Lillard's and Aldridge's relationship. (He will come back Portland one day) (1 Viewer)

[CupWizier]

PER is too much of an offensive usage stat and last season was probably LA's best statistic season so that's cherry picking. Both PER & BPM use box-score stats, but PER uses semi-arbitrary hand-crafted weights while BPM is more mathematically sound. Here is an article that analyses various NBA advanced metrics based on predictive power.
https://fansided.com/2019/01/08/nylon-calculus-best-advanced-stat/

Here is the conclusion:
The best one-number metrics — BPM, PIPM, RAPM, and (probably) RPM — are actually quite good at ball-parking player value, but until we can generate more context-specific numbers, we’re still going to have to do the legwork of analyzing circumstances manually to filter out some of the noise. That, and maybe we can permanently retire PER now.

I used two different stats over the course of 4 years. The two stats I used put LA at 28th and 31st last year, nevertheless, taking 4 years into account LA only comes in around 60th.

My eyes work pretty good for evaluation. Stats are nice but seeing can be even more important. Pro leagues use to use this method a lot and were pretty good drafting . That and gut instincts have shown to be successful.

 

[hoopsjock]

My wife went to Grant.

Since their team name is the Generals, I always thought it would be great if they named their dance team the Specifics.

My wife fails to see the humor in my wit sometimes.

This has got to be one of the strangest coincidences of all time but I was at the OSAA Dance Championships today and I read this post right after watching the Grant "Specifics" perform.

 

[THE HCP]

My wife went to Grant.

Since their team name is the Generals, I always thought it would be great if they named their dance team the Specifics.

My wife fails to see the humor in my wit sometimes.

I think I might have hooked up with your wife at Grant, I did get around.

 

[oldmangrouch]

I think I might have hooked up with your wife at Grant, I did get around.

Hmm. I would say you got more of a pear shape.

 

[CupWizier]

I think I might have hooked up with your wife at Grant, I did get around.

lol, you weren't even conceived yet youngin'.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I think I might have hooked up with your wife at Grant, I did get around.

Did they use you as the ball?

 

[kjironman1]

Yeah, there are very few guys ON THE PLANET who can average 20 ppg. But there are a TON of players in the NBA who can average 20 ppg, if given the chance.

Also, if my choice for PF is solely limited to LA or Aminu just kill me now. Both of them can fuck off.

No... There are not a ton of players in the NBA that can AVERAGE 20 ppg. You are wrong on that.

 

[Labinot41]

Discussing whether or not a PF with a killer turn around would help this team or not is comical. Who would want a player who would force the defense to double team down low leaving shooters open? PF is our weakness right now. I understand the hate when he left and some on here thought he was soft when here. Ok. Fine. He still would he a huge boost to Dame and any other shooter left open because of what LA brings.

Off the court and really the rumors about how he wasn't a good guy with staff etc could be true but people change all the time. He apparently has and Dame seems to feel good about it so I'm good if Dame's good.

If Collins improves and takes the position maybe LA can finally be that role model he failed so badly at years ago.

This. I'll take Aldridge all day over garbage Al farouq ABricku

 

[e_blazer]

I think I might have hooked up with your wife at Grant, I did get around.

You must have the skinniest dick of all time.

 

[kjironman1]

My wife went to Grant.

Since their team name is the Generals, I always thought it would be great if they named their dance team the Specifics.

My wife fails to see the humor in my wit sometimes.

Only certain people would but it is pretty good.

 

[kjironman1]

Yeah, I would really only be interested in finishing out his contract here as he will be paid much more in his next contract as no way a vet minimum will get him signed.

Do you think so? I didn't really think that? I honestly do not think he will command as much as his last contract? But maybe?

 

[Orion Bailey]

No... There are not a ton of players in the NBA that can AVERAGE 20 ppg. You are wrong on that.

I disagree on that. I think alot of players can, but arent put into position to do so because of other players around them already doign so, so their roles are more limited.

Randle from NO is a perfect example.

Are there many that do? No.

Are there many that can if put into the same role as those that do? I think so.

CJ is another example. CJ didnt average anything until Wes left and CJ got the minutes and the role. IF Wes would have resigned and relegated CJ to the bench, he might still not be a 20ppg player.

 

[kjironman1]

Randle is a perfect example of a player that can indeed GET 20 ppg. But absolutely cannot AVERAGE 20 ppg.
If Randle is the primary focus of a team and they are trying to get 20 ppg out of him he would be shut down.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Randle is a perfect example of a player that can indeed GET 20 ppg. But absolutely cannot AVERAGE 20 ppg.
If Randle is the primary focus of a team and they are trying to get 20 ppg out of him he would be shut down.

Well that goes with most players though. What did Dame average against NO when he was the primary focus? That's why tits a team game. .

Of course there are stipulations, and situations dictate the moment. But like I said, put into the right position, I think many players can average 20PPG.

 

[kjironman1]

Well that goes with most players though. What did Dame average against NO when he was the primary focus? That's why tits a team game. .

Of course there are stipulations, and situations dictate the moment. But like I said, put into the right position, I think many players can average 20PPG.

Well now you are looking at a different narrative. Dame against NO is a playoff series. I was thinking in terms of regular season and when Dame was the primary and is the primary like now he does indeed average 20 ppg. So really this makes my point even more if you want to rely on Randle as a 20 ppg scorer in a playoff series you might need about 2 or even three other options. And yes any team would with any player. I agree. Any team in a playoff series needs a 2nd and 3rd option.

 

[CupWizier]

Do you think so? I didn't really think that? I honestly do not think he will command as much as his last contract? But maybe?

I can see him getting a contract for a couple years for around 8-10 mil per year still

 

[Orion Bailey]

Well now you are looking at a different narrative. Dame against NO is a playoff series. I was thinking in terms of regular season and when Dame was the primary and is the primary like now he does indeed average 20 ppg. So really this makes my point even more if you want to rely on Randle as a 20 ppg scorer in a playoff series you might need about 2 or even three other options. And yes any team would with any player. I agree. Any team in a playoff series needs a 2nd and 3rd option.

This is exactly my point. Many players can average 20ppg, given the right situation. Most don't because they don't have the options around them to keep the defense honest. That isn't the players fault, that's a rosters fault and put on the right roster, most players CAN average 20ppg in my opinion.

 

[kjironman1]

This is exactly my point. Many players can average 20ppg, given the right situation. Most don't because they don't have the options around them to keep the defense honest. That isn't the players fault, that's a rosters fault and put on the right roster, most players CAN average 20ppg in my opinion.

I guess our idea of what it would take to be a player that averages 20 ppg is a bit different. But i can understand your point there. On a bad team as the number one option a player can average 20 ppg. This conversation is about Aldridge though. He has always been on a 50 win team. Blazers or Spurs. The guy is better than a good player on a bad team. He even averages over 20 ppg in the playoffs. So he does it on teams that are playoff teams.

 

[CupWizier]

This is exactly my point. Many players can average 20ppg, given the right situation. Most don't because they don't have the options around them to keep the defense honest. That isn't the players fault, that's a rosters fault and put on the right roster, most players CAN average 20ppg in my opinion.

Scoring 20 is one thing. Averaging 20 is a whole different ball game. I see only 3 players that could possible average 20 for a season on the Blazers and the two obvious are Lillard and McCollum, and the third might be Nurkic, but that's not even a given at this stage. To say that most players can average 20ppg just doesn't seem very realistic.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Scoring 20 is one thing. Averaging 20 is a whole different ball game. I see only 3 players that could possible average 20 for a season on the Blazers and the two obvious are Lillard and McCollum, and the third might be Nurkic, but that's not even a given at this stage. To say that most players can average 20ppg just doesn't seem very realistic.

To use this analogy is perfect.

My opinion is that if you put Hood into CJ's spot, I think he could average 20PPG.

You are correct that only a couple players per team can do it, because they are the number 1-3 options. But if you take other role players and put them in the 1-3 option, I think they could then average 20PPG, like my Hood/CJ example above.

If Kuzma was the number one option on the Lakers, I think he would be 20PPG, given the right supporting cast.

Back to Randle and NO. You guys don't think he could average 20PPG as their number 1 option? I do.

 

[wizenheimer]

No... There are not a ton of players in the NBA that can AVERAGE 20 ppg. You are wrong on that.

bunk

Harden - 220
PG - 220
Durant - 240
Lebron - 250
Embiid - 250
Greek - 240
Kawhi - 230
Dame - 200
Blake - 250
KAT - 250

that's 2350 pounds right there, well more than a ton. I'll bet there are at least 4 tons of players that could average 20 points

(do I really need green font for that?)

 

[CupWizier]

I guess our idea of what it would take to be a player that averages 20 ppg is a bit different. But i can understand your point there. On a bad team as the number one option a player can average 20 ppg. This conversation is about Aldridge though. He has always been on a 50 win team. Blazers or Spurs. The guy is better than a good player on a bad team. He even averages over 20 ppg in the playoffs. So he does it on teams that are playoff teams.

There is a lot of bias when it comes to Aldridge in this forum as can be seen by many of the posts in here. The guy has proven to be a very good player in the league and has b een recognized as such by many in the know.

 

[CupWizier]

To use this analogy is perfect.

My opinion is that if you put Hood into CJ's spot, I think he could average 20PPG.

You are correct that only a couple players per team can do it, because they are the number 1-3 options. But if you take other role players and put them in the 1-3 option, I think they could then average 20PPG, like my Hood/CJ example above.

If Kuzma was the number one option on the Lakers, I think he would be 20PPG, given the right supporting cast.

Back to Randle and NO. You guys don't think he could average 20PPG as their number 1 option? I do.

That's 2. You said most.

 

[rotary111]

CJ and Dame get 20 plus while being scouted and game planned. Hitting 20 pts a game several times a year and averaging it are 2 completely different things.

 

[bobf]

This. I'll take Aldridge all day over garbage Al farouq ABricku

2P% - LMA 52.1% vs Aminu 51.6%
So if you replace all of Aminu's 2-pointers for the season with LMA, you would have to endure one whole less brick on the season.

3p% - LMA 25.8% vs Aminu 35.0%
But if you likewise replaced all of LMA 3-pointers for the season with Aminu, you would have 3 less bricks from Chief.

TS% - LMA 57.2% vs Aminu 57.1%
But yes, LMA bricks do look prettier.

TS%
Dame 59.1%
Aminu 57.1%
Nurk 56.9%
CJ 55.7%
Collins 55.1%
Harkless 54.4%

Aminu is the second most efficient of the Blazer starters this year.

 

[Orion Bailey]

That's 2. You said most.

Lol. Im not going to go through each teams' rosters, come on now. I cited two examples. Maybe there is a middle ground? Maybe not most but maybe not just a few either?

I'm just pointing out that I think most rosters have another guy or two on their teams that could do what their 1-3 options do, but don't have the opportunity.

 

[CupWizier]

Lol. Im not going to go through each teams' rosters, come on now. I cited two examples. Maybe there is a middle ground? Maybe not most but maybe not just a few either?

I'm just pointing out that I think most rosters have another guy or two on their teams that could do what their 1-3 options do, but don't have the opportunity.

There are currently 33 players averaging 20 or more out of about 450 players. That is barely over 1 per team.

 

[rotary111]

2P% - LMA 52.1% vs Aminu 51.6%
So if you replace all of Aminu's 2-pointers for the season with LMA, you would have to endure one whole less brick on the season.

3p% - LMA 25.8% vs Aminu 35.0%
But if you likewise replaced all of LMA 3-pointers for the season with Aminu, you would have 3 less bricks from Chief.

TS% - LMA 57.2% vs Aminu 57.1%
But yes, LMA bricks do look prettier.

TS%
Dame 59.1%
Aminu 57.1%
Nurk 56.9%
CJ 55.7%
Collins 55.1%
Harkless 54.4%

Aminu is the second most efficient of the Blazer starters this year.

What kind of defense does Aminu face vs LA? Aminu consistently gets wide open looks. He has his moments but....

 

[wizenheimer]

there are 33 NBA players averaging at least 20 points; and another 18 who average over 17 points. That's more than 10% of the league and probably close to 15% of rotation players. Seems like a substantial proportion

 

[bobf]

Who is the better defender?

Defensive RPM
          Aminu     LMA
2019     +1.40    +0.29
2018     +2.37    +1.24
2017     +3.13    +1.05
2016     +1.62    +1.49
2015     +2.93    +0.36
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Average  +2.29    +0.89
DBPM     +1.40    +0.50  (career)