The federal law I've proposed regarding firearms restrictions on ID is the only way this could be addressed nationwide. Everthing else crosses a line for most gun rights enthusiasts, as well as Republicans in general.

However, solving the problem isn't actually a goal of democrats, so they don't like the restricted ID solution either.

If it worked they'd lose a very valuable wedge issue...
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My father in law said he went to a gun show in Washington and was able to get a shotgun and a handgun without a background check.
 
Lanny said:
The amendment was put there because of slavery and the fear that the slaves, which outnumbered Whites in some places, might revolt. A biography of Alexander Hamilton reveals this.
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There were several reasons.

Whatever one, guns have still become a huge problem
 
Phatguysrule said:
Any loophole is private party transfers (which could theoretically happen in the parking lot of a gun show, or any other parking lot). Which is now illegal in Oregon, but will likely not become illegal most places.

The federal law I've proposed regarding firearms restrictions on ID is the only way this could be addressed nationwide. Everthing else crosses a line for most gun rights enthusiasts, as well as Republicans in general.

However, solving the problem isn't actually a goal of democrats, so they don't like the restricted ID solution either.

If it worked they'd lose a very valuable wedge issue...
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It's needs to be a goal for both sides.

Dems try to bring up anything regarding guns in making laws, the Republicans shit themselves. Dems need to stop folding like lawn chairs and the Republicans need to come to the table.
 
Chris Craig said:
There were several reasons.

Whatever one, guns have still become a huge problem
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But the data doesn't support that. Violent crime is the problem, though less of a problem than in the past.

That is due in large part to the wealth gap and lack of a social safety net.
We have a low gini coefficient.
 
Chris Craig said:
It's needs to be a goal for both sides.

Dems try to bring up anything regarding guns in making laws, the Republicans shit themselves. Dems need to stop folding like lawn chairs and the Republicans need to come to the table.
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Because Dems are bringing bullshit to the table and using bullshit numbers to support it.

It is designed to be a wedge issue. Gun control is a racist and classist endeavor.
 
Phatguysrule said:
But the data doesn't support that. Violent crime is the problem, though less of a problem than in the past.

That is due in large part to the wealth gap and lack of a social safety net.
We have a low gini coefficient.
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Data doesn't support it? Shootings are up across the nation. There have been over a thousand shootings in Portland this year alone.

Violent crime with guns. Without the guns, violent crime drops. If people don't have guns they can't shoot people. Sure, there will be knifes and hammers etc, but those are easier to defend against.

I know it has to do with wealth gap, lack of social safety net, and inequalities, etc. It's still guns.
 
Chris Craig said:
Data doesn't support it? Shootings are up across the nation. There have been over a thousand shootings in Portland this year alone.

Violent crime with guns. Without the guns, violent crime drops. If people don't have guns they can't shoot people. Sure, there will be knifes and hammers etc, but those are easier to defend against.
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Please show the data that supports violent crime drops without the guns? I'm very interested...
 
Chris Craig said:
Maybe he was lying to look cool or something. Make it was a parking lot deal like you said. Who knows.
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Could be. But it supports the argument that it doesn't matter what law you make. Criminals will have access to guns in the US.

All we can do is make it easier for law abiding citizens to avoid these kinds of transactions. And there is nothing easier than a restriction on the state ID of restricted individuals.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Please show the data that supports violent crime drops without the guns? I'm very interested...
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Without guns, criminals will be less inclined and feel less empowered to commit violent crimes. There will still be violent crimes. It just seems logically there will be less, or at least less people dying.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Could be. But it supports the argument that it doesn't matter what law you make. Criminals will have access to guns in the US.

All we can do is make it easier for law abiding citizens to avoid these kinds of transactions. And there is nothing easier than a restriction on the state ID of restricted individuals.
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I agree with your restrictions idea
 
Chris Craig said:
Without guns, criminals will be less inclined and feel less empowered to commit violent crimes. There will still be violent crimes. It just seems logically there will be less, or at least less people dying.
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Criminals will have guns. Haven't we already established that?

There is no data that shows any gun law makes any significant impact on violent crime or murder rates.

Don't let yourself be lured into the wedge.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Criminals will have guns. Haven't we already established that?

There is no data that shows any gun law makes any significant impact on violent crime or murder rates.

Don't let yourself be lured into the wedge.
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Yeah, Criminals will find a way to get more guns and there is no way to take all the guns away from all the bad people, so I guess it's a moot point.
 
Chris Craig said:
I agree with your restrictions idea
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It's logical. But ask yourself, why haven't you heard it seriously proposed before?

The reality, guns aren't a problem. Keeping people poor and desperate is the problem. Because poor and desperate people make poor and desperate decisions.

The lobbyists of both sides need people to be poor and desperate. Not thinking logically.

This is why healthcare is a wedge issue we refuse to resolve. Same deal. Lobbyists need us arguing about it.

They can't solve all of these problems and let us focus on campaign finance reform. Limiting lobbying.

The corporations don't want it and neither do their hand picked members of congress.
 
Chris Craig said:
Yeah, Criminals will find a way to get more guns and there is no way to take all the guns away from all the bad people, so I guess it's a moot point.
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It's not a moot point once you realize we can make a far bigger impact by forcing our government to focus on improving access to education, healthcare, and improving the social safety net and the judicial system.
 
Phatguysrule said:
It's not a moot point once you realize we can make a far bigger impact by forcing our government to focus on improving access to education, healthcare, and improving the social safety net and the judicial system.
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Is there another country that has the number of shootings or gun deaths that compares to the US?
 
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country

Countries with the Highest Total Gun Deaths (all causes) in 2019
  1. Brazil (49436)
  2. United States (37038)
  3. Venezuela (28515)
  4. Mexico (22116)
  5. India (14710)
  6. Colombia (13169)
  7. Philippines (9267)
  8. Guatemala (5980)
Countries with the Highest Rates of Violent Gun Death (Homicides) per 100k residents in 2019
  1. El Salvador (36.78)
  2. Venezuela (33.27)
  3. Guatemala (29.06)
  4. Colombia (26.36)
  5. Brazil (21.93)
  6. Bahamas (21.52)
  7. Honduras (20.15)
  8. U.S. Virgin Islands (19.40)
  9. Puerto Rico (18.14)
  10. Mexico (16.41)
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country

Countries with the Highest Total Gun Deaths (all causes) in 2019
  1. Brazil (49436)
  2. United States (37038)
  3. Venezuela (28515)
  4. Mexico (22116)
  5. India (14710)
  6. Colombia (13169)
  7. Philippines (9267)
  8. Guatemala (5980)
Countries with the Highest Rates of Violent Gun Death (Homicides) per 100k residents in 2019
  1. El Salvador (36.78)
  2. Venezuela (33.27)
  3. Guatemala (29.06)
  4. Colombia (26.36)
  5. Brazil (21.93)
  6. Bahamas (21.52)
  7. Honduras (20.15)
  8. U.S. Virgin Islands (19.40)
  9. Puerto Rico (18.14)
  10. Mexico (16.41)
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So any developed, high functioning country besides the US?
 
calvin natt said:
So any developed, high functioning country besides the US?
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Latinx based countries seem to have the higher gun death rates. White and Asian countries usually have lower gun rates.

I guess you can correlate the white and asian countries as being developed and higher functioning, overall.
 
calvin natt said:
Is there another country that has the number of shootings or gun deaths that compares to the US?
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There are other countries with far fewer guns yet far higher violent crime and murder rates.

We have more guns than anybody else in the world. Of course we're going to use them more...

But this is really a dishonest question. Why does it matter how a person dies?

Honestly, if I had to pick between being shot or bludgeoned to death I'd pick being shot every time.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Latinx based countries seem to have the higher gun death rates. White and Asian countries usually have lower gun rates.

I guess you can correlate the white and asian countries as being developed and higher functioning, overall.
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The second list is a poo poo platter of fucked up nations so I’m not sure by missing this list it means much.
 
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