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Mediocre Man said:
Really? Look at the NFL and their QBs. Except for a select few, it's virtually impossible to put a supporting cast around a QB off of his rookie contract.
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This is true, but NFL really needs a bigger salary cap and larger rosters.
 
Orion Bailey said:
You sure about that? Tom Brady begs to differ. Tim Duncan Begs to Differ.
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SlyPokerDog said:
Tom Brady and Tim Duncan didn't not take max contracts when they were in their prime. They took less when they were older.
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exactly, thank you for calling out a bad take

Orion Bailey said:
Three years ago. I think NO has learned lessons, exhibited by the Nurk contract..
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we don't know that

all we know is that when Olshey has max cap-space he offers max contracts to Roy Hibbert, Enes Kanter, Greg Monroe, Chandler Parsons and Hassan Whiteside. And he offers Turner 70M, Meyers 41M, and matches Crabbe at 75M

when there is almost no cap-space at all league-wide and it's a complete buyer's market, he can get Nurkic on a discount deal.

the preponderance of evidence is that Olshey is a moron when he has space
 
e_blazer said:
I'd really like to drive a Porsche. Porsche should sell it to me for less so that I have more money available for all of the little things that will make that Porsche really look good when I drive it, maybe a little bling to hang around my neck, a nicer home so it will look good in my driveway, you know, I have expenses to make that Porsche really work for both of us. They should really take a discount.
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Are you an employee of porsche?

your analogy makes no sense.
 
Paine Tablet said:
It will be a strike against Dame in my book if he signs this, especially after choking so hard where it counts. It's a strike against the front office for me, because I don't think Dame deserves it relative to what counts.
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He averaged 26.6,6.6,4.8 while constantly facing doubles with a third guy behind the double just to get the ball out of his hands. This argument is so stupid, Dame did not play bad but people will just look at the scoreboard and not how he actually played and go "OMG DAME SUCKS!". Dame created a ton of space because of how how hard GS and the Nuggets were chasing him and basing their D around him, he did this while sharing hte court with 3 players the other team just left open(Aminu/harkless/Kanter) because they knew that those three wouldnt' make great or quick passes and those teams were fine with those three shooting and maybe scoring rather then Dame score. But if you want to blame DAme sure go ahead and blame him regardless if its justified or not.
 
wizenheimer said:
exactly, thank you for calling out a bad take



we don't know that

all we know is that when Olshey has max cap-space he offers max contracts to Roy Hibbert, Enes Kanter, Greg Monroe, Chandler Parsons and Hassan Whiteside. And he offers Turner 70M, Meyers 41M, and matches Crabbe at 75M

when there is almost no cap-space at all league-wide and it's a complete buyer's market, he can get Nurkic on a discount deal.

the preponderance of evidence is that Olshey is a moron when he has space
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Thats why I said I think. Not Know. :) All of those contracts were offered prior to Nurk.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Are you an employee of porsche?

your analogy makes no sense.
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You're looking at this as if Dame is just an employee and he should be willing to take a reduced salary so that his employer can put other better employees around him to achieve more success.

In my somewhat strained analogy, Dame is a business (Porsche in this case). He has his music career, he has his endorsement deals, and he has his basketball talents all available to market for his best financial advantage. The Blazers are where he has currently contracted to use his basketball skills. Once that contract is up, he's entitled to sell his basketball talents to any other team, but the Blazers want to, in essence, continue to drive the Porsche. They also want to have other pieces around the Porsche to make the most impact for their own marketing ambitions. They operate in a business environment where the top-end talent is necessary to have any success. Expecting that you get the Porsche for less than market value just so you can buy lesser pieces is not a realistic business plan.
 
e_blazer said:
You're looking at this as if Dame is just an employee and he should be willing to take a reduced salary so that his employer can put other better employees around him to achieve more success.

In my somewhat strained analogy, Dame is a business (Porsche in this case). He has his music career, he has his endorsement deals, and he has his basketball talents all available to market for his best financial advantage. The Blazers are where he has currently contracted to use his basketball skills. Once that contract is up, he's entitled to sell his basketball talents to any other team, but the Blazers want to, in essence, continue to drive the Porsche. They also want to have other pieces around the Porsche to make the most impact for their own marketing ambitions. They operate in a business environment where the top-end talent is necessary to have any success. Expecting that you get the Porsche for less than market value just so you can buy lesser pieces is not a realistic business plan.
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Okay but then Dame( The porche), will run longer and maintain longer with the help.
 
Blazinaway said:
Anyone have a problem that the first year of the $191 mil supermax contract starts when he's 31? One could say that's a bad contract the moment he signs it
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Steph Curry is 31 right now. Would you have a problem paying him that money for the next two years of his services?
 
e_blazer said:
Steph Curry is 31 right now. Would you have a problem paying him that money for the next two years of his services?
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2 yrs yeah, 4 yrs is questionable and Dame would be guaranteed 4 more starting at age 31 with the supermax, and is Dame as good as Steph?
 
Orion Bailey said:
Are you an employee of porsche?

your analogy makes no sense.
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Actually, it makes perfect sense. Unfortunately for his argument, corporations ROUTINELY give away product to celebrities in order to make more money in the long run, than they'd make had they relied on celebrities paying full price for their product.
 
Rhal said:
He averaged 26.6,6.6,4.8 while constantly facing doubles with a third guy behind the double just to get the ball out of his hands. This argument is so stupid, Dame did not play bad but people will just look at the scoreboard and not how he actually played and go "OMG DAME SUCKS!".
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Actually, it's ONLY by looking at the scoreboard that one might think he played well. He was FAR worse than his stats suggest.
 
Blazinaway said:
2 yrs yeah, 4 yrs is questionable and Dame would be guaranteed 4 more starting at age 31 with the supermax, and is Dame as good as Steph?
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Someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but I think the extension just adds two years to Dame’s current contract.

Wrong. I see it’s a four year extension.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Okay but then Dame( The porche), will run longer and maintain longer with the help.
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All these are simply assumptions. You ASSUME Neil won't make stupid decisions. You ASSUME those decisions Neil makes will win us a title. You ASSUME Dame' will make more in the long run.

This is horrible financial planning.

When a guaranteed 200 million is staring you in the face, you don't go back and offer a discount based on assumptions.
 
I wonder if instead of money we could just give Dame Gresham?
 
e_blazer said:
Someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but I think the extension just adds two years to Dame’s current contract.

Wrong. I see it’s a four year extension.
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The extension kicks in AFTER his next two yrs and ADDS FOUR MORE YEARS at 191 mil, he'll be 34 in his final yr making close to 50 mil
 
TBpup said:
Dame does deserve it....that's not the point. And don't say "not one person here would leave money on the table in your current situation" because I have done it in my career for something that was better long term. And it worked out very well so I've repeated the same strategy multiple times.

I'm not dogging Dame for taking the money. But there is also a longer term reality here that the franchise will then be faced with.
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I'm just gonna go out on a limb and say that your situation is NOTHING like Dame's.

Did you EARN a raise for the company you work for, or was said money left on the table from another company and a completely different situation?

If so, stop comparing your choice to Dame's. They're not remotely the same.
 
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Blazinaway said:
The extension kicks in AFTER his next two yrs and ADDS FOUR MORE YEARS at 191 mil, he'll be 34 in his final yr making close to 50 mil
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Yeah, I researched that and saw that I misunderstood the deal. Still, that takes Dame to the same age as Chris Paul is now. This season was the first real drop in his production, and Dame has been healthier than Paul over his career. I think locking him up for six years of his prime is a good business decision.
 
Warriors players have taken less than the maximum amount possible in recent years. Just saying
 
Blazinaway said:
The extension kicks in AFTER his next two yrs and ADDS FOUR MORE YEARS at 191 mil, he'll be 34 in his final yr making close to 50 mil
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Dame is making close to 30% of the cap this season

if he's making 50M in 2025 and the cap is 148M he'd be making 34% of the cap

I think a lot of people are freaking out about the raw numbers of his salary without considering the full context

calvin natt said:
Warriors players have taken less than the maximum amount possible in recent years. Just saying
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so did Dame

he could have got a 30% extension the last time instead of 25%, but he split the difference and took a 27.5% extension
 
yuyuza1 said:
All these are simply assumptions. You ASSUME Neil won't make stupid decisions. You ASSUME those decisions Neil makes will win us a title. You ASSUME Dame' will make more in the long run.

This is horrible financial planning.

When a guaranteed 200 million is staring you in the face, you don't go back and offer a discount based on assumptions.
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Its called taking a chance.

And for the record,m its great planning by the organization.

How come you havent address what some have said that Dame can make the balance up in endorsement when the team wins it all and plays better due to a better supporting cast?

Of course its ALL assumptions.

You speak as a man on a 50K a year salary. If you have 100 Mill in the bank, With another 150 mill coming, you wouldn't then take 50 mill less to win it all and trey to make it up in endorsements? I mean how much money is enough in today's world?

Greed truly does rule this world...

SMH.....


I'M not a greedy person, so I guess i'm able to see my points better than most.
 
Will a 34 year old Dame be worth 34%(or whatever it is) of the salary cap? I don’t know but worst case he’s a huge expiring that year I guess.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Its called taking a chance.

And for the record,m its great planning by the organization.

How come you havent address what some have said that Dame can make the balance up in endorsement when the team wins it all and plays better due to a better supporting cast?

Of course its ALL assumptions.

You speak as a man on a 50K a year salary. If you have 100 Mill in the bank, With another 150 mill coming, you wouldn't then take 50 mill less to win it all and trey to make it up in endorsements? I mean how much money is enough in today's world?

Greed truly does rule this world...

SMH.....


I'M not a greedy person, so I guess i'm able to see my points better than most.
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The level of smugness in this post is startling.

Especially from someone who has still yet to give one valid and non-presumptive reason as to why Dame should take less than what he has earned. I'm a fairly left-leaning person both when it comes to social stuff as well as the financial, but this is just a new level. Not sure how to respond.
 
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