Rumor Lillard to recruit Jimmy Butler?

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e_blazer said:
I wonder if they discussed buying unicorns as well as attracting a high priced free agent to play for a Blazers team with zero cap space.
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Pretty sure SAS was trying to get Lillard to discuss cheese doodles,
 
GhostOfPGA said:
I rather have a PF, there’s only one ball... having 3 guards like that would basically become ISO-fest, or someone is gonna get the short end of the stick and feelings will be had.
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Jimmy Butler averages 4 assists per.

He's not a ball stopper nor is he a chucker (13.9 shots per).

We'd be fine.

Unless we're getting AD I'm fine with Zach at PF.
 
dviss1 said:
Jimmy Butler averages 4 assists per.

He's not a ball stopper nor is he a chucker (13.9 shots per).

We'd be fine.

Unless we're getting AD I'm fine with Zach at PF.
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Just my opinion but Butlers already getting up there in years, he’s gonna want money + a lot of years, I don't think Id be willing to do that (obviously not my choice!).
 
Scalma said:
What’s the max on jimmy, I’m too lazy to browse this thread. Around $30M? Theoretically speaking, would Moe, Evan, and Simons work financially in a sign and trade?
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Assuming the $109 million cap, he is in the 7-9 years of service range which is 30% of the cap. So his 1st year starting salary is $32.7 million if he gets the max. He turns 30 before next season starts, in case anyone wanted that information too.
 
yuyuza1 said:
I actually wouldn't mind Butler. A super physical athlete who isn't afraid of the moment is exactly what we need. I think Dame can handle him potentially becoming a distraction.

But this isn't really possible given our lack of any assets or space.
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Butler would be a great piece for this team. No question about it. 6'8, handles the rock, shoots the three at a 34 percent career clip. 83 from the line with 5 boards and 3.5 dimes per game. Turns 30 in September and has four to five really good years left. This Portland team could be just what the doc ordered for him as well. I think we find a way to keep Kanter.
 
CupWizier said:
Why I am interested in Jaylen Brown over Jimmy Butler. I chose the 3rd season for each of them for comparison. In addition Brown can be acquired in a straight trade where as Butler is looking for a max contract and it would require a near impossible sign and trade. Numbers are amazingly similar and also very similar in size. Brown also doesn't require the ball to be in his hands as much as Butler as well. Discuss?


https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Jaylen Brown&player_id1_select=Jaylen Brown&y1=2019&player_id1=brownja02&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Jimmy Butler&player_id2_select=Jimmy Butler&y2=2014&player_id2=butleji01&idx=players
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I prefer your plan
 
I was actually thinking Gordon Hayward. I think we could turn his career back around.
 
Simons is the future. I wouldn't include him in a trade for Butler. No way. Find someone else.

There have to be much cheaper ways to improve the position without adding a max contract headache possible chemistry killer 30-something like Butler. Not worth the risk.
 
"per Stephen A Smith" in other words it's just the latest shit he pulled out of his ass.
 
Trading with teams like Philly and Boston makes no sense this summer. Both of those teams have thoughts of contending for a title next year. They don't want guys like Simons and Trent or more draft picks that aren't even that good. Boston already has 3 1st round picks and that could be 4 if Memphis falls one spot in the lottery tonight. Neither of those teams would want to take on expiring contracts to give up a good player either. Those type of moves are for rebuilding teams.

So if you want guys like Butler, Hayward, or Brown you need to come up with a team that can give them something that actually helps them next year.
 
dviss1 said:
That guy has NEVER been able to play defense... And that sorry contract.

No. Thanks.
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Hayward is actually about as average of a defender as you can find. Not good but not a liability either.
 
Maybe Philly wants Turner back
 
hoopsjock said:
Trading with teams like Philly and Boston makes no sense this summer. Both of those teams have thoughts of contending for a title next year. They don't want guys like Simons and Trent or more draft picks that aren't even that good. Boston already has 3 1st round picks and that could be 4 if Memphis falls one spot in the lottery tonight. Neither of those teams would want to take on expiring contracts to give up a good player either. Those type of moves are for rebuilding teams.

So if you want guys like Butler, Hayward, or Brown you need to come up with a team that can give them something that actually helps them next year.
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That's one opinion, but none of us know what Philly and Boston are willing to do and what they want. There is always a possibility of of a 3rd team involved as well. Boston is heavy with wings and Brown will be coming up for a contract. In Boston, a lot will depend on what Irving does and how much that costs them if he re-signs. I have been watching NBA basketball since I was about 7 years old and what I have seen over the years, never say never as I have seen a lot of trades that make you scratch your head.
 
CupWizier said:
That's one opinion, but none of us know what Philly and Boston are willing to do and what they want. There is always a possibility of of a 3rd team involved as well. Boston is heavy with wings and Brown will be coming up for a contract. In Boston, a lot will depend on what Irving does and how much that costs them if he re-signs. I have been watching NBA basketball since I was about 7 years old and what I have seen over the years, never say never as I have seen a lot of trades that make you scratch your head.
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I've said the 3rd team thing in 4 different posts in this thread including the one you responded to so I don't get why you feel the need to let me know "there is always the possibility of a 3rd team involved."

As for what Boston and Philly will do, it's this thing called common sense.
 
hoopsjock said:
I've said the 3rd team thing in 4 different posts in this thread including the one you responded to so I don't get why you feel the need to let me know "there is always the possibility of a 3rd team involved."

As for what Boston and Philly will do, it's this thing called common sense.
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sometimes you should just let things go as your response about mentioning a 3 way was really unnecessary. Sometimes you need to learn not to nit pick so often. Common sense from a poster means nothing to me in a fan forum, but thanks for the opinion.
 
hoopsjock said:
Assuming the $109 million cap, he is in the 7-9 years of service range which is 30% of the cap. So his 1st year starting salary is $32.7 million if he gets the max. He turns 30 before next season starts, in case anyone wanted that information too.
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So is it theoretically possible?
 
Scalma said:
So is it theoretically possible?
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hoopsjock said:
1) Would require a sign-and trade.

2) There would be complications with the Blazers salary cap in order to pull off that sign-and-trade.

3) Even if said sign-and-trade was able to be figured out financially by the Blazers what the heck would Philly want back to make it worth it for them? The only player that would make sense from their perspective is possibly CJ. Dame's not going to recruit someone who would require trading CJ to get. Philly is trying to win a championship too. They aren't going to accept draft picks and expiring contracts for Butler when they could just let him walk and sign someone else with the cap space it would open up for them.

So even if Dame successfully recruited Butler to play here, the Blazers fixed their cap issues, and Philly was willing to entertain the idea then how would it work? I guess we'd have to find a 3rd team with a star that would actually be interested in expirings and picks.
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Theoretically, yes, but extremely difficult.
 
hoopsjock said:
Theoretically, yes, but extremely difficult.
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I think Butler could *theoretically** force his way to Portland. He could tell Philly listen I’m leaving, so you could either get something or get nothing. Idk, maybe not, just thinking out loud. I think I’m already drunk
 
Scalma said:
I think Butler could *theoretically** force his way to Portland. He could tell Philly listen I’m leaving, so you could either get something or get nothing. Idk, maybe not, just thinking out loud. I think I’m already drunk
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The problem is they'd have to take back equal salary so why would they want to take back our crap instead of just pursuing others in free agency with that cap space?
 
KSF-ERIC said:
I’d give up our picks for Butler and I bet Miami would do the deal.
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Let's wait and see where our picks land. I wouldn't give up the first and the eighth for Jimmy Buckets. I think at the price we'll get them for, that I like Jabari and Paolo a lot more than Jimmy, especially given the fact that we'd have a full career ahead of them and Jimmy is on the back half of his. So I wouldn't give them the first or second pick for him let alone one of those and the 8th-12th.

I would trade the Pelicans pick, Hart, Bledsoe and then trade the Grizz second rounder to the Bulls so we can take the conditions off of next year's pick we owe them and then throw in protected firsts in 2025 and maybe even 2027.

I guess if our pick is 7th and the Pelicans is 12th then I would consider trading those picks and the same two players for Butler. I would only do that if we could get the Pistons to take future firsts for Grant. Dame, Ant, Butler, Grant, Nurk, Nas is a pretty good start to an immediate championship rotation. If we can only upgrade to Jimmy with both picks and Hart then I think we're better off using the earlier pick on a prospect we like, getting Grant with the later pick and rolling with the earlier pick, Hart and Grant as apposed to just Jimmy in those pieces' stead.
 
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