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I just read a small op-ed blurb in the Oregonian. The writer makes the point that since the city puts out so much money for bicyclists and they all too often break the rules of the road, that they should have to obtain a license, register their bikes and even purchase insurance. They will be subject to tickets like a auto drier. The revenues collected will go towards more safety improvements for bicyclists.

On the one hand I see no good reason why bicyclists shouldn't pay their fair share for the roads they use. On the other hand, more government intrusion.
 
you already have to to take your bus on the MAX (or at least you did in 1994). You had to go downtown to the Metro office, buy a license, take a test (putting your bike on and off of a Metro bus bike carriage in some allotted time that I've forgotten), and were required to show your 'license' to an agent if asked, subject to penalty (which I imagine could've been a fine).
 
Yes, lets make it more difficult and expensive to use a bike as a means of transportation. Hopefully commuters stop riding a bike and instead drive their cars more often. That will lower the cities transportation expenses.....
 
I would be completely in favor of licensing and possibly even insuring bike riders if they built bike-only roads. I think there are a lot of reckless bike riders out there, and there needs to be some kind of repercussions for breaking the law or riding recklessly.
 
I would be completely in favor of licensing and possibly even insuring bike riders if they built bike-only roads. I think there are a lot of reckless bike riders out there, and there needs to be some kind of repercussions for breaking the law or riding recklessly.

As for me, I think if the police cited bicyclists for rules violations like the rest of us, that's good enough for me.
 
I would be completely in favor of licensing and possibly even insuring bike riders if they built bike-only roads. I think there are a lot of reckless bike riders out there, and there needs to be some kind of repercussions for breaking the law or riding recklessly.

You can receive citations for riding a bike... and I am pretty sure a DUI even. My 3 year old just got a bike yesterday... does she need a license?

I don't think there are a lot of reckless bike riders. Sure there are some... but compare that wreckless drivers and it isn't even in the same ballpark. As someone that used to run a lot... I completely understand the rage of people stuck in traffic when you go cruising by. They flip you off, yell out you, turn in front of you and all kinds of fun stuff... and that is when you are not doing anything wrong. I can't count how many times I have almost been hit crossing with a pedestrian cross signal.

Everyone does pay for those bike lanes already... we get the benefit of reduced costs of road maintence, pollution and traffic for every bike on the road. Seems like a win to me already.
 
As for me, I think if the police cited bicyclists for rules violations like the rest of us, that's good enough for me.

They do this quite a bit down here in my area. Big fines for not stopping at a stop sign, riding the wrong direction in a bike lane, etc, etc.
 
A terrible idea. It's nothing more than an excuse to build a new bureaucracy to license and register bicycles, which then leads to taxing authority. If a bike rider violates the law in a gross and negligent way, then go ahead and give them a fine. If they endanger themselves, then I say two cheers for social darwinism. But to create a bureaucracy for bikes? Hell no. George Harrison had it right 46 years ago: "If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet..."
 
A terrible idea. It's nothing more than an excuse to build a new bureaucracy to license and register bicycles, which then leads to taxing authority. If a bike rider violates the law in a gross and negligent way, then go ahead and give them a fine. If they endanger themselves, then I say two cheers for social darwinism. But to create a bureaucracy for bikes? Hell no. George Harrison had it right 46 years ago: "If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet..."

I'm with maxiep...
We don't need even more government and bureaucracy. If it were the case that these agencies actually paid for themselves, it would be less of a stupid idea, but still just more government. It makes it even worse when you take into account that this would be yet another part of the government that will lose money.
 
Then that's good.

At first glance it isn't terrible. But then you realize that there are cops that actually just stake out some remote, non-crowded intersections for portions of the day just to bust bikers that are not endangering anybody... not even themselves.
 
my only beef with sharing the road with bikers, is the ones who want the same rights as drivers, but dont feel they need to obey the same laws as drivers.
 
As for me, I think if the police cited bicyclists for rules violations like the rest of us, that's good enough for me.

I think you don't hang out downtown enough. I see cops give bicyclists tickets.
 
my only beef with sharing the road with bikers, is the ones who want the same rights as drivers, but dont feel they need to obey the same laws as drivers.

I then want EVERY car that drives over the speed limit to be ticketed.
 
I then want EVERY car that drives over the speed limit to be ticketed.

Off-hand, it doesn't seem that driving over the speed limit (to a certain extent) is as likely to cause an accident as running through stop signs.
 
I then want EVERY car that drives over the speed limit to be ticketed.

I didnt say everyone would get caught. I'm just saying if you want the same rights as a driver you should have to follow the same rules, and be subject to the same fines.
 
Off-hand, it doesn't seem that driving over the speed limit (to a certain extent) is as likely to cause an accident as running through stop signs.

bike on bike accidents are not as dangerous. You pointed out earlier that bikes in an empty intersection are not an issue, it's when a bike doesn't stop at a full intersection that is a problem.
 
bike on bike accidents are not as dangerous. You pointed out earlier that bikes in an empty intersection are not an issue, it's when a bike doesn't stop at a full intersection that is a problem.

its just as much of an issue as a car going through a "non busy" intersection.
 
its just as much of an issue as a car going through a "non busy" intersection.

Ah yes a 20lb bicycle and a 5000lb car are just as much of a danger to others.
 
Ah yes a 20lb bicycle and a 5000lb car are just as much of a danger to others.

right neither can hurt a little kid who runs out in the middle without knowing any better :rolleyes2:
 
The bicyclists in Portland are becoming more and more militant against car drivers and have started issuing citizen tickets which is perfectly legal to do in Portland.
Then, Rueter talked to Ray Thomas, a Portland bike lawyer, and got surprising advice: "I can go after this guy myself," Rueter found out. Thomas had just finished writing a how-to manual for bikers, explaining a little-known law that allows citizens to enforce traffic laws.


If they can identify the driver, a citizen can ask the police to initiate a citation, Thomas explains, "and the cops have to do it," he says. "The law is very clear here. You cobble this thing together, and it's served by a uniformed officer. If the person is convicted, it's the same as if the citation was issued by a police officer." (Portland's cyclists used the citizen-initiated law in the '80s to go after drivers who threw litter at them, or tried to run them off the road, Thomas explains.)


"We've been working with the Portland Police Bureau, and they've heard our concerns and are working to devote more resources to crashes and take them more seriously," says Jessica Roberts, metro-area advocate for the Bicycle Transportation Alliance. "In the meantime, though, citizen enforcement is the only avenue open to many people who have been abandoned by the legal system."
Rueter went for it. He called the officer who responded to the accident. "I said I wanted to use the citizen-initiation law," Rueter says. "He had never heard of it, and I don't think his supervisor had heard of it. I kind of got a lot of blank looks the whole way through."


But the officer consulted with the police traffic division, and filled out a citation form. Then Rueter gave a sworn statement, "saying all the information I had was correct," and the police delivered the citation to the driver, summoning him to court on April 5.


http://www.portlandmercury.com/portland/Content?oid=38057&category=22101

The article is a couple of years old but I know 2 people who have received tickets from pissed off bike riders. While I agree that there are lots of idiot motorists out there but there are also tons of idiot bike riders who don't stop for lights or stop signs. Can I write them a ticket? Maybe but it would involve knocking them off of their bike in order to find out who the fuck they are. All they have to do is write down my license plate and they can claim anything they want and the cops have to give me the ticket.

The mayor in Portland has gone bike crazy. Increasing the amount that is used on bike lanes in Portland from 6% to 20% in the money take in from the gas tax. That doesn't even include the $600 million in new bike paths they are funding with increased water and sewer rates.

Personally I think we should try something to get fees from bicycle riders. I'd love it if they had license plates on their bikes so I could give them tickets every time they blow through a stop sign.
 
The bicyclists in Portland are becoming more and more militant against car drivers and have started issuing citizen tickets which is perfectly legal to do in Portland.


The article is a couple of years old but I know 2 people who have received tickets from pissed off bike riders. While I agree that there are lots of idiot motorists out there but there are also tons of idiot bike riders who don't stop for lights or stop signs. Can I write them a ticket? Maybe but it would involve knocking them off of their bike in order to find out who the fuck they are. All they have to do is write down my license plate and they can claim anything they want and the cops have to give me the ticket.

The mayor in Portland has gone bike crazy. Increasing the amount that is used on bike lanes in Portland from 6% to 20% in the money take in from the gas tax. That doesn't even include the $600 million in new bike paths they are funding with increased water and sewer rates.

Personally I think we should try something to get fees from bicycle riders. I'd love it if they had license plates on their bikes so I could give them tickets every time they blow through a stop sign.

Lol, Portlanders can be real douchebags sometimes.
 

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