Locking up RoLo

[rasheedfan2005]

Until you give say your 1st, 4th, and 5th best players MAX and can't pay your 2nd and 3rd best player so they leave.

Of course this doesn't necessarily apply to us (just an issue for most all teams in general) but it could down the road if we went that route.

I'm just saying its Paul's money. As long as we improve and beer prices continue to stay high I could careless about how much he pays in luxury tax. I know its fun for fan gm's to play keep under budget but reality is the owner can pay as little or as much as he wants.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I'm just saying its Paul's money. As long as we improve and beer prices continue to stay high I could careless about how much he pays in luxury tax. I know its fun for fan gm's to play keep under budget but reality is the owner can pay as little or as much as he wants.

Da comrade, is true. Paulski Allenovitch are spend all his money for to have team like Brooklyn. $100M payroll is good, nyet?

 

[blue9]

I know its fun for fan gm's to play keep under budget but reality is the owner can pay as little or as much as he wants.

Eh, kinda but not really. Once you hit the cap it severely inhibits your ability to sign new players to improve the team or keep it competitive. We're going to be dealing with that this summer and we haven't even gotten to the point of locking up Rolo (or Lillard). SPAM will not work.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Eh, kinda but not really. Once you hit the cap it severely inhibits your ability to sign new players to improve the team or keep it competitive. We're going to be dealing with that this summer and we haven't even gotten to the point of locking up Rolo (or Lillard). SPAM will not work.

Nyet, nyet--you no understandski. Other team are want to send expensive player here, for to save money. Allenovitch will spend many rubles to make team win. Speak not of the, how you call it?--"C B A". League cannot stop him. Paulski's gold > Adam Silver.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Da comrade, is true. Paulski Allenovitch are spend all his money for to have team like Brooklyn. $100M payroll is good, nyet?

Nyet, nyet--you no understandski. Other team are want to send expensive player here, for to save money. Allenovitch will spend many rubles to make team win. Speak not of the, how you call it?--"C B A". League cannot stop him. Paulski's gold > Adam Silver.

High quality nets troll. Thanks for this.

 

[BalancedMan]

I don't think he's worth the max by any means, and I don't think any team would pay him that much. That being said, if you're a capable 7-footer you can earn a 10 mil/year contract pretty easily. I think he'll get something between what Splitter (4/36mil) and Pekovic (5/60mil) got.

 

[PapaG]

Eh, kinda but not really. Once you hit the cap it severely inhibits your ability to sign new players to improve the team or keep it competitive. We're going to be dealing with that this summer and we haven't even gotten to the point of locking up Rolo (or Lillard). SPAM will not work.

Huh? Which competitive team isn't going to be dealing with the cap this summer? I can't think of anybody in the West, outside of maybe Phoenix. It will be about trades and good use of the MLE for all the teams in the west. If you want to look at teams that are screwed by having dead weight contracts, Houston, the Clippers, and OKC jump out at me.

 

[MickZagger]

Don't ever leave a pack of Rolo's in your pocket. Devastating.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Eh, kinda but not really. Once you hit the cap it severely inhibits your ability to sign new players to improve the team or keep it competitive. We're going to be dealing with that this summer and we haven't even gotten to the point of locking up Rolo (or Lillard). SPAM will not work.

I agree it is advantages to be under the cap when signing new players, but it is also inevitable that the Blazers will be over by 2015-16. (if they resign LMA) And I think it is smart to try not to over pay your players in case you need to move them. Technically once you are over......you are over. The only one it really hurts is Paul. And if he wants to do it....fine by me

It does seems like Robin will get close to Pekovic cash (which is 12 /yr) but I would try like hell to get him at 10 per year. To me he is worth that. Anything over 10 per he will enter the Ostertag/Koncak scenario where fans will turn on him in a second if he does not live up to the contract. He may end up being happier if he just signs a "fair" deal as opposed to a max deal.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I agree it is advantages to be under the cap when signing new players, but it is also inevitable that the Blazers will be over by 2015-16. (if they resign LMA) And I think it is smart to try not to over pay your players in case you need to move them. Technically once you are over......you are over. The only one it really hurts is Paul. And if he wants to do it....fine by me

It does seems like Robin will get close to Pekovic cash (which is 12 /yr) but I would try like hell to get him at 10 per year. To me he is worth that. Anything over 10 per he will enter the Ostertag/Koncak scenario where fans will turn on him in a second if he does not live up to the contract. He may end up being happier if he just signs a "fair" deal as opposed to a max deal.

That is true and yet it is not entirely true. You can be over the cap but under the luxury tax level. Over the cap limits you but nothing like being in luxury tax area. At that level things like getting a smaller MLE, not getting a Bi-Annual exception, and not being able to take players in Sign and Trades happen. So it isn't just about Paul Allen paying more money out of his pocket to the NBA. It is about not being able to improve down-the-line in a lot of cases.

 

[Pinwheel1]

That is true and yet it is not entirely true. You can be over the cap but under the luxury tax level. Over the cap limits you but nothing like being in luxury tax area. At that level things like getting a smaller MLE, not getting a Bi-Annual exception, and not being able to take players in Sign and Trades happen. So it isn't just about Paul Allen paying more money out of his pocket to the NBA. It is about not being able to improve down-the-line in a lot of cases.

Good point. So for 2013-14 the salary cap will be $58.7 million, the luxury tax line will be $71.7 million. My understanding is we are at 61.2 this year, so we basically have about 10 million to play with long term. Almost all of our young player's contracts increase a little each year. Lopez will cost us 6 million more when he signs (That gives him 11/yr)

I am guessing that it will be players like Wes and Nic that will be effected the most by Lillard's next contract.

 

[dviss1]

Nyet, nyet--you no understandski. Other team are want to send expensive player here, for to save money. Allenovitch Vill spend many rubles to make team win. Speak not of the, how you call it?--"C B A". League cannot stop him. Paulski's gold > Adam Silver.

OK I cracked the FUCK up reading this! FIFY tho

 

[Natebishop3]

Can't we get him some sponsor money from Rolo?

 

[Strenuus]

I would guess he will sign for a reasonable/high compromise. I think he likes it here, and recognizes this is a good fit and system for him. But, he also deserves to get paid. Pek money sounds likely and is a good comp.

I'm fine giving him Pek money. He deserves it.

 

[Natebishop3]

At this point, I still think I would consider dealing Nic/Wes for another big name player. Wright has proven that he can be useful in the starting lineup. Barton can play the backup role. We need one more guy to go with Dame/LA.

 

[Pinwheel1]

At this point, I still think I would consider dealing Nic/Wes for another big name player. Wright has proven that he can be useful in the starting lineup. Barton can play the backup role. We need one more guy to go with Dame/LA.

So a SG/SF who is basically all star caliber. (Or close to it) I am skeptical, but certainly not opposed especially if that player is mid 20's or younger and can grow with Lillard. Easier said than done though

 

[KeepOnRollin]

So a SG/SF who is basically all star caliber. (Or close to it) I am skeptical, but certainly not opposed especially if that player is mid 20's or younger and can grow with Lillard. Easier said than done though

Even with his sometimes inconsistency isn't basically who you are describing Batum?

Batum is no All-Star but I am also hard pressed to find a guy who I think makes more sense on our team unless that guy is making max.

 

[Natebishop3]

Even with his sometimes inconsistency isn't basically who you are describing Batum?

Batum is no All-Star but I am also hard pressed to find a guy who I think makes more sense on our team unless that guy is making max.

I like Nic. I think he does a lot of things well. I'm just wondering if we need a legit third star if we really want to contend.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I like Nic. I think he does a lot of things well. I'm just wondering if we need a legit third star if we really want to contend.

Just wondering who people have in mind that is going to be worth giving both Wes and Nic up for? You aren't getting LeBron of course.

 

[Natebishop3]

Just wondering who people have in mind that is going to be worth giving both Wes and Nic up for? You aren't getting LeBron of course.

The availability of stars can fluctuate, so it's difficult to say who will be on the market this summer. Which wing do you think are worth those two, regardless of availability? Obviously LeBron and Durant, but who else?

 

[blue9]

Setting aside the availability parameter, name some names of All-Star SGs/SFs you think would be a good fit.
The way I see it there's such a dearth of talent at those positions that if you DO manage to find an upgrade, and that player DOES become available to us, it won't be a very significant upgrade.
I still think getting weaker (and cheaper) at PF but stronger at positions 6-9 will be a better bet. Once we extend LMA we're going to become the next Denver Nuggets.

 

[Strenuus]

Setting aside the availability parameter, name some names of All-Star SGs/SFs you think would be a good fit.
The way I see it there's such a dearth of talent at those positions that if you DO manage to find an upgrade, and that player DOES become available to us, it won't be a very significant upgrade.
I still think getting weaker (and cheaper) at PF but stronger at positions 6-9 will be a better bet. Once we extend LMA we're going to become the next Denver Nuggets.

Just for clarification, how would we become the Nuggets? And pre-Melo or Post-Melo (or during-Melo, I suppose) Nuggets?

 

[blue9]

Just for clarification, how would we become the Nuggets? And pre-Melo or Post-Melo (or during-Melo, I suppose) Nuggets?

We'll become the Melo-era Nuggets and then the post-Melo Nuggets. We'll be just good enough to be a perennial Playoff team but not good enough to do anything once we get there. And ultimately we'll end up breaking the team up after several unsuccessful attempts, because with LMA and Lillard on MAX deals we won't be able to do anything to improve the roster enough to make us a contender.

 

[PapaG]

I like Nic. I think he does a lot of things well. I'm just wondering if we need a legit third star if we really want to contend.

FFS!

You wanted to blow up the team last summer by trading away LMA, because you were pissing your pants thinking he'd leave Portland. Now, you're upset that this year's team isn't good enough to win a title right now? Portland is going to win a title one way at this point, and that is the Piston approach with LMA/Lillard/Batum/Matthews/Lopez/bench. Once Oden and Roy both had their careers destroyed by injury, the superstar to Portland thing went away. Unless the team goes back to winning 20 games a year, which would mean blowing everything up, the window for a superstar dynasty has closed. This seems so simple to me, logically.

 

[Strenuus]

We'll become the Melo-era Nuggets and then the post-Melo Nuggets. We'll be just good enough to be a perennial Playoff team but not good enough to do anything once we get there. And ultimately we'll end up breaking the team up after several unsuccessful attempts, because with LMA and Lillard on MAX deals we won't be able to do anything to improve the roster enough to make us a contender.

Ah. Cool. Thanks for the clarification. Repped.