Let us readdress this issue shall we? Nate McDillon :fail:

[OddEnormous]

This is in regards to me saying that a couple months ago that Nate hasn't made any of the young nucleus players better from last year to this. In fact they are worse.

I was told up and down I had it wrong and that the Jesus Machine (PER) tells us Bayless is fucking awesome and Batum is Scottie Pippen's DNA equal.

So let's review now shall we?

Players this year Vs. Last year:

LMA = worse
Batum = better
Bayless = worse
Rudy = worse
Roy = worse
Webster = worse (Than 2 years ago)

(The others are new in this this year or a wash due to injury)

This is on top of the players looking bored and uninterested. Somehow Howard found some form, Nate tried to fucking bury Miller until he had no choice but to play him, and of course Camby is going to be Camby.

Thank FUCK we brought in the old vets this season who know how to get it done. This team would be so far adrift without Miller, Camby and Howard it's scary.

Nate should be giving them fucking hand jobs and whispering "Thank you" into their ears when he's done.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

I like Nate McClueless the best

 

[andalusian]

Players this year Vs. Last year:

LMA = worse

Not buying this, given that LMA had to play so many different roles this year with the injuries.

Batum = better

Yes.

Bayless = worse

Nope. JB is much better this year.

Rudy = worse

Yup. Could be that his back injuries and the loss of Sergio has been an effect...

Roy = worse

Not buying this again. Injury issues this year in addition to a big adjustment playing next to a ball dominant PG - and if anything - I think Roy has learned a lot this year, his play, when healthy was just as dominant - and he is expanding his game significantly being able to play off the ball much better.

Webster = worse (Than 2 years ago)

Not buying this as well. He is still the same inconsistent player he was (This year's PER is actually the best of his career) - while playing much better defense this year.

 

[OddEnormous]

I like Nate McClueless the best

It's not bad but I've ©Ronald McDillon so I sort of have to use it.

 

[OddEnormous]

Not buying this, given that LMA had to play so many different roles this year with the injuries.



Yes.



Nope. JB is much better this year.

Bayless fer fucks sake... :shakeshead:




Yup. Could be that his back injuries and the loss of Sergio has been an effect...



Not buying this again. Injury issues this year in addition to a big adjustment playing next to a ball dominant PG - and if anything - I think Roy has learned a lot this year, his play, when healthy was just as dominant - and he is expanding his game significantly being able to play off the ball much better.



Not buying this as well. He is still the same inconsistent player he was (This year's PER is actually the best of his career) - while playing much better defense this year.

I couldn't agree less.

 

[RoyToy]

This is in regards to me saying that a couple months ago that Nate hasn't made any of the young nucleus players better from last year to this. In fact they are worse.

I was told up and down I had it wrong and that the Jesus Machine (PER) tells us Bayless is fucking awesome and Batum is Scottie Pippen's DNA equal.

So let's review now shall we?

Players this year Vs. Last year:

LMA = worse
Batum = better
Bayless = worse
Rudy = worse
Roy = worse
Webster = worse (Than 2 years ago)

(The others are new in this this year or a wash due to injury)

This is on top of the players looking bored and uninterested. Somehow Howard found some form, Nate tried to fucking bury Miller until he had no choice but to play him, and of course Camby is going to be Camby.

Thank FUCK we brought in the old vets this season who know how to get it done. This team would be so far adrift without Miller, Camby and Howard it's scary.

Nate should be giving them fucking hand jobs and whispering "Thank you" into their ears when he's done.

Look at this post littered with facts to back you up.

 

[OddEnormous]

Look at this post littered with facts to back you up.

Oh dear!!!! Human opinion!!!!!!!!

RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!

Which players are better this year than last?

 

[HailBlazers]

All of them, except maybe rudy. You just can't see through all the adversity.

Nate for COY!

 

[RR7]

Oh dear!!!! Human opinion!!!!!!!!

RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!

Which players are better this year than last?

All except for Rudy.

 

[Tince]

This topic: fail.

 

[RoyToy]

Oh dear!!!! Human opinion!!!!!!!!

RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!

Which players are better this year than last?

Oden was much better before going down(check the stats)
Batum is much better(check the stats)
Bayless is much better(check the stats)

Basicaly the 3 youngest players showed some big improvement. Hmmmmmmm....


Roy = same(not sure how much room he has to improve, basically avg same numbers)
Aldridge = same(avg less pts, but shooting higher % and avg more rebs)
Webster = same(numbers are actually a tad down, but one hot streak changes that, so he's basically the same. When he was counted on to score he avg 15 for the month of Jan)
Przybilla = same

Worse = Rudy(missing too many open shots this year)

 

[OddEnormous]

This topic: fail.

Why even bother then?

 

[OddEnormous]

Oden was much better before going down(check the stats)
Batum is much better(check the stats)
Bayless is much better(check the stats)

Basicaly the 3 youngest players showed some big improvement. Hmmmmmmm....


Roy = same(not sure how much room he has to improve, basically avg same numbers)
Aldridge = same(avg less pts, but shooting higher % and avg more rebs)
Webster = same(numbers are actually a tad down, but one hot streak changes that, so he's basically the same. When he was counted on to score he avg 15 for the month of Jan)
Przybilla = same

Worse = Rudy(missing too many open shots this year)

Are a bunch of "sames*" good enough when we had the youngest team in the league last season?

*Sake of argument

Roy and Aldridge are done progressing?

If that's the case, we're fucked.

And anyone who thinks Roy is the player he was last year, needs to have their head examined.

 

[RoyToy]

Are a bunch of "sames*" good enough when we had the youngest team in the league last season?

*Sake of argument

Roy and Aldridge are done progressing?

If that's the case, we're fucked.

And anyone who thinks Roy is the player he was last year, needs to have their head examined.

Your initial point of this thread was comparing players this year vs last year, yet now you're talking about something completely different and it's a whole other argument/topic. Stay on your own topic.

 

[ironcrotch]

So the point of this thread is to say we need a new coach and a new team?

Interesting.

 

[tlongII]

Unbeavable. Nate has taken a team that has suffered more games lost to injury than any other team save the Warriors and guided it to the playoffs. Yet some still say he is a bad coach. Unbeavable.

 

[OddEnormous]

Unbeavable. Nate has taken a team that has suffered more games lost to injury than any other team save the Warriors and guided it to the playoffs. Yet some still say he is a bad coach. Unbeavable.

Howard, Camby and Miller have saved this team.

The young nucleus is faltering.

Remember when Nate tried to run Miller out of town?

Top TOP coach.


I have no doubt that Ronald can squeeze the life out of enough games in the regular season to get into the playoffs. I have serious doubts he can do anymore than that.

 

[oldmangrouch]

I don't see how anybody can watch this team play, and not acknowledge that Roy, LMA, Rudy, and Blake all seriously regressed this season.

Blame injuries? Sure....just remember that injuries hit every team, every season.

 

[HailBlazers]

grouchy

 

[STOMP]

This topic: fail.

cosign

if opinions are all that the OP respects, mine is he is being very silly in more ways then one

STOMP

 

[STOMP]

I don't see how anybody can watch this team play, and not acknowledge that Roy, LMA, Rudy, and Blake all seriously regressed this season.

Blame injuries? Sure....just remember that injuries hit every team, every season.

really???? You're claiming they are a constant and not possibly a valid excuse? OKC's entire roster has missed 3 games this season, PDX's near 300. Just remember to do a little research before you post

STOMP

 

[ehizzy3]

freepost

 

[Minstrel]

I don't see how anybody can watch this team play, and not acknowledge that Roy, LMA, Rudy, and Blake all seriously regressed this season.

Blame injuries? Sure....just remember that injuries hit every team, every season.

The issue was "young talent." Blake doesn't qualify. I think most people realized he had a career-high type of year.

Aldridge has basically stagnated. While that's clearly not optimal, it's also not shocking for a player to reach his prime by around age 23 (last year). Most players improve a bit from 23 to 26, but the vast majority of improvement happens prior to age 23.

Rudy has regressed and is the most worrying. I thought he had the talent to be an above average starter, but I think it's time to readjust expectations on him.

On the other hand, Oden, Batum and Bayless (the three best talents among the "young guys," in my opinion) all improved significantly. That's much more heartening.

 

[jwhoops11]

I couldn't agree less.

You've obviously demonstrated your basketball acuity so we must have to believe you....

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Are a bunch of "sames*" good enough when we had the youngest team in the league last season?

When the youngest players were the ones who got better, and the best players from the previous year were the ones who stayed the same, then I'd say that yes, it is.

 

[craigehlo]

Unbeavable. Nate has taken a team that has suffered more games lost to injury than any other team save the Warriors and guided it to the playoffs. Yet some still say he is a bad coach. Unbeavable.

The injury argument is weak IMHO. We saw how Nate complately ignored Oden and pulled him too quickly in the few games he played this season.

This team succeeds in spite of Nate's coaching. We've rode the natural talents of the players as far as we can go. We need a real coach to get to the next level.

 

[OddEnormous]

The injury argument is weak IMHO. We saw how Nate complately ignored Oden and pulled him too quickly in the few games he played this season.

This team succeeds in spite of Nate's coaching. We've rode the natural talents of the players as far as we can go. We need a real coach to get to the next level.

Wrepped.

Eggzacktlee.

 

[Tince]

If Nate is a bad coach this year because nobody improved, what were your thoughts of him last year when a large chunk of the roster had career years?

 

[craigehlo]

If Nate is a bad coach this year because nobody improved, what were your thoughts of him last year when a large chunk of the roster had career years?

Did those players succeed because of the brilliant offensive schemes, or was it due to the natural progression of maturity that young players experience when they have been in the league a while?

Since Nate's coaching style is like AAU ball, just roll the rock out there and let players iso and post, I'm guessing the latter.

 

[OddEnormous]

If Nate is a bad coach this year because nobody improved, what were your thoughts of him last year when a large chunk of the roster had career years?

I've already said numerous times, at the start of last season (after the first 3 games) I bet several friends and acquaintances hundreds of American dollars that he will never win a playoff series with Portland.

I must admit that at different parts of the season last year I thought I would lose that bet. A few of the people I'm involved with asked if I wanted to settle for half price.

I thought about it and refused going with my gut. I just kept telling myself to remember it was the regular season.

Then when I saw the way the team came out of the blocks this season I knew I'd won the bet.

They were a shambles and didn't start playing well until he ran out of options. He wanted to run Miller out of town too don't forget.

Nate will never get us where we want to go.