Lillard - Rookie of the Month (confirmed)

[BoBoBREWSKI]

The first Rookie of the Month award for the 2012-13 season will be announced today or tomorrow. Hmmmm, I wonder who will win?!?!? How awesome would it be if he wins it EVERY month!

 

[HailBlazers]

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ROY


Once again we can say, it's a great day to be a Blazer!

 

[Mediocre Man]

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The first Rookie of the Month award for the 2012-13 season will be announced today or tomorrow. Hmmmm, I wonder who will win?!?!? How awesome would it be if he wins it EVERY month!

Who else could it be?

 

[THE HCP]

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I give it to Austin Rivers or Kendall Marshall!

 

[Boob-No-More]

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Lillard will win Western Conference ROM by a landslide. It would have been an interesting race, if Anthony Davis had played more, but he only played 5 games to Lillard's 15.

Eastern Conference ROM will most likely go to Dion Waiters due to his 15.3 ppg scoring average for the month. But, that's the problem with ROM and ROY voting, most voters don't look much beyond scoring average. Waiters is a very inefficient, low percentage, volume scorer. He had a horrible FG% of .369 and jacked up 16.8 FGA/36 during November. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist deserves to win, but his 10.9 ppg scoring average won't get the attention of most voters. Even Toronto's Jonas Valanciunas is more deserving than Waiters. In spite of being second in MPG (32.1) to only Lillard, Waiters EFF was a rather ordinary 10.1 for November - 9th among rookies for the month, and his team went 3-12 during November. I'm not impressed.

Here's a comparison of Waiters, Kidd-Gilchrist and Valanciunas for November:

Dion Waiters: 32.1 mpg, 15.3 ppg, 0.369 FG%, 2.1 rpg, 3.3 apg, 1.1 stl, 0.2 blk, EFF = 10.1

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist: 27.3 mpg, 10.9 ppg, 0.455 FG%, 6.5 rpg, 1.5 apg, 1.2 stl, 1.3 blk, EFF = 14.3

Jonas Valanciunas: 24.1 mpg, 9.0 ppg, 0.528 FG%, 5.5 rpg, 1.4 apg, 0.2 stl, 1.2 blk, EFF = 12.1

If I was voting, I'd vote for Lillard for Western Conference ROM and Kidd-Gilchrist for Eastern Conference ROM.

BNM

 

[blazerboy30]

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I give it to Austin Rivers or Kendall Marshall!

That's because your hoops knowledge is at the same level as your game-thread-making skillz.

 

[Mediocre Man]

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I would vote for anyone other than The Soup Juggler

 

[Boob-No-More]

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I give it to Austin Rivers or Kendall Marshall!

Well, Kendall Marshall would be a perfect fit on our bench. Perfect in that he'd suck ass as bad as our other rookie bench players. For November:

Will Barton: EFF = 1.8
Joel Freeland: EFF = 1.0
Kendall Marshall: EFF = 0.7
Victor Claver: EFF = 0.5

But, he'd be a horrible match for the two guys we drafted ahead of him:

Damian Lillard: EFF = 16.2
Meyers Leonard: EFF = 8.4

BNM

 

[B-Roy]

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Well, Kendall Marshall would be a perfect fit on our bench. Perfect in that he'd suck ass as bad as our other rookie bench players. For November:

Will Barton: EFF = 1.8
Joel Freeland: EFF = 1.0
Kendall Marshall: EFF = 0.7
Victor Claver: EFF = 0.5

But, he'd be a horrible match for the two guys we drafted ahead of him:

Damian Lillard: EFF = 16.2
Meyers Leonard: EFF = 8.4

BNM

Really not sure why you're comparing stats for guys that aren't even in the rotation.

 

[magnifier661]

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Really not sure why you're comparing stats for guys that aren't even in the rotation.

I think he was explaining that Marshall would be a good bench player; but we picked well because we picked two players that are kicking the shit out of his efficiency.

 

[THE HCP]

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Thanks for putting up those #'s for the East guys........ can you put up like the top 10 guys like Barnes and Drummond, including Lillard, so we can compare them. I know Dame is going to win, I just want to see his numbers compared to the others.

 

[Boob-No-More]

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I think he was explaining that Marshall would be a good bench player; but we picked well because we picked two players that are kicking the shit out of his efficiency.

What he said. I'm just giving HCP shit because he wanted to draft Rivers and Marshall over Lillard and Leonard.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

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Thanks for putting up those #'s for the East guys........ can you put up like the top 10 guys like Barnes and Drummond, including Lillard, so we can compare them. I know Dame is going to win, I just want to see his numbers compared to the others.

Here's a link to all rookies ranked by EFF for the month of November.

Anthony Davis was 1st at EFF = 19.2, but only played in 5 games.

Lillard was second at EFF = 16.2

Drummond was 5th at EFF = 10.7

Barnes was 7th at EFF = 10.4

Myers Leonard was 11th at EFF = 8.4

Rivers was 19th at EFF = 6.7

Those are the numbers for November. Here's the link for the season to date.

BNM

 

[magnifier661]

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Here's a link to all rookies ranked by EFF for the month of November.

Anthony Davis was 1st at EFF = 19.2, but only played in 5 games.

Lillard was second at EFF = 16.2

Drummond was 5th at EFF = 10.7

Barnes was 7th at EFF = 10.4

Myers Leonard was 11th at EFF = 8.4

Rivers was 19th at EFF = 6.7

Those are the numbers for November. Here's the link for the season to date.

BNM

That's a great sign because there was such question about Drummond not transitioning to the NBA. I'm happy he's coming in and doing well so far.

 

[Boob-No-More]

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BTW, I think it's interesting that Meyers Leonard has hovered right around 11th in rookie EFF all season. He's moved around a little between 9th and 12th, but he's always right around 11th. I'm quite happy with that. The guy was viewed as VERY raw (he is) an a long term project. He was drafted more for potential than immediate production. But, he's already justifying his draft position as the 11th most productive rookie of his draft class.

Of course, time will tell if he was really worth the 11th pick, but so far, I'm happy with his production at the position where he was drafted. Sure, he's wildly inconsistent and makes a ton of rookie mistakes, but the long term potential is still there and he's already making some positive contributions.

BNM

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

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Mike Rice was visibly ill at the mention of Drummond's name during pre-draft workouts.

Fez's talent evaluation >>>> Rice's!

 

[THE HCP]

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What he said. I'm just giving HCP shit because he wanted to draft Rivers and Marshall over Lillard and Leonard.

BNM

Officially I believe I wanted Barnes and Lamb/T. Jones

When we took Dame, I couldn't argue with the pick though.

 

[Boob-No-More]

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That's a great sign because there was such question about Drummond not transitioning to the NBA. I'm happy he's coming in and doing well so far.

BTW, Drummond is 2nd in rookie Win Shares at 1.1, trailing only Lillard at 1.5. Meyers Leonard is 7th at 0.7 WS.

BTW, Austin Rivers is dead last, 60th out of the 60th players drafted at -0.5 WS. That's NEGATIVE 0.5 WS. He trails the guys who didn't even make an NBA roster (WS = 0.0).

BNM

 

[Boise Blazer]

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Is there a difference between EFF and PER?

 

[THE HCP]

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Is there a difference between EFF and PER?

That's like asking if there is a difference between downtown Portland and downtown Boise!

 

[Boise Blazer]

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That's like asking if there is a difference between downtown Portland and downtown Boise!

You mean besides the homeless population?

Yes, I answered my own question:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficiency_(basketball)

 

[Boob-No-More]

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Officially I believe I wanted Barnes and Lamb/T. Jones

When we took Dame, I couldn't argue with the pick though.

Well, you're not exactly helping your case. Jeremy Lamb is currently 49th among rookies at EFF = 1.1. Terrence Jones is 29th at EFF = 4.1. To date, Will Barton (EFF = 2.2) and Meyers Leonard (EFF = 7.9) have been almost twice as productive as Lamb and Jones. And, then we also have the Lillard guy who is doing pretty well, too.

BNM

 

[THE HCP]

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Well, you're not exactly helping your case. Jeremy Lamb is currently 49th among rookies at EFF = 1.1. Terrence Jones is 29th at EFF = 4.1. To date, Will Barton (EFF = 2.2) and Meyers Leonard (EFF = 7.9) have been almost twice as productive as Lamb and Jones. And, then we also have the Lillard guy who is doing pretty well, too.

BNM

I didn't say I was right FAMS...... just wanted to let you know who I really wanted.

 

[Boob-No-More]

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Is there a difference between EFF and PER?

Yes, EFF is a simple raw good minus bad calculation. PER is adjusted for minutes played and pace. When comparing rookies, I definitely prefer EFF as it accurately reflects actual production. If you use PER, some guy who scores a couple meaningless baskets during garbage time once a week can have a higher PER than someone like Lillard who is starting, playing big minutes every night, and making a solid contribution to his team's success.

For example, if you sort the current rookie class by PER, 6 of the top 10 have played 62 minutes or less. The top two are Diante Garrett and Scott Mchado at PER = 42.1. They've played a combined 8 minutes all season and scored a combined total of 4 points.

So, for comparing rookies, I'll go with actual production over minute adjusted, pace adjusted garbage time stat padders any day.

PER is more sophisticated, but it's best used for comparing players of similar roles.

BNM

 

[KeepOnRollin]

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I didn't say I was right FAMS...... just wanted to let you know who I really wanted.

What does FAMS stand for? If I can guess from its use then it seems to be a cuss word.

 

[magnifier661]

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What does FAMS stand for? If I can guess from its use then it seems to be a cuss word.

Family as in this "forum family"

 

[Boise Blazer]

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Yes, EFF is a simple raw good minus bad calculation. PER is adjusted for minutes played and pace. When comparing rookies, I definitely prefer EFF as it accurately reflects actual production. If you use PER, some guy who scores a couple meaningless baskets during garbage time once a week can have a higher PER than someone like Lillard who is starting, playing big minutes every night, and making a solid contribution to his team's success.

For example, if you sort the current rookie class by PER, 6 of the top 10 have played 62 minutes or less. The top two are Diante Garrett and Scott Mchado at PER = 42.1. They've played a combined 8 minutes all season and scored a combined total of 4 points.

So, for comparing rookies, I'll go with actual production over minute adjusted, pace adjusted garbage time stat padders any day.

PER is more sophisticated, but it's best used for comparing players of similar roles.

BNM

Damn, well done. Repped

 

[KeepOnRollin]

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Family as in this "forum family"

Oh, ok, thanks. I was wrong but I guess you could consider some family members cuss words.

 

[THE HCP]

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Family as in this "forum family"

Your street cred just went up 3 1/2 points!

 

[THE HCP]

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Oh, ok, thanks. I was wrong but I guess you could consider some family members cuss words.

It was at the epicenter of the greatest thread ever in S2 history!