Lillard: "Who is Canzano??"

[1honestfan]

So it's not Lillard that Canzano is complaining about it's how much the fans love Lillard that he doesn't like.

Oh, and Lillard is passive aggressive and he hurt little Johnny's feelings.

I get that blazer fans here don't like Canzano; I 100% get it. I have zero problem with what he wrote.

I don't by that Lillard didn't actually know who Canzano was as it's not a far fetched thought to believe that ALL NBA players read the local media, especially ones who are trying to build a brand like Lillard is. When Lillard posted that, he knew full we that it was going to get a reaction from Canzano. I love Lillard and he's progressing nicely but at least Canzano was man enough to walk up to him and introduce himself. I also have zero problem with Canzano writing that Lillard needs to improve his defense as that is a known issue. I also have zero problem with him pondering the intentions of the blazers retiring more numbers when the production on the court or success on the court hasn't warranted it. What Canzano wrote was fair but I get that certain fans HATE him and so they will not give ANY credit to Canzano's work. I believe that we are not all going to like the same people but I would think that you can still respect their work.

At the end of the day, only one thing counts and that is wins. JUST WIN BABY as winning cures all wounds.

 

[1honestfan]

You call Blazer sales promotion fluff. I call the articles which won him those awards fluff. I want "Just the facts, ma'am" sports articles.

With all due respect, I see the parallel you're trying to make here and I just don't think it fits.

So people who die, or get sick, or face adversity is fluff? A person who starts a non-profit to raise funds for schools activities is fluff?

Come'on man? Would you have known about those people unless Canzano had written about them? Did those articles bring have any benefits to those people that he wrote about?

I am not saying that Canzano is the worlds best person, a saint, or even someone you would want to hang out with but I just don't see the need for everyone to trash him but to each their own.

The Blazers are a business and they write fluff articles that are not accurate and are only designed to create more hype around the team to generate more money...... Sure, Canzano writes to make money for the Oregonian but I think that's where the comparing stops. just my opinion though.

 

[BBert]

1honestfan: I disagree with everything you wrote. No one dislikes Canzano just to dislike him. Multiple people have explained to you their disdain for Canzano's act, how it is disingenuous, and the reasons they "dislike him". Your writing shows that you either cannot or refuse to understand where those people are coming from. Neither of us are changing our view on the matter. Have a nice day.

 

[1honestfan]

1honestfan: I disagree with everything you wrote. No one dislikes Canzano just to dislike him. Multiple people have explained to you their disdain for Canzano's act, how it is disingenuous, and the reasons they "dislike him". Your writing shows that you either cannot or refuse to understand where those people are coming from. Neither of us are changing our view on the matter. Have a nice day.

I respect yours as well as others opinions. No worries, it's all good.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I get that blazer fans here don't like Canzano; I 100% get it. I have zero problem with what he wrote.

I don't by that Lillard didn't actually know who Canzano was as it's not a far fetched thought to believe that ALL NBA players read the local media, especially ones who are trying to build a brand like Lillard is. When Lillard posted that, he knew full we that it was going to get a reaction from Canzano. I love Lillard and he's progressing nicely but at least Canzano was man enough to walk up to him and introduce himself. I also have zero problem with Canzano writing that Lillard needs to improve his defense as that is a known issue. I also have zero problem with him pondering the intentions of the blazers retiring more numbers when the production on the court or success on the court hasn't warranted it. What Canzano wrote was fair but I get that certain fans HATE him and so they will not give ANY credit to Canzano's work. I believe that we are not all going to like the same people but I would think that you can still respect their work.

Canzano spent two days on the radio harping about Lillard and the fans who like Lillard. Many people where asking Lillard on twitter if he was hearing what Canzano was saying about him. That's why Lillard sent that tweet.

"Who is John canzano and why do ppl keep mentioning him to me"

Sorry to disappoint you but no, the majority of athletes don't obsess over every word spoken or written about them. Why would he know or care who John Canzano is? Even by Canzano's own admission today he is a columnist, not a reporter.

This offers a good time to talk about the "Comment" section of oregonlive.com and also, about my role as a columnist.

I am a sports columnist. The experiences, opinions, viewpoints, and the context to which I bring to the piece are mine. Therefore, the column typically IS about my experience. I covered Bob Knight. I covered Tark. I felt both of these things were relevant in shaping my thoughts on Majerus, and how he was interested when we met in the airport many years ago to ask questions about those two coaches.

Those three cast huge shadows.

When I write about the Blazers, I'm writing what I think. When I'm writing about the Ducks offense, I'm writing about what I see. When I'm writing about Oregon State, I'm writing about what I think.

I'm long over being surprised that a few readers don't understand the difference between a reporter who covers a beat and a columnist, employed to share his/her opinions, analysis and viewpoint. Further, I love that people read, offer dissenting opinions, their own analysis and viewpoints.

http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...f/2014/03/canzano_the_comment_section_ca.html


So by Canzano's own admission that he waited for Lillard to introduce himself and by what he just wrote that he is a columnist. Not a reporter means that Canzano is not one of the 10+ people a night who hang around his locker after games and "report" on what he did in the game and what he says about it. It's pretty clear by those two things that Lillard didn't know who Canzano was.

And because of that Canzano insults Lillard and says he's passive aggressive?!? Lillard didn't take shots at him or people like you who love Canzano. All he did was reply to many people who were asking him if they heard what Canzano was saying about him.

Also show me a link where anyone from the Blazers are thinking about retiring more numbers. If there is one I sure missed it.

You and Canzano are trying hard to make it sound like it's Lillard, the Blazers and us fans are the ones trying to stir the pot and Canzano is just some poor misunderstood innocent victim in all of this.

And that right there is why so many of us don't like the guy and why we are disagreeing with your support of him.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Canzano spent two days on the radio harping about Lillard and the fans who like Lillard. Many people where asking Lillard on twitter if he was hearing what Canzano was saying about him. That's why Lillard sent that tweet.

"Who is John canzano and why do ppl keep mentioning him to me"

Sorry to disappoint you but no, the majority of athletes don't obsess over every word spoken or written about them. Why would he know or care who John Canzano is? Even by Canzano's own admission today he is a columnist, not a reporter.

This offers a good time to talk about the "Comment" section of oregonlive.com and also, about my role as a columnist.

I am a sports columnist. The experiences, opinions, viewpoints, and the context to which I bring to the piece are mine. Therefore, the column typically IS about my experience. I covered Bob Knight. I covered Tark. I felt both of these things were relevant in shaping my thoughts on Majerus, and how he was interested when we met in the airport many years ago to ask questions about those two coaches.

Those three cast huge shadows.

When I write about the Blazers, I'm writing what I think. When I'm writing about the Ducks offense, I'm writing about what I see. When I'm writing about Oregon State, I'm writing about what I think.

I'm long over being surprised that a few readers don't understand the difference between a reporter who covers a beat and a columnist, employed to share his/her opinions, analysis and viewpoint. Further, I love that people read, offer dissenting opinions, their own analysis and viewpoints.

http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...f/2014/03/canzano_the_comment_section_ca.html


So by Canzano's own admission that he waited for Lillard to introduce himself and by what he just wrote that he is a columnist. Not a reporter means that Canzano is not one of the 10+ people a night who hang around his locker after games and "report" on what he did in the game and what he says about it. It's pretty clear by those two things that Lillard didn't know who Canzano was.

And because of that Canzano insults Lillard and says he's passive aggressive?!? Lillard didn't take shots at him or people like you who love Canzano. All he did was reply to many people who were asking him if they heard what Canzano was saying about him.

Also show me a link where anyone from the Blazers are thinking about retiring more numbers. If there is one I sure missed it.

You and Canzano are trying hard to make it sound like it's Lillard, the Blazers and us fans are the ones trying to stir the pot and Canzano is just some poor misunderstood innocent victim in all of this.

And that right there is why so many of us don't like the guy and why we are disagreeing with your support of him.

Agreed lillard wasn't being passive aggressive, slypokerdog was when he posted the tweet. I hope crapzano tries to make fun of slypokerdog's doggy breathe next. He should consider it because the longer slypokerdog has a one up on him the more credibility he's losing.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Agreed lillard wasn't being passive aggressive, slypokerdog was when he posted the tweet. I hope crapzano tries to make fun of slypokerdog's doggy breathe next. He should consider it because the longer slypokerdog has a one up on him the more credibility he's losing.

Hahahahahahaha! Rep'd!

 

[dviss1]

Canzano spent two days on the radio harping about Lillard and the fans who like Lillard. Many people where asking Lillard on twitter if he was hearing what Canzano was saying about him. That's why Lillard sent that tweet.

"Who is John canzano and why do ppl keep mentioning him to me"

Sorry to disappoint you but no, the majority of athletes don't obsess over every word spoken or written about them. Why would he know or care who John Canzano is? Even by Canzano's own admission today he is a columnist, not a reporter.

This offers a good time to talk about the "Comment" section of oregonlive.com and also, about my role as a columnist.

I am a sports columnist. The experiences, opinions, viewpoints, and the context to which I bring to the piece are mine. Therefore, the column typically IS about my experience. I covered Bob Knight. I covered Tark. I felt both of these things were relevant in shaping my thoughts on Majerus, and how he was interested when we met in the airport many years ago to ask questions about those two coaches.

Those three cast huge shadows.

When I write about the Blazers, I'm writing what I think. When I'm writing about the Ducks offense, I'm writing about what I see. When I'm writing about Oregon State, I'm writing about what I think.

I'm long over being surprised that a few readers don't understand the difference between a reporter who covers a beat and a columnist, employed to share his/her opinions, analysis and viewpoint. Further, I love that people read, offer dissenting opinions, their own analysis and viewpoints.

http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...f/2014/03/canzano_the_comment_section_ca.html


So by Canzano's own admission that he waited for Lillard to introduce himself and by what he just wrote that he is a columnist. Not a reporter means that Canzano is not one of the 10+ people a night who hang around his locker after games and "report" on what he did in the game and what he says about it. It's pretty clear by those two things that Lillard didn't know who Canzano was.

And because of that Canzano insults Lillard and says he's passive aggressive?!? Lillard didn't take shots at him or people like you who love Canzano. All he did was reply to many people who were asking him if they heard what Canzano was saying about him.

Also show me a link where anyone from the Blazers are thinking about retiring more numbers. If there is one I sure missed it.

You and Canzano are trying hard to make it sound like it's Lillard, the Blazers and us fans are the ones trying to stir the pot and Canzano is just some poor misunderstood innocent victim in all of this.

And that right there is why so many of us don't like the guy and why we are disagreeing with your support of him.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to SlyPokerDog again.

Great Post.

 

[1honestfan]

Canzano spent two days on the radio harping about Lillard and the fans who like Lillard. Many people where asking Lillard on twitter if he was hearing what Canzano was saying about him. That's why Lillard sent that tweet.

Canzano is the major reporter of this market. You have got to be kidding me when you suggest that Lillard didn't know who Canzano was after appx., 2 years in the market. It's laughable to argue otherwise. Please don't insult Lillard's intelligence that way.

"Who is John canzano and why do ppl keep mentioning him to me"

Sorry to disappoint you but no, the majority of athletes don't obsess over every word spoken or written about them. Why would he know or care who John Canzano is? Even by Canzano's own admission today he is a columnist, not a reporter.

I respectfully do disagree with you because an NBA player has an agent who does that for them and brings it to their attention. I am glad that a Canzano isn't a reporter because the means he can write on his own accord. The NEWS used to stand for NORTH, EAST, WEST, & SOUTH and a famous and well respect reporter used to preach that as a reporter you shouldn't be "Making" the news, you should just be reporting the news. The Blazers to far often try to circumvent the reporters for "MAKING' the news for them.

This offers a good time to talk about the "Comment" section of oregonlive.com and also, about my role as a columnist.

I am a sports columnist. The experiences, opinions, viewpoints, and the context to which I bring to the piece are mine. Therefore, the column typically IS about my experience. I covered Bob Knight. I covered Tark. I felt both of these things were relevant in shaping my thoughts on Majerus, and how he was interested when we met in the airport many years ago to ask questions about those two coaches.

Those three cast huge shadows.

How? He's been BS'ed by people far more involved with a team than Allen and yet those people have a FAR better resume than Allen. God, I wish that could be totally opposite from the truth......

When I write about the Blazers, I'm writing what I think. When I'm writing about the Ducks offense, I'm writing about what I see. When I'm writing about Oregon State, I'm writing about what I think.

And the problem is? The Blazers and the Beavers are selling "Hope" the Ducks are at the apex of selling "Championships". I am not saying that the Ducks "ARE" going to win a championship but they are in a better position than than the others. I also wish that were not true but it is.

I'm long over being surprised that a few readers don't understand the difference between a reporter who covers a beat and a columnist, employed to share his/her opinions, analysis and viewpoint. Further, I love that people read, offer dissenting opinions, their own analysis and viewpoints.

I see nothing wrong with your quote of Canzano. A beat reporter only jots down quotes and reports them in quotes; A columnist will sit there and create an assessment, huge difference.

http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...f/2014/03/canzano_the_comment_section_ca.html


So by Canzano's own admission that he waited for Lillard to introduce himself and by what he just wrote that he is a columnist. Not a reporter means that Canzano is not one of the 10+ people a night who hang around his locker after games and "report" on what he did in the game and what he says about it. It's pretty clear by those two things that Lillard didn't know who Canzano was.

Please call John's show and ask him on Monday if the Blazers "Allow" him into the locker room. Ask him if the Blazers allow him on Talkin-Ball even though that's a Comcast show being produced and aired at the Moda-Center. You do realize3 that the Blazers only let in media personnel by invite; correct?

And because of that Canzano insults Lillard and says he's passive aggressive?!? Lillard didn't take shots at him or people like you who love Canzano. All he did was reply to many people who were asking him if they heard what Canzano was saying about him.

Wait a minute, Lillard put Canzano on blast first. How is that otherwise? It was Lillard who tweeted on Canzano first.

Also show me a link where anyone from the Blazers are thinking about retiring more numbers. If there is one I sure missed it.

First of all this is not a new idea that the Blazers themselves have suggested as evidence by this link:

http://www.iamatrailblazersfan.com/...d/158/aff/488/afv/topic/aft/5787/Default.aspx

Secondy, I have you not heard the term of "Floating" an idea? It's not a great idea for the Blazers to have as many as they do. Banners in the rafter should be a direct relationship to winning on the court.


You and Canzano are trying hard to make it sound like it's Lillard, the Blazers and us fans are the ones trying to stir the pot and Canzano is just some poor misunderstood innocent victim in all of this.

Me? Me and Canzano? What? Are Canzano and I freinds and hang out? Your kidding me; right? I buy 50% of what the Blazers say and 50% of what Canzano says. The truth lyres somewhere in the middle.

And that right there is why so many of us don't like the guy and why we are disagreeing with your support of him.

I don't mind people disagreeing with me. I have zero problem with someone even educating me on something that I either forgot or didn't know. I am not here to change people's opinions as much as I'm here to give my opinion. I will admit that it's "Easy" to want to hate Canzano when you "Want" to love the Blazers. I love the Blazers but have zero problem calling them out higher.

 

[1honestfan]

you get a different kind of jerk in prison.

Nice..... I see what you did there. LOL

 

[jlprk]

HonestFan, were you on the ESPN board? What was your name?

 

[jlprk]

I was jlprk about a fourth of the time. A couple of months in, after my first ban, I created a dozen names. You have to be sneaky there to survive.

 

[1honestfan]

I was jlprk about a fourth of the time. A couple of months in, after my first ban, I created a dozen names. You have to be sneaky there to survive.

I thought your SN looked familiar. I went by another name until I changed it to this one. One hint, if you look back at my first post then you can put my first and last name together and add a 44 to it. I saw that no one else was using their real name so I changed it to this.

 

[jlprk]

You started about when I left (see date at left). You became opponents with, wasn't it the guy who had UW in his name on the Sonic board, but kept changing his name everytime he was banned. When the Sonics died he became a Blazer fan.

 

[1honestfan]

You started about when I left (see date at left). You became opponents with, wasn't it the guy who had UW in his name on the Sonic board, but kept changing his name everytime he was banned. When the Sonics died he became a Blazer fan.

Well the very short story is "YES".

I like/liked UWBlazers but once you crossed him then there was never moving past that point; right, wrong, or indifferent. That dude would hold a grudge. You are correct when you say that I need to incorporate more humor into my posts and I do consciously try. I love the Blazers and have so since 1974 but sometimes I think people get confused with where I am coming from. I will always be a Blazer fan but I don't think that they are beyond approach.

I actually didn't know that UWBlazers changed his screen name after the Sonics dissolved.

He got mad at me during a Portland versus Dallas thread when I said that McMillan sucked as a coach and we were going to be beat 4-2. He thought I wasn't a fan because I didn't hold the company line.

 

[jlprk]

On the Sonics board he went up to at least UWBlazers34, hitting every number. He was banned more than 34 times because he also tried other names, but fooled no one due to his iconic style.

How was he different from BlazerFanatic?

 

[1honestfan]

On the Sonics board he went up to at least UWBlazers34, hitting every number. He was banned more than 34 times because he also tried other names, but fooled no one due to his iconic style.

How was he different from BlazerFanatic?

HUGE DIFFERENCE.

UWBlazers would make things personal when he decided he liked you or didn't like you and there was just no two ways about it. Again, I actually like UWBlazers if he could get passed that BS. BF is a very well educated writer but she would just dig in and then insult everyone on every position unless they 100% agreed with her. She just had one way of looking at things and that was that, as memory serves me.

I like to think that I can find good in people just as much as I can find fault. Don't we all have our own faults? Don't we have good in us as well?

However, I want to thank-you for helping me work on my humor.....

BBBAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Damn, I did it again.....

lol.

 

[Natebishop3]

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I'm long over being surprised that a few readers don't understand the difference between a reporter who covers a beat and a columnist, employed to share his/her opinions, analysis and viewpoint. Further, I love that people read, offer dissenting opinions, their own analysis and viewpoints.

I'm long over being surprised that Canzano doesn't understand the difference between people that think he's a hack job (and his opinions are often so far different than everyone else's we cannot understand where he is coming from) and people that don't understand what it is a columnist does, employed to share his/her opinions, analysis and viewpoint.

Generally, if people are reading Canzano, they are at least somewhat educated. We get what you are, John. You're a pot-stirrer. You take a lot of shots. Your viewpoints are so different from everyone else's that there often seems more to your viewpoints than meets the eye. Your job is to sell papers. Controversy sells. So, yeah. It's not that people don't understand what your job is. It's that people understand you're terrible at it and they're telling you so. Don't get so bent out of shape that people are calling you out on your bullshit.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Are you posting this in all of the threads?

 

[Natebishop3]

Are you posting this in all of the threads?

Well, I've got it posted in 2..... so I guess I've got a lot of work ahead if I'm going to get it posted in all of them. Want to help?

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Well, I've got it posted in 2..... so I guess I've got a lot of work ahead if I'm going to get it posted in all of them. Want to help?

LOL.

I thought I did help by re-posting it in this thread (via quoting your posting of it)?

 

[Natebishop3]

LOL.

I thought I did help by re-posting it in this thread (via quoting your posting of it)?

You should be a happy dude right now.... we re-signed Bolden!

 

[maxiep]

I'm long over being surprised that Canzano doesn't understand the difference between people that think he's a hack job (and his opinions are often so far different than everyone else's we cannot understand where he is coming from) and people that don't understand what it is a columnist does, employed to share his/her opinions, analysis and viewpoint.

Generally, if people are reading Canzano, they are at least somewhat educated. We get what you are, John. You're a pot-stirrer. You take a lot of shots. Your viewpoints are so different from everyone else's that there often seems more to your viewpoints than meets the eye. Your job is to sell papers. Controversy sells. So, yeah. It's not that people don't understand what your job is. It's that people understand you're terrible at it and they're telling you so. Don't get so bent out of shape that people are calling you out on your bullshit.

Exactly right. Repped.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

You should be a happy dude right now.... we re-signed Bolden!

I'd be happier if you could spell his name correctly!

Boldin!! :MARIS61:

 

[Natebishop3]

I'd be happier if you could spell his name correctly!

Boldin!! :MARIS61:

Damn.... auto correct?

 

[Storyteller2]

I don't want to cross that line where I am being a Canzano homer because I'm not but he is good at what he does.

Canzano has won numerous Associated Press Sports Editors (APSE) awards.

In 2010, the Society of Professional Journalists named Canzano the National Sports Columnist of the Year for his work the prior year.

In 2009, Canzano was voted America's No. 1 sports columnist by the APSE, for 2008.

In 2007 and 2008, the Associated Press named Canzano the nation's No. 2 sports columnist among large-circulation newspapers, with Canzano finishing second to the Los Angeles Times’ Bill Plaschke both times.

Canzano was recognized by The Press Club of Atlantic City as national sportswriter of the year in 2004.

In 2013, Canzano won first place in Special Topic Column Writing in the Best of the West contest for his portfolio of columns that included a column on a soldier who died in action in Afghanistan and Canzano's own experience coaching a girls fourth-grade volleyball team with a player who has Down Syndrome.

In 2002, Canzano was named the nation's top investigative sports writer by the Associated Press News Executives Council[10] for his enterprise piece on Carlos Rodriguez, a 21-year-old Dominican basketball star who was masquerading as a 17-year-old high school basketball player.

Canzano is a three-time Oregon Sportswriter of the Year winner.

On July 7, 2007, the Portland Beavers' Triple-A baseball team held "John Canzano Bobblehead Night."Also, on Aug. 29, 2009, the LPGA Safeway Classic featured "John Canzano Bobblehead Day," as part of the tour event held at Pumpkin Ridge Golf Club in Oregon.

I understand that many blazer fans hate Canzano because the blazers hate Canzano but he does do good work.

In 2004, he criticized the Blazers for not making a trade (for Shaq). When I pointed out to him via email that his proposed deal didn't work under CBA trade rules and that there was no combination of players involving Randolph (who was BYC) that would work, his reply was that it wasn't his responsibility to come up with workable trades.

In 2006, he told me that he had 'seen with his own eyes' that there was still a 75% rule for BYC in the CBA. This after having written about there still being such a rule. I told him that the 75% rule was part of the previous CBA and not in the then-current one. He flat out told me I was wrong and said he would 'get back to me' with the reference of where it was located. He never did get back to me.

In 2008, he wrote that the Blazers would have between $15 and $20 million in cap space in the summer of 2009. When I challenged him on these numbers, he told me that he appreciated my response but that he was correct. Portland actually had less than $8 million in cap space, which they used to sign Andre Miller.

In 2009, he wrote on his blog on the day of the trade deadline that Portland could trade Raef LaFrentz later in the season. When I responded that he was incorrect, his response to me was that there was nothing to prevent Portland from trading LaFrentz later in the year. Later that morning, after realizing his mistake, he went back and edited his comments so that it would appear that he had never made those statements.

In 2011, he promoted the heck out of the 'fact' that he would have an 'expert on the new CBA' on his radio show. This lawyer, he said, knew all about the new CBA, so callers could ask any question they wanted about it and he'd have an answer. I called in and asked a question about signing Freeland to a contract larger than his rookie scale. The lawyer admitted to me that he had never actually seen the new CBA, but that I was correct in saying that such a thing was possible under the old CBA and therefore was probably allowed in the new CBA. This was not a situation where the guest promoted himself as an expert, it was John who put that (incorrect) label on him. I asked John to explain himself afterwards via email and never heard back from him.

Just a few of my experiences with interacting with John about 'facts' that he either wrote about or said on his radio show.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I think that's what they call "sonning".

 

[Kaydow]

Why is he able to get away with being so inaccurate? He's not compelling, he's not innovative. He just recycles theories about why the Blazers aren't a winning organization. You can tell he's seething when they start a season 31-9. He just revels in their downfall. Why does anybody listen to the guy? You'll never hear his voice on my radio. Boycott forever that clown (nice work Storyteller 2)

 

[jlprk]

In about Jan. 2004 I e-mailed him to disagree about something. The time stamp in his response indicated he was 2 time zones away, out of state. There was no local team visiting there. I forgot how I determined this, but I became convinced that he goes to few local games because he has a second home out of state. He's just making up half his articles.