Lillard expected to sign a 4 year Super-Max extension in Portland

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Minstrel said:
Nah, it was more like watching Clyde Drexler being overshadowed by Michael Jordan. It didn't mean Drexler wasn't a star or worth being paid--he just wasn't Jordan.
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Drexler was at least competitive in his personal match-up.
 
Since all these super star guys make 100s of millions, then what he gets is par. portlandupdates_zpsce487c9c.jpg Perhaps the team will need to change its name, expand it's market base and be the Northwest Blazers.
 
dviss1 said:
Dog... That's not close to Dame's situation. Dame won't have to play more minutes... We're not asking him to do anything that is unfair either.

You didn't take that raise because fuck working 50 hours a week. Fuck that RIGHT off. Frankly, people should be working around 30 hours a week.
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Will u be my boss? I work 50 minimum every week and have for 15 years.
 
It will all work out at the end. We don't know what will go on with CJ when his time is up for new extension or a new contract maybe he will test the free agent market and maybe Simons become a taller Cj who know i am not going fret about it now.
 
dviss1 said:
Hell I can delegate responsibility to them.. Like a BOSS.

LOL.

Yeah, I know what you mean. Between my job and refereeing, I'm at around 50+ per depending on the time of year.
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My bosses don't do much physical work but they are there from before 7am until at least 6pm every day.

I don't want to work that much or I'd go for one of those jobs. It really bothers me that they are there that much. There really isn't a reason. Between the shop manager and the production manager they should be able to cover the hours without them both being there all the time.
 
e_blazer said:
One thing that I would like to see the league and Players' Association change in the the next CBA is not having the extra money of the supermax contracts count against team salary. If the purpose of the supermax is to help small market franchises retain their best players, there should be a recognition that big market teams are already at a major advantage in attracting free agents. Small market teams shouldn't be penalized further in their ability to have money available for free agents due to having to overpay for their stars.
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I have often argued for a max salary to always be the exact portion of the salary cap no matter when it was signed. Guys like Kawhi Leonard only make $23 million on his max deal while his teammate Kyle Lowry makes $31 million. All max players and all super max players should be making the same amount. It would help prevent non-stars from getting max contracts.
 
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handiman said:
Didn't Duncan and Dirk take less money to help with roster flexibility? Like with the NFL examples, it's usually guys late in their careers doing that sort of thing. I've gotta think it's pretty rare for someone in their prime like Dame.

It's a weird, slippery slope for both the team and player here, with loyalty being a huge talking point for both sides, but greed being an underlying storyline when someone is already compensated extremely well but wanting as much as possible. They have to play it perfectly and hope for good roster management down the road, otherwise it blows up in both sides' faces.
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Duncan and Dirk were at the end of their careers when they did it, not heading into their prime.
 
oldmangrouch said:
Why? If a guy like Tom Brady can leave money on the table to help his team build a better roster, why do we hold NBA players to a different standard?
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The Tom Brady thing is such a misconception. He actually still made top money, he just allowed the Patriots to keep deferring payments down the road. They are going to have dead cap money for years after he retires. You can't set up your contracts like that in the NBA.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Really? Look at the NFL and their QBs. Except for a select few, it's virtually impossible to put a supporting cast around a QB off of his rookie contract.
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Well Olshey has 2 off seasons to set it up so that his supporting cast is better before the contract takes place. If the team isn't better heading into the 2020 season then it really doesn't matter what Dame is making.
 
Run Down Man said:
This is a baseless statement. Judging a players desire to win based on your opinion of what they are worth.

From what I have seen, Lillard's desire to win is off the charts.
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Yeah maybe not the best choice of words. How about if he wants a better chance at winning....
 
Orion Bailey said:
How much did we pay for Kanter this year?

I rest my case. It will make some difference...
Anyhow, just agree to disagree.

I think if he takes less, combined with the changing roster and salaries, I think it helps. you dont. Ok
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The Blazers will have things like the MLE and minimum contracts that will be there no matter what Dame makes.

I just keep thinking of it like this: If the Blazers plan is to maximize cap space in the summer of 2021 then we are fucked and might as well trade Dame and CJ and Nurk right now. We need to make moves between now and then so that our roster is already in contention heading into that season. Dame's extension has zero effect on this off season or next off season.

Has anyone considered the fact that having Dame locked up for 5-6 years might in fact help Portland attract free agents this summer and next summer? Any potential signee wouldn't have to worry about signing here and having Dame bounce in 2021. It might also be the difference between guys like Kanter and Hood wanting to stick around too.
 
BoBoBREWSKI said:
I wish he'd sign for less $$ so we can afford better players to surround him with. But I dont blame him for taking the super max. He's earned it.
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Agree with the first part, therefore i'd blame him for taking the deal...I think to qualify for a supermax you should at least have a league MVP or won a championship... or both
 
hoopsjock said:
Duncan and Dirk were at the end of their careers when they did it, not heading into their prime.
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That's why I said: "Didn't Duncan and Dirk take less money to help with roster flexibility? Like with the NFL examples, it's usually guys late in their careers doing that sort of thing. I've gotta think it's pretty rare for someone in their prime like Dame."

Has anyone considered the fact that having Dame locked up for 5-6 years might in fact help Portland attract free agents this summer and next summer? Any potential signee wouldn't have to worry about signing here and having Dame bounce in 2021.
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Doubtful. Dame still has to shake his reputation of being easy to stop in the playoffs. Free agents aren't coming here on the cheap for regular season success, and we'll never be able to attract any difference makers if we keep handing out dumb contracts like it's a gumball machine, no matter how much they might want to play with him.
 
handiman said:
Doubtful. Dame still has to shake his reputation of being easy to stop in the playoffs. Free agents aren't coming here on the cheap for regular season success, and we'll never be able to attract any difference makers if we keep handing out dumb contracts like it's a gumball machine, no matter how much they might want to play with him.
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Completely disagree. Despite being "easy to stop" they still made the WCF. You tell free agents that they would be even better if they had them to take the pressure off.
 
hoopsjock said:
The Blazers will have things like the MLE and minimum contracts that will be there no matter what Dame makes.

I just keep thinking of it like this: If the Blazers plan is to maximize cap space in the summer of 2021 then we are fucked and might as well trade Dame and CJ and Nurk right now. We need to make moves between now and then so that our roster is already in contention heading into that season. Dame's extension has zero effect on this off season or next off season.

Has anyone considered the fact that having Dame locked up for 5-6 years might in fact help Portland attract free agents this summer and next summer? Any potential signee wouldn't have to worry about signing here and having Dame bounce in 2021. It might also be the difference between guys like Kanter and Hood wanting to stick around too.
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Portland doesn't have rookie scale deals on their best players anymore. That's about the only way a team can be competitive AND have some cap-space

Blazers are going to have late first round picks so the draft route for adding good talent is likely blocked. They may have a little cap-space in July 2020. Sandwiched around 2020 will be two off-seasons when they have exceptions. What Portland can not do is what they did in 2016, and that's saddle their roster with heavily negative contracts that completely throttled flexibility

they need to use the next two off-season to add positive value trade-worthy contracts. No Turner at 18M/year or Meyers at 10M/year. ED Davis or Rodney Hood at 6M/year type deals, and for love of gawd, no more 4 year contracts. Add 3 or 4 of those type of contracts and Portland would have some leverage in trades for higher level players. They've had almost no leverage since 2016
 
hoopsjock said:
Completely disagree. Despite being "easy to stop" they still made the WCF. You tell free agents that they would be even better if they had them to take the pressure off.
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OKC is the only team we've played since Houston that thought it's wise to play Dame straight up. I even said after that series that the real test begins, because the only thing it proved is that's not the way to play him. Denver, even with their two best players being lousy defenders, trapped him and he had to be carried by CJ. Golden State trapped him harder and he was even worse.

The problem with your theory is, the same free agents you're trying to attract are the ones that know Dame's weakness., and are responsible for exploiting it. That's a tough recruiting angle to pull off.
 
handiman said:
OKC is the only team we've played since Houston that thought it's wise to play Dame straight up. I even said after that series that the real test begins, because the only thing it proved is that's not the way to play him. Denver, even with their two best players being lousy defenders, trapped him and he had to be carried by CJ. Golden State trapped him harder and he was even worse.

The problem with your theory is, the same free agents you're trying to attract are the ones that know Dame's weakness., and are responsible for exploiting it. That's a tough recruiting angle to pull off.
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Aminu & Harkless's man sitting in the lane while the big traps Lillard in a P&R is somehow Lillard's weakness?
It clearly has nothing to do with the screen setter not moving to the open space or Aminu & Harkless not being consistent on the offensive end.
Also has nothing to do with Terry Stotts.
Clearly this is Lillard's weakness and why he can't figure out how to score on 4 guys shows exactly why he's overrated.
 
handiman said:
OKC is the only team we've played since Houston that thought it's wise to play Dame straight up. I even said after that series that the real test begins, because the only thing it proved is that's not the way to play him. Denver, even with their two best players being lousy defenders, trapped him and he had to be carried by CJ. Golden State trapped him harder and he was even worse.

The problem with your theory is, the same free agents you're trying to attract are the ones that know Dame's weakness., and are responsible for exploiting it. That's a tough recruiting angle to pull off.
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What? The thing you are saying is why free agents would come here. If it's someone who can alleviate Dame getting trapped. Unless that free agent is an insecure weakling in that case, why would we want that player?
 
To both of the above replies... Your missing the point. It's not about personnel, it's about Dame not knowing how to handle the trap. Sure, better teammates will alleviate that, but he's still going to be susceptible to it in crunch time. After five years, you'd think he wouldn't still be alarmingly bad at it... How many above average players want to go to a team that: a) is in a city they don't care for, b) has no money to spend on them, and c) is led by a player who disappears in the playoffs?
 
hoopsjock said:
Duncan and Dirk were at the end of their careers when they did it, not heading into their prime.
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Dame will be exiting his prime when the extension kicks in. Jus' sayin'.
 
H.C. said:
Aminu & Harkless's man sitting in the lane while the big traps Lillard in a P&R is somehow Lillard's weakness?
It clearly has nothing to do with the screen setter not moving to the open space or Aminu & Harkless not being consistent on the offensive end.
Also has nothing to do with Terry Stotts.
Clearly this is Lillard's weakness and why he can't figure out how to score on 4 guys shows exactly why he's overrated.
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Good thing we're getting a new coa - DAMMIT!
 
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