Lillard fighting the good fight alone?

[Rastapopoulos]

Catfight!

 

[RoseCityRebel]

Nick Nurse was AMAZING in the 2019 playoffs, thats all matters

Why, it’s almost as if they rented an All-NBA player for a year in the joke of the East and then got to play a Warriors team with no Keven Durant in the Finals.

It was a fluke title and the real Nick Nurse is what we see now.

LeBron was injured and the Lakers didn’t make the playoffs.

 

[RoseCityRebel]

I would almost complain the lack of stability and consistency has been a bigger issue this year than an inability to try new things.

It seems like he’s trying trying to find a set rotation the works. A bold move would be to start Simons at the 2 and bring CJ off the bench but that will never happen. If the plan is to trade CJ, though, may as well throw Ant next to Dame and see if they jibe.

 

[RoseCityRebel]

I'm open to a list of guys who have left Portland since 2012 to later become all-stars. What names do you got?

From my observation, the JAGs (Just a guy) who play for Stotts tends to have their best seasons in Portland. Will Barton is an exception but he’s just a role player on a very good team.

Am I missing someone?

Hassan Whiteside went from a double-double machine for Stotts on a playoff team to fringe rotation player for the loser Kings in less than 6 months.

 

[Tince]

Nick Nurse currently has coached the Raptors out of the playoffs and is “developing” Gary Trent Jr. so well he’s regressed to a 36% 3pt shooter in Toronto. Amazing what losing a Kahwi Leonard does for a coaching genius, isn’t it?

Let me know if I have this correct:

When Nurse had two all-stars, including an all-nba 2 way player, he was a great coach?

After losing his all-nba player, his teams have continued to decline?

Not too shocking is it?

 

[Tince]

From my observation, the JAGs (Just a guy) who play for Stotts tends to have their best seasons in Portland. Will Barton is an exception but he’s just a role player on a very good team.

Am I missing someone?

Hassan Whiteside went from a double-double machine for Stotts on a playoff team to out of the rotation for the Kings in less than 6 months.

I've kinda looked into this and there are examples on both sides. There certainly isn't any strong data that points to a trend of players leaving Portland and blossoming; even with a bunch of players in their early 20's who you'd expect to see a natural improvement.

 

[Scalma]

I'm open to a list of guys who have left Portland since 2012 to later become all-stars. What names do you got?

so it’s only a fail if they become all stars elsewhere? Pretty much everyone that Olshey has drafted has at minimum become a rotation player in the NBA.

Last year Stotts was playing Anthony Tolliver and Mario Hezonja over the younger players on the roster. One of them is now clinging on to ten day contracts while the other is out of the league.

Actually the list of younger players Stotts hasn’t dicked in and out of the rotation at a crucial time in their development is shorter than the ones he has. We’re seeing it again this season with Nas, and everyone saw it coming.

 

[Tince]

so it’s only a fail if they become all stars elsewhere? Pretty much everyone that Olshey has drafted has at minimum become a rotation player in the NBA.

Last year Stotts was playing Anthony Tolliver and Mario Hezonja over the younger players on the roster. One of them is now clinging on to ten day contracts while the other is out of the league.

Actually the list of younger players Stotts hasn’t dicked in and out of the rotation at a crucial time in their development is shorter than the ones he has.

Well if your theory is that Stotts is holding back all these players from being great, I would expect there to be a pretty lengthy list of players who blew up after leaving Portland. I haven't seen that list. Yes there have been players who have left and had better years elsewhere. Yes there have been players who have had better years prior to coming to Portland. There also have been players who came in and had career years. Nothing sticks out as abnormal to me.

Olshey is fine at obtaining rotation players, I've never knocked him on that. If you could build a contending team with a 6'2" all-star and rotation players, we'd be golden. Sadly, that combination hasn't won a title in decades.

The Gasol, Tolliber, Hezonja, Baze, and Whiteside additons last year was unimpressive. Stotts playing them was also unimpressive.

 

[RoseCityRebel]

Let me know if I have this correct:

When Nurse had two all-stars, including an all-nba 2 way player, he was a great coach?

After losing his all-nba player, his teams have continued to decline?

Not too shocking is it?

NBA coaching legend currently has multiple time All-Stars and Olympic players Steph Curry and Draymond Green and they are fighting to make the play-in games with Curry arguably playing the best basketball of his career.

Coaching is overrated. Talent wins in spite of bad coaching at times. Not saying Kerr is a bad coach, it just that even the best chefs in the world can’t turn chicken shit into chicken parmigiana. The better the ingredients, the easier it becomes.

 

[RoseCityRebel]

Let me know if I have this correct:

When Nurse had two all-stars, including an all-nba 2 way player, he was a great coach?

After losing his all-nba player, his teams have continued to decline?

Not too shocking is it?

NBA coaching legend currently has multiple time All-Stars and Olympic players Steph Curry and Draymond Green and they are fighting to make the play-in games with Curry arguably playing the best basketball of his career.

Coaching is overrated. Talent wins in spite of bad coaching at times. Not saying Kerr is a bad coach, it just that even the best chefs in the world can’t turn chicken shit into chicken parmigiana. The better the ingredients, the easier it becomes.

 

[blazerkor]

I mostly disagree with the Olshey bashing. We have the personnel to be a top 10 defense, and yet we have one of the worst defenses in the history of the league. That's not on Olshey, that's on the coach.

The problem is that Stotts is an Olshey thing. The buck stops with Olshey. He is the president of basketball operations so the coaching staff is his responsibility. Olshey has been spinning Stotts as a championship coach and the roster as a championship roster, neither are. Stotts should be obvious but so should the Dame/CJ pairing.

 

[twobullz]

CJ is a good player, but he is not a star. He comes into the argument of best shooting guards after #7. That is not a star. I would say the Blazers need another top 5 player at their position, not sure who it is, but they are not on the Blazers at this time.

 

[Scalma]

CJ is a good player, but he is not a star. He comes into the argument of best shooting guards after #7. That is not a star. I would say the Blazers need another top 5 player at their position, not sure who it is, but they are not on the Blazers at this time.

right, so back to my original question. Who is this player and how do we get them?

 

[Tince]

 

[RoseCityRebel]

CJ is a good player, but he is not a star. He comes into the argument of best shooting guards after #7. That is not a star. I would say the Blazers need another top 5 player at their position, not sure who it is, but they are not on the Blazers at this time.

Hot take time. CJ could score 30ppg on a bad team if he was asked to like a Bradley Beal is in DC. Put Westbrook with him and CJ averages that IMO.

 

[Tince]

right, so back to my original question. Who is this player and how do we get them?

https://www.nba.com/2021-all-star-roster

1. Draft them when they're available.
2. Acquire enough good players on team friendly deals to trade for an all-star.

If CJ were making less money, we could use him to get an all-star. Instead, he's being paid like an all-star and therefore has a lower value around the league than his skill set.

 

[Scalma]

the nuggets, suns, and Jazz have been to the same amount of conference finals in the past five years combined as the blazers.

 

[Mr. Robot]

again.

What is the point of this article?

reasonable explanation would be that the goal is to force organization to make big changes (fire gm, head coach, shake up the roster)

like i said, haynes and dame are close and theres a chance dame knew about the article and allowed it to be published... if it was someone else, then who knows, but haynes, that smells like collaboration

 

[blazerkor]

Wholeheartedly agree with Quick

I would agree too if he is legitimately asking "What is CJ?" RoCo wasn't a bad get maybe an overpay but not a bad deal. Norm was a bad deal because of CJ and due to the fact that he can just walk at the end of the season.

The important thing is to address the question. CJ is redundant with Dame in Terry Stotts' offense while at the same time being one half of the worst defensive starting back court in the league. Remember that Stotts is Olshey's guy so how he uses these pieces is on Olshey. Even if Olshey's hands were tied in regards to Stotts (which I doubt) Olshey is still putting pieces together that he should know won't work. I do not see CJ ever being complementary to Dame under any coach, I definitely never see that back court being the 70 million dollar cornerstone of a championship team and that is what CJ is, he is a horrendous fit next to Dame.

 

[twobullz]

Hot take time. CJ could score 30ppg on a bad team if he was asked to like a Bradley Beal is in DC. Put Westbrook with him and CJ averages that IMO.

Beal is taking 22.8 2 pt shots per game at 48.8% and 6.3 3 pt per game at 35%
CJ is taking 19.1 2 pt shots at 45.5 and 9.4 3 pt shots at 39.6.

Beal is taking 29.1 shots per game and CJ is taking 28.5 shots per Game. Beal is averaging a half shot more per game than CJ, but Beal is averaging 8 points more per game and is the focus of the other teams defense more than CJ is. Please tell me how CJ is going to average 8 more points on a bad team than the blazers on .5 more shots per game.

 

[twobullz]

right, so back to my original question. Who is this player and how do we get them?

I don't know. I am not a NBA GM. I have no idea who is available. I was just responding to the quick comment about " what about CJ" .

 

[RoseCityRebel]

Beal is taking 22.8 2 pt shots per game at 48.8% and 6.3 3 pt per game at 35%
CJ is taking 19.1 2 pt shots at 45.5 and 9.4 3 pt shots at 39.6.

Beal is taking 29.1 shots per game and CJ is taking 28.5 shots per Game. Beal is averaging a half shot more per game than CJ, but Beal is averaging 8 points more per game and is the focus of the other teams defense more than CJ is. Please tell me how CJ is going to average 8 more points on a bad team than the blazers on .5 more shots per game.

Beal plays on a garbage team and has Westbrook averaging a triple-double beside him. We’ve seen CJ when Dame is out and he averages almost 30ppg in those games. Put CJ on the ball and have him drive more and he gets to the FT line more often.

CJ games with Dame out...

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/ho...er-when-damiam-lillard-was-out-with-game-logs

 

[Tince]

the nuggets, suns, and Jazz have been to the same amount of conference finals in the past five years combined as the blazers.

Very true. Under Stotts and Olshey got rid of half the roster that next summer. Added Whiteside, Gasol, Mario, Bazemore, Tolliver, Mario... yikes.

 

[RoseCityRebel]

Add this year’s few games and CJ is near 30ppg.

 

[GrandpaBlaze]

CJ is good but is only a “star” when stretching the definition.

However, assume CJ is a star, what Portland needs is a complementary star rather than a cannibalistic star who style, strengths and weaknesses so completely overlap with Dame that is weakens both their games.

I don’t necessarily believe we need to trade CJ for an all-star, just a strong complementary team player.

 

[Scalma]

I don't know. I am not a NBA GM. I have no idea who is available. I was just responding to the quick comment about " what about CJ" .

this is my issue with the trade CJ crowd. Rarely ever followed up with any specific/realistic ideas. I’m ok with trading him, but I’m not trading him just to trade him. And it shouldn’t be hard to identify a target btw, rosters aren’t that big and only so many guys make comparable money.

 

[TBpup]

I believe 16 of those guys were either drafted after one of our picks or has been traded to another team since 2012. Not 1 or 2... 16!

If we don't have the assests to land them, who's fault is that? The guy in charge of obtaining assets.

@Tince ....that may be your best post ever.

As for the "who was available?", it seems like Anthony Davis, Jimmy Butler, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, James Harden, Jrue Holiday, etc have all been available in just the last couple of years.

....but then again, if you won't give up CJ or Ant, even for starters, it's tough to make a deal.

 

[Scalma]

You know it’s all fucked when fentress is making points.

 

[twobullz]

this is my issue with the trade CJ crowd. Rarely ever followed up with any specific/realistic ideas. I’m ok with trading him, but I’m not trading him just to trade him. And it shouldn’t be hard to identify a target btw, rosters aren’t that big and only so many guys make comparable money.

You might want to go back and read my original post. I never mentioned anything about trading CJ. I responded to the quick post. I pointed out CJ is not a star, a good player but not a star. You are the one who responded and mentioned anything about trading CJ> I just said the Blazers needed a second player who is top 5 at what ever position they played. I am not a GM, just like you are. I am not going to spend tons of time researching to see who makes the same salary as each blazers and figure out trades that are neve going to happen. I don't get paid nearly enough by the Blazers, where my salary is 0.00 by them top work out trades, plus I don't have numbers to any of the other GM's.

 

[Haakzilla]

You know it’s all fucked when fentress is making points.

...is that Olshey's fluffer?