Looking back at Richard Jefferson

[Dark Defender]

I remember when RJ first came into the league how he had a fantastic rookie season as part of that great bench. I thought to myself he would be an all-star someday if he could work on his shooting, ball handling and decision making. </p>

RJ has been in the league 7 years now and some of the things that he needed to work on his rookie season still aren't that great now. His shooting has improved but its not as if he is a consistent outside threat. His ball handling is decent but its not where it needs to be IMO. </p>

I love RJ and he has improved a great deal enough to warrant all-star consideration IMO but he is not where I thought he would be. A lot of that has to do with his injuries (ankle, wrist).

Now this isn't to knock RJ but this is just an evalution per say.</p>

</p>

</p><table border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" class="playerStatTable careerAvg" bordercolor="#cccccc"><tbody><tr class="career"><td class="col_1"></td> <td class="col_2"></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td></tr></tbody></table>

</p>

 

[Bearsfan1]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GM3)</div><div class='quotemain'>

I remember when RJ first came into the league how he had a fantastic rookie season as part of that great bench. I thought to myself he would be an all-star someday if he could work on his shooting, ball handling and decision making. </p>

RJ has been in the league 7 years now and some of the things that he needed to work on his rookie season still aren't that great now. His shooting has improved but its not as if he is a consistent outside threat. His ball handling is decent but its not where it needs to be IMO. </p>

I love RJ and he has improved a great deal enough to warrant all-star consideration IMO but he is not where I thought he would be. A lot of that has to do with his injuries (ankle, wrist). Now this isn't to knock RJ but this is just an evalution per say.</p>

</p>

</p><table border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" class="playerStatTable careerAvg" bordercolor="#cccccc"><tbody><tr class="career"><td class="col_1"></td><td class="col_2"></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr></tbody></table>

</p>

</div></p>

RJ should send 1/2 his paycheck to Jason Kidd. He is a shooting gaurd that cant shoot. Fortunately for him he plays with one of the 2 PGs in the league who is good enough to create opportunities for him to score anyway. He would be playing for mid level exception if it were for kidd. He should be very thankful. He is a solid #5 guy for a team. Some scoring punch. Several weaknesses in game, but can contribute to winning as long as he is an afterthought on the team.</p>

 

[cpawfan]

He is a Small Forward, not a Shooting Guard, but thanks for playing

 

[Bearsfan1]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>He is a Small Forward, not a Shooting Guard, but thanks for playing</div>Apparently CBS thinks he is a SG as well. Could have sworn vince played the 3 for them. </p>

Espn has your back. </p>

NBA.com says he is a tweener.</p>

</p>

Bottom line:</p>

Vince plays the 3</p>

Kidd plays the 1</p>

Mikki Moore played the 4</p>

Jason Colins played the 5</p>

</p>

So where did RJ play . . . the . . .2 or SG position.</p>

 

[Kid Chocolate]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>He is a Small Forward, not a Shooting Guard, but thanks for playing</div>Apparently CBS thinks he is a SG as well. Could have sworn vince played the 3 for them. </p>

Espn has your back. </p>

NBA.com says he is a tweener.</p>

</p>

Bottom line:</p>

Vince plays the 3</p>

Kidd plays the 1</p>

Mikki Moore played the 4</p>

Jason Colins played the 5</p>

</p>

So where did RJ play . . . the . . .2 or SG position.</p>

</div></p>

</p>

Uh, no. VC played the 2, RJ the 3. RJ is a Small Forward, Vince a SG. </p>

Believe me, you've already lost this argument, don't even try to justify anything you said, this is the Nets forum, and I would think us Nets' fans know far more about our team than you do and will ever. </p>

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>He is a Small Forward, not a Shooting Guard, but thanks for playing</div>
Apparently CBS thinks he is a SG as well. Could have sworn vince played the 3 for them. </p>

Espn has your back. </p>

NBA.com says he is a tweener.</p>

</p>

Bottom line:</p>

Vince plays the 3</p>

Kidd plays the 1</p>

Mikki Moore played the 4</p>

Jason Colins played the 5</p>

</p>

So where did RJ play . . . the . . .2 or SG position.</p>

</div></p>

</p>

Bottom line is you are wrong. Vince plays the 2, not the 3. RJ plays the 3</p>

I don't need to see what he is listed at on the sites as I watch the games. Besides, go back and look at the all-star ballot, Vince was listed as a guard</p>

 

[Real]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>He is a Small Forward, not a Shooting Guard, but thanks for playing</div>
Apparently CBS thinks he is a SG as well. Could have sworn vince played the 3 for them. </p>

Espn has your back. </p>

NBA.com says he is a tweener.</p>

</p>

Bottom line:</p>

Vince plays the 3</p>

Kidd plays the 1</p>

Mikki Moore played the 4</p>

Jason Colins played the 5</p>

</p>

So where did RJ play . . . the . . .2 or SG position.</p>

</div>CBS thought the Killian documents were authentic. Look where that got them. </p>

This was the starting lineup after Krstic got hurt.</p>

PG-Kidd, SG-Carter, SF-Jefferson, PF-Collins, C-Moore</p>

 

[Bearsfan1]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>He is a Small Forward, not a Shooting Guard, but thanks for playing</div>Apparently CBS thinks he is a SG as well. Could have sworn vince played the 3 for them. </p>

Espn has your back. </p>

NBA.com says he is a tweener.</p>

</p>

Bottom line:</p>

Vince plays the 3</p>

Kidd plays the 1</p>

Mikki Moore played the 4</p>

Jason Colins played the 5</p>

</p>

So where did RJ play . . . the . . .2 or SG position.</p>

</div></p>

</p>

Uh, no. VC played the 2, RJ the 3. RJ is a Small Forward, Vince a SG. </p>

Believe me, you've already lost this argument, don't even try to justify anything you said, this is the Nets forum, and I would think us Nets' fans know far more about our team than you do and will ever. </p>

</div>Dont try and justify what i said? So, basically, you dont want to discuss, you just are right no sense in replying to your future posts? Alright. Well if close mindedness is your drink i hope that your cup runneth over. I wont bother justifying my comments to you anymore. Since you dont acutally want to discuss. Enjoy the NETS circle jerk you yearn for.</p>

 

[Kid Chocolate]

[quote name='BearsFan1'][quote name='Kid Chocolate'][quote name='BearsFan1']

[quote name='cpawfan']He is a Small Forward, not a Shooting Guard, but thanks for playing[/QUOTE]Apparently CBS thinks he is a SG as well. Could have sworn vince played the 3 for them. </p>

Espn has your back. </p>

NBA.com says he is a tweener.</p>

</p>

Bottom line:</p>

Vince plays the 3</p>

Kidd plays the 1</p>

Mikki Moore played the 4</p>

Jason Colins played the 5</p>

</p>

So where did RJ play . . . the . . .2 or SG position.</p>

[/QUOTE]</p>

</p>

Uh, no. VC played the 2, RJ the 3. RJ is a Small Forward, Vince a SG. </p>

Believe me, you've already lost this argument, don't even try to justify anything you said, this is the Nets forum, and I would think us Nets' fans know far more about our team than you do and will ever. </p>

[/QUOTE]Dont try and justify what i said? So, basically, you dont want to discuss, you just are right no sense in replying to your future posts? Alright. Well if close mindedness is your drink i hope that your cup runneth over. I wont bother justifying my comments to you anymore. Since you dont acutally want to discuss. Enjoy the NETS circle jerk you yearn for.</p>

[/QUOTE]</p>

</p>

I don't need to justify a comment that any basketball fan should know and does. You're post was utterly ridiculous and wrong. I don't know how you want me to prove it to you, as you already brought up the listed positions which are all pointless the moment RJ steps on the court and consistently plays the 3. Watch a Nets game and you will see that you are wrong and I am right. End of discussion. </p>

I don't care if you never respond to me again, all I've seen of you is that you have zany opinions on nearly everything and are possibly the biggest hater I've ever seen.</p>

</p>

Cheerio.</p>

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>


Dont try and justify what i said? So, basically, you dont want to discuss, you just are right no sense in replying to your future posts? Alright. Well if close mindedness is your drink i hope that your cup runneth over. I wont bother justifying my comments to you anymore. Since you dont acutally want to discuss. Enjoy the NETS circle jerk you yearn for.</p></div>
What you are attempting to justify is as justifiable as blustering that 2+2=5.

 

[Bearsfan1]

[quote name='Kid Chocolate'][quote name='BearsFan1'][quote name='Kid Chocolate'][quote name='BearsFan1']

[quote name='cpawfan']He is a Small Forward, not a Shooting Guard, but thanks for playing[/QUOTE]Apparently CBS thinks he is a SG as well. Could have sworn vince played the 3 for them. </p>

Espn has your back. </p>

NBA.com says he is a tweener.</p>

</p>

Bottom line:</p>

Vince plays the 3</p>

Kidd plays the 1</p>

Mikki Moore played the 4</p>

Jason Colins played the 5</p>

</p>

So where did RJ play . . . the . . .2 or SG position.</p>

[/QUOTE]</p>

</p>

Uh, no. VC played the 2, RJ the 3. RJ is a Small Forward, Vince a SG. </p>

Believe me, you've already lost this argument, don't even try to justify anything you said, this is the Nets forum, and I would think us Nets' fans know far more about our team than you do and will ever. </p>

[/QUOTE]Dont try and justify what i said? So, basically, you dont want to discuss, you just are right no sense in replying to your future posts? Alright. Well if close mindedness is your drink i hope that your cup runneth over. I wont bother justifying my comments to you anymore. Since you dont acutally want to discuss. Enjoy the NETS circle jerk you yearn for.</p>

[/QUOTE]</p>

</p>

I don't need to justify a comment that any basketball fan should know and does. You're post was utterly ridiculous and wrong. I don't know how you want me to prove it to you, as you already brought up the listed positions which are all pointless the moment RJ steps on the court and consistently plays the 3. Watch a Nets game and you will see that you are wrong and I am right. End of discussion. </p>

I don't care if you never respond to me again, all I've seen of you is that you have zany opinions on nearly everything and are possibly the biggest hater I've ever seen.</p>

</p>

Cheerio.</p>

[/QUOTE]</p>

***INSERT COMMENT HERE. ANY COMMENT. CONTINUE OBJECTIONS FOR NETS CIRCLE JERK***</p>

</p>

</p>

 

[Bearsfan1]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Dont try and justify what i said? So, basically, you dont want to discuss, you just are right no sense in replying to your future posts? Alright. Well if close mindedness is your drink i hope that your cup runneth over. I wont bother justifying my comments to you anymore. Since you dont acutally want to discuss. Enjoy the NETS circle jerk you yearn for.</p>

</div>What you are attempting to justify is as justifiable as blustering that 2+2=5.</div>And yet CBS.SPORTSLINE.COM lists RJ as a "SG" and vince carter as a "SF". </p>

FYI, if you use a different system of #s than base 10 you can have 2+2 = 5.</p>

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>



Dont try and justify what i said? So, basically, you dont want to discuss, you just are right no sense in replying to your future posts? Alright. Well if close mindedness is your drink i hope that your cup runneth over. I wont bother justifying my comments to you anymore. Since you dont acutally want to discuss. Enjoy the NETS circle jerk you yearn for.</p>

</div>
What you are attempting to justify is as justifiable as blustering that 2+2=5.
</div>
And yet CBS.SPORTSLINE.COM lists RJ as a "SG" and vince carter as a "SF". </p>

FYI, if you use a different system of #s than base 10 you can have 2+2 = 5.</p>

</div>
So in your world, cbs sportsline is the definitive,infallible source?</p>

And please show your math</p>

 

[Kid Chocolate]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Dont try and justify what i said? So, basically, you dont want to discuss, you just are right no sense in replying to your future posts? Alright. Well if close mindedness is your drink i hope that your cup runneth over. I wont bother justifying my comments to you anymore. Since you dont acutally want to discuss. Enjoy the NETS circle jerk you yearn for.</p>

</div>What you are attempting to justify is as justifiable as blustering that 2+2=5.</div>And yet CBS.SPORTSLINE.COM lists RJ as a "SG" and vince carter as a "SF". </p>

FYI, if you use a different system of #s than base 10 you can have 2+2 = 5.</p>

</div></p>

</p>

http://www.sportsline.com/nba/teams/depth-chart/NJ</p>

</p>

Forward Richard Jefferson, who was coming off his two best consecutive games of the season -- 27 points and a season-high 35, both against Washington -- remains on a minutes restriction in back-to-back scenarios, coach Lawrence Frank said, "No more than probably 36, but probably the ideal thing is 34." </p><table border="0" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2" width="100%"><tbody><tr class="bg0" valign="top"><td colspan="3"><font>SPORTSLINE PLAYER RANKING</font></td> </tr> <tr class="bg2"> <td align="left">Small Forwards: 38</td> <td align="left">Overall: 174</td></tr></tbody></table>

http://www.sportsline.com/nba/players/playerpage/240295</p>

</p>

Say what CBS.Sportsline.com?</p>

 

[CelticKing]

I see RJ as a small forward, and Vince as a shooting guard.

 

[TheBeef]

^{<font size="1">Does it really matter if hes a bad shooting 2 or a bad shooting 3? I can settle this argument very easily....It doesnt matter from an offensive standpoint, but who does he guard?The opposing 2 or 3?</font>}</p>

 

[TheBeef]

by the way, for what its worth, NBA.com lists him as a Guard/Forward and lists Vince Carter as a Forward/Guard

 

[Petey]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>

^{<font size="1">Does it really matter if hes a bad shooting 2 or a bad shooting 3? I can settle this argument very easily....It doesnt matter from an offensive standpoint, but who does he guard? The opposing 2 or 3?</font>}</p>

</div></p>

Jefferson usually guards the better offensive player, of the 2 or 3 on the other team.</p>

-Petey </p>

 

[TheBeef]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>

^{<font size="1">Does it really matter if hes a bad shooting 2 or a bad shooting 3? I can settle this argument very easily....It doesnt matter from an offensive standpoint, but who does he guard? The opposing 2 or 3?</font>}</p>

</div></p>

Jefferson usually guards the better offensive player, of the 2 or 3 on the other team.</p>

-Petey </p>

</div></p>

My point exactly....the Nets approach is to use an ambigious positional lineup that has him playing some 2 and some 3....half the websites ive gone too have listed him as a guard and half as a forward....if he went to any of the other teams in the league, they would start him in either the 2 or the 3, based on who else they had....in Denver hes a 2(assuming Iverson starts at the 1)....In Orlando hes a 2....in LA, hes a 3....in Cleveland hes a 3....its kind of a dumb technicality to call someone on when we are all striving to build a community of open discussion</p>

 

[TucsonClip]

If you had to define a position for Jefferson it would be SF. Regardless of the system or what each individual website states, Richard Jefferson is a SF in basketball terms.

 

[Petey]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>

^{<font size="1">Does it really matter if hes a bad shooting 2 or a bad shooting 3? I can settle this argument very easily....It doesnt matter from an offensive standpoint, but who does he guard? The opposing 2 or 3?</font>}</p>

</div></p>

Jefferson usually guards the better offensive player, of the 2 or 3 on the other team.</p>

-Petey </p>

</div></p>

My point exactly....the Nets approach is to use an ambigious positional lineup that has him playing some 2 and some 3....half the websites ive gone too have listed him as a guard and half as a forward....if he went to any of the other teams in the league, they would start him in either the 2 or the 3, based on who else they had....in Denver hes a 2(assuming Iverson starts at the 1)....In Orlando hes a 2....in LA, hes a 3....in Cleveland hes a 3....its kind of a dumb technicality to call someone on when we are all striving to build a community of open discussion</p>

</div></p>

Due to RJ's size and the decreasing size of other PFs, he had guarded the 4. That doesn't make him a 4. At times the Nets also rotate were Kidd guards the best offensive players out of the 1, 2 or 3, RJ would guard the 2nd, and Carter guarding the worst. Doesn't make Kidd a shooting guard or small forward either.</p>

On all star ballots submitted by the Nets, Jefferson has always been listed as a forward. And with Carter as a guard (though with the Raptors, Carter was listed as a forward, why he may be listed as such on websites).</p>

-Petey</p>

 

[TheBeef]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TucsonClip)</div><div class='quotemain'>If you had to define a position for Jefferson it would be SF. Regardless of the system or what each individual website states, Richard Jefferson is a SF in basketball terms.</div></p>

</p>

and yet he regularly defends 2s, half the websites list him as a 2, and hes the classic tweener....in the end, it doesnt matter, its not even relevant to the conversation, which began as critisism toward his outside game....Im not attacking his outside game at all, I dont know enough about him to fight that fight either way, but BF1 made a direct challenge to his game and no one has defended him, they have only changed the subject, so until I hear some evidence that BF1 is wrong, Ive been inflenced to think that RJ cant shoot and only scores when Kidd sets him up with a perfect run at the basket....if thats not correct, perhaps one of the 97 Nets fans we have here could correct this instead of arguing whether he plays the 2 or the 3....
</p>

 

[Petey]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TucsonClip)</div><div class='quotemain'>If you had to define a position for Jefferson it would be SF. Regardless of the system or what each individual website states, Richard Jefferson is a SF in basketball terms.</div></p>

</p>

and yet he regularly defends 2s, half the websites list him as a 2, and hes the classic tweener....in the end, it doesnt matter, its not even relevant to the conversation, which began as critisism toward his outside game....Im not attacking his outside game at all, I dont know enough about him to fight that fight either way, but BF1 made a direct challenge to his game and no one has defended him, they have only changed the subject, so until I hear some evidence that BF1 is wrong, Ive been inflenced to think that RJ cant shoot and only scores when Kidd sets him up with a perfect run at the basket....if thats not correct, perhaps one of the 97 Nets fans we have here could correct this instead of arguing whether he plays the 2 or the 3....</p>

</div></p>

Defining his position and role are important. As a shooting guard he would have a horrid outside game. As a SF, it's passable/inconsistent. </p>

Though to be fair he really has never been in a role to improve his outside shooting, as Kidd, and Carter play more out there, even Collins and Krstic like to play away from the basket, hence the higher FG% of Jefferson's compared to other 2/3s in the league.</p>

-Petey</p>

 

[TucsonClip]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>and yet he regularly defends 2s, half the websites list him as a 2, and hes the classic tweener....in the end, it doesnt matter, its not even relevant to the conversation, which began as critisism toward his outside game....Im not attacking his outside game at all, I dont know enough about him to fight that fight either way, but BF1 made a direct challenge to his game and no one has defended him, they have only changed the subject, so until I hear some evidence that BF1 is wrong, Ive been inflenced to think that RJ cant shoot and only scores when Kidd sets him up with a perfect run at the basket....if thats not correct, perhaps one of the 97 Nets fans we have here could correct this instead of arguing whether he plays the 2 or the 3....</div>
Well just because he defends the2 doesnt make him a 2. Shawn Marion defends 1-5 and he isnt listed as a PG or C.</p>

</p>

As far as the topic about RJ not improving, I think he is a much better shooter than he was in college or as a rookie (not saying he is a good shooter). His handles were very weak coming into the NBA and he has improved his handles. As for not being able to create his own shot, I think he has proven he can create his own shot. When Kidd and VC were hurt two years ago I believe, RJ took over the scoring and did just fine creating his own shot. Even when Kidd is on the bench or in foul trouble Jefferson is sometimes left to man the 2nd unit and serve as the primary scorer. He hasnt shown a vast improivement in the areas he isnt as skilled at, but he has progressed enough where he can create his own shot and hit the jumper if needed.</p>

 

[Bearsfan1]

[quote name='cpawfan'][quote name='BearsFan1'][quote name='cpawfan'][quote name='BearsFan1']

Dont try and justify what i said? So, basically, you dont want to discuss, you just are right no sense in replying to your future posts? Alright. Well if close mindedness is your drink i hope that your cup runneth over. I wont bother justifying my comments to you anymore. Since you dont acutally want to discuss. Enjoy the NETS circle jerk you yearn for.</p>

[/QUOTE]What you are attempting to justify is as justifiable as blustering that 2+2=5.[/QUOTE]And yet CBS.SPORTSLINE.COM lists RJ as a "SG" and vince carter as a "SF". </p>

FYI, if you use a different system of #s than base 10 you can have 2+2 = 5.</p>

[/QUOTE]So in your world, cbs sportsline is the definitive,infallible source?</p>

And please show your math</p>

[/QUOTE]</p>

Exactly, CBS sportsline is my definitive infallable source. Thats why i also mention ESPN had it the other, and NBA com had them as tweener. I provided the other sources to just for the heck of it. That is why there is a disclaimer at the end of that post that says. Depsite the other 2 sources i have listed that say i am wrong, i only trust CBS sportsline and no other source. You sure showed me. Way to point out how i had one definitive source, and listed the other places that had me being wrong as "false" or untrue sources. </p>

 

[Kid Chocolate]

[quote name='BearsFan1'][quote name='cpawfan'][quote name='BearsFan1'][quote name='cpawfan'][quote name='BearsFan1']

Dont try and justify what i said? So, basically, you dont want to discuss, you just are right no sense in replying to your future posts? Alright. Well if close mindedness is your drink i hope that your cup runneth over. I wont bother justifying my comments to you anymore. Since you dont acutally want to discuss. Enjoy the NETS circle jerk you yearn for.</p>

[/QUOTE]What you are attempting to justify is as justifiable as blustering that 2+2=5.[/QUOTE]And yet CBS.SPORTSLINE.COM lists RJ as a "SG" and vince carter as a "SF". </p>

FYI, if you use a different system of #s than base 10 you can have 2+2 = 5.</p>

[/QUOTE]So in your world, cbs sportsline is the definitive, infallible source?</p>

And please show your math </p>

[/QUOTE]</p>

Exactly, CBS sportsline is my definitive infallable source. Thats why i also mention ESPN had it the other, and NBA com had them as tweener. I provided the other sources to just for the heck of it. That is why there is a disclaimer at the end of that post that says. Depsite the other 2 sources i have listed that say i am wrong, i only trust CBS sportsline and no other source. You sure showed me. Way to point out how i had one definitive source, and listed the other places that had me being wrong as "false" or untrue sources. </p>

[/QUOTE]</p>

</p>

I'm sorry. I just realized what we are dealing with (<font color="#0000ff">Edited by TheBeef,Lets focus on the topic and not each other</font>). Next time I'll lay out my posts in simpler terms.</p>

 

[Petey]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>Exactly, CBS sportsline is my definitive infallable source. Thats why i also mention ESPN had it the other, and NBA com had them as tweener. I provided the other sources to just for the heck of it. That is why there is a disclaimer at the end of that post that says. Depsite the other 2 sources i have listed that say i am wrong, i only trust CBS sportsline and no other source. You sure showed me. Way to point out how i had one definitive source, and listed the other places that had me being wrong as "false" or untrue sources.</div></p>

I think those sites have him listed as a guard due to the minutes he played with the Nets his rookie year, when they had him come off the bench as a 6th, 7th or 8th option (with Collins, and Harris). They through out a starting unit of Kidd, Kittles, KVH/Martin, Martin/KVH and TMac. His limitations shooting is why he's not a shooting guard.</p>

http://www.82games.com/0607/0607NJN2.HTM</p>

This is a much more detailed site in minutes on the court and with what unit.</p>

His 2nd most listed position is PF, when the Nets went small.</p>

Good site, covers all the teams, goes 20 units deep for each team, ranks the +/- of each unit on the floor for every team. Covers other things like charges drawn, most potent pairs, points in the paint, 24 second violations, etc etc, stuff not found on the major sports site.</p>

-Petey</p>

 

[cpawfan]

For those that just don't get it, please take a look at the link Kid Chocolate posted</p>

http://www.sportsline.com/nba/teams/depth-chart/NJ</p>

If you are going to believe sportsline, then you have a conflict.</p>

As for the statement that it doesn't matter what position he plays. Yes it does. BearsFan1's argument was so horrid and off base that there is no point in addressing the opinion part of because the simplest fact is wrong </p>

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Exactly, CBS sportsline is my definitive infallable source. Thats why i also mention ESPN had it the other, and NBA com had them as tweener. I provided the other sources to just for the heck of it. That is why there is a disclaimer at the end of that post that says. Depsite the other 2 sources i have listed that say i am wrong, i only trust CBS sportsline and no other source. You sure showed me. Way to point out how i had one definitive source, and listed the other places that had me being wrong as "false" or untrue sources. </p>

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Classic case of blustering instead of addressing the points. </p>

CBS sportsline lists RJ as a SF on the Nets depth chart, lists him as a SF in their fantasy ratings and calls him a Forward in their news, yet you want to claim CBS sportsline calls him a SG. They do in one spot, but list him as a SF the majority of the time.</p>

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And I'm still waiting for you to show your math on your other ridiculous statement</p>

 

[TheBeef]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>

And I'm still waiting for you to show your math on your other ridiculous statement</p>

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dont test him on the math thing....I once saw him prove that 0 and 1 were the same number and he was right....</p>