Lillard's and Aldridge's relationship. (He will come back Portland one day)

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I guess I have some sympathy with Aldridge because I was once in a situation where I had a job that was good for many years, then some real problems developed. I was offered a transfer, not within the company, my original plan, but an affiliate elsewhere. Turned out to be a disaster. Now, the Spurs are not a hellhole and I'm sure LA was not abused or lied to or faced illegal working conditions. But I tried, several times, to return without success, then the new job threw me away like garbage, found another, crappy, job, and finally retired. So I'm OK now but I kicked myself for, in the face of what were real issues, bailing. Perhaps Aldridge is realizing Portland is/was his best environment. If he can recognize the team runs through Dame, and wants to return, and the Blazers don't have to give up a ton for him, I'm all for it. He's got some good years left.
 
LayneStaley said:
IMO the problem first go around was LA thought he was/is/gonna always be the bigger star and face of the franchise. Now that he knows Dame is a first team all nba guy I doubt he would be whining about not being the man, I actually think at this stage he’d accept the 3rd scorer role with open arms and most likely excel at it.
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Agreed. I doubt he wants (or is up to) the responsibility. Perfect third fiddle who provides a threat the other team has to respect
 
Scalma said:
The good thing is we’ll get more than half the season to see what kind of progress Collins has made. And if he’s starting at power forward and takes that next step, we won’t even need Aldridge. But if he’s still up and down I think a package of Bazemore/Whiteside expiring and Zach (along with a pick) could be in play.
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For geriatric Aldridge? Did I misunderstand your post?
 
crandc said:
I guess I have some sympathy with Aldridge because I was once in a situation where I had a job that was good for many years, then some real problems developed. I was offered a transfer, not within the company, my original plan, but an affiliate elsewhere. Turned out to be a disaster. Now, the Spurs are not a hellhole and I'm sure LA was not abused or lied to or faced illegal working conditions. But I tried, several times, to return without success, then the new job threw me away like garbage, found another, crappy, job, and finally retired. So I'm OK now but I kicked myself for, in the face of what were real issues, bailing. Perhaps Aldridge is realizing Portland is/was his best environment. If he can recognize the team runs through Dame, and wants to return, and the Blazers don't have to give up a ton for him, I'm all for it. He's got some good years left.
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I wouldn't have a problem getting Aldridge back as he is very talented and would make us stronger as he is a proven commodity. Like you mentioned though, it would depend on the cost.
 
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H.C. said:
My point was that the guy from outsiders left Little out of his rotation.
While putting Simons and Trentjr in it.
Clearly it's a giant stretch that Little will force himself onto the court. But it's a known commodity that Simons and Trentjr will be key contributors this year.
And in Simons case he's a future HOF player.
Clearly...



In limited minutes/opportunity Trentjr would make the same mistakes Armon Johnson would.
Driving to the rim against three defenders.
Taking a tough contested jumper early in the clock.
Armon Johnson used to come down and already have it in his mind if he's going to shoot or pass. Trentjr certainly looked a lot like that in his limited minutes last year.

I'm allowed to disagree with the majority of the forum.
I certainly have for the past two years about Meyers Leonard.
That asset helped get Whiteside. So he certainly didn't have the negative trade value that a lot of the forum believed he to have.
Same with ET. Swap for someone who could actually shoot without attaching draft picks?

Obviously this forum is the place where every nba gm comes to. To figure out what a player is worth/able to do during the season.
Anyone who disagrees with that will certainly be told so.
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If I were a GM I would totally come on a site like this and mess with people haha
 
Would you do Aldridge + Derozan for Whiteside, Bazemore, Skal + 2020 1st, 2022 1st and 2024 1st ?
 
Labinot41 said:
Would you do Aldridge + Derozan for Whiteside, Bazemore, Skal + 2020 1st, 2022 1st and 2024 1st ?
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Like everyone else, no way.
I personally value Whiteside more than LMA (especially given the contracts).

Baze + Skal + Picks is too high of price for DeRozan. His mid-range game would just clog the floor on offense.
 
Labinot41 said:
Would you do Aldridge + Derozan for Whiteside, Bazemore, Skal + 2020 1st, 2022 1st and 2024 1st ?
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That would definitely be an overall talent upgrade for this squad, but fit would still be an issue. We'd still be looking at a team with very little outside shooting, which would seem to be difficult to rely on in this day and age.

I'm loath to give out a pick 5 years into the future, but if it were just 2 picks, I'd probably take the gamble. Opposing teams really couldn't double Dame with CJ/Derozan/LA/Nurk alongside him--too many other scoring threats (even if not from beyond the arc). Derozan could also act in a point-forward role; I didn't realize he averaged over 6 assists a game last year. He could definitely be a secondary (tertiary?) initiator of the offense to allow Dame to play off the ball. Simons/Hood/Hezonja/ZC is a pretty decent bench too--lots of versatility there, I think.

Yeah, I think a couple firsts is not a terrible cost for a 2-year gamble on that kind of talent upgrade.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
That would definitely be an overall talent upgrade for this squad, but fit would still be an issue. We'd still be looking at a team with very little outside shooting, which would seem to be difficult to rely on in this day and age.

I'm loath to give out a pick 5 years into the future, but if it were just 2 picks, I'd probably take the gamble. Opposing teams really couldn't double Dame with CJ/Derozan/LA/Nurk alongside him--too many other scoring threats (even if not from beyond the arc). Derozan could also act in a point-forward role; I didn't realize he averaged over 6 assists a game last year. He could definitely be a secondary (tertiary?) initiator of the offense to allow Dame to play off the ball. Simons/Hood/Hezonja/ZC is a pretty decent bench too--lots of versatility there, I think.

Yeah, I think a couple firsts is not a terrible cost for a 2-year gamble on that kind of talent upgrade.
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Try for one, settle for two, say no to three.
 
Adding Aldridge and Derozan to this team would be scary good and as good as anyone in the league.

Line up (once all are healthy)

Lillard
McCollum
Derozan
Aldridge
Nurkic

That's a starting lineup of 5 all star or near all star level players

Rotation players: Collins, Simons, Hood, Hezonja, Trent jr

Pick up a minimum salary back up center and that's one scary lineup and as good as anyone in the league. The main drawback is adding more salary and needing to pick up a couple min salary players to fill out the roster, but that's a Jody Allen decision.
 
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tester551 said:
Like everyone else, no way.
I personally value Whiteside more than LMA (especially given the contracts).

Baze + Skal + Picks is too high of price for DeRozan. His mid-range game would just clog the floor on offense.
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The contracts are essentially the same except Aldridge has one more year which I look at as an advantage. If by the trade deadline the following season things aren't working out then he can be moved.
 
im coming around more and more to do what it takes to make it happen. Derozens midrange game might be just the ticket for him in this situation. He can be our Moe and slash to the hoop. Can he defend well? He wouold be needed most to help Dame and CJ secure the perimeter.
 
that lineup would be fearsome, perhaps as good as any in the league, I imagine defensively it could have weaknesses though, I dont really know DeRozan
 
Cugel said:
that lineup would be fearsome, perhaps as good as any in the league, I imagine defensively it could have weaknesses though, I dont really know DeRozan
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That lineup would be atrocious for Portland.
CJ, LMA, & Derozon would all be hunting for their shots in the mid-range - taking away opportunities from the most effective offensive weapon Portland has (Dame driving to the basket). All are high-use players. None are above average defenders.

There's a lot if talent with that lineup, just a horrible fit...
 
tester551 said:
That lineup would be atrocious for Portland.
CJ, LMA, & Derozon would all be hunting for their shots in the mid-range - taking away opportunities from the most effective offensive weapon Portland has (Dame driving to the basket). All are high-use players. None are above average defenders.

There's a lot if talent with that lineup, just a horrible fit...
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CJ is a career 40% 3pt shooter. Yeah, he’s happy taking the midrange if that’s what the defense is giving up, but he’s a stud from 3 too.
 
I’d rather just give up Whiteside for LA once Nurk is healthy and let Hood start at 3. I can handle one more season of LA at 24 mil but I don’t wanna pay DD 28 mil too.
 
https://ripcityproject.com/2019/07/...ers-3-trades-lamarcus-aldridge-reunion/amp/2/


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BLAZERS GET
LAMARCUS ALDRIDGE

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SPURS GET
HASSAN WHITESIDE, 2020 FIRST-ROUND PICK
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BLAZERS GET
LAMARCUS ALDRIDGE

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SPURS GET
KENT BAZEMORE, SKAL LABISSIERRE, 2020 FIRST-ROUND PICK
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BLAZERS GET
LAMARCUS ALDRIDGE, DEMAR DEROZAN

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SPURS GET
HASSAN WHITESIDE, KENT BAZEMORE, SKAL LABISSIERE, 2020 FIRST-ROUND PICK, 2022 FIRST-ROUND PICK, PROTECTED 2024 FIRST-ROUND PICK
 
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