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Phatguysrule said:
That's what I've been advocating for. What you are advocating for (waiting for the people to to get fed up) is going to wind up as violence.
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Pelosi's husband took a hammer to the skull and she STILL CAME BACK.

Think about that for a second.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Who was it that voted to give Hillary control over the DNC leading up to the 2016 election?
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Money talks. Hillary funded the DNC, Bernie didn't. Hillary also had multiple allies in the DNC, Bernie didn't.

Big surprise, the DNC was more interested in doing what Hillary wanted than what Bernie wanted.

Bernie played the game well, but not well enough. He didn't get the necessary votes - not from the DNC, but from actual voters. Bernie lost.

Then, with Hillary completely out of the picture in 2020, and having the benefit of seeing in hindsight what happened in 2016, Bernie lost again.

Sometimes our favored candidates don't win. In fact they usually don't.

barfo
 
Phatguysrule said:
That's what I've been advocating for. What you are advocating for (waiting for the people to to get fed up) is going to wind up as violence.
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I don't think I've advocated for waiting for anything. We collectively have the power, and have always had the power, to change things.

barfo
 
barfo said:
I don't think I've advocated for waiting for anything. We collectively have the power, and have always had the power, to change things.

barfo
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People don't collectively do anything gracefully. They follow somebody who is a leader or some emotional trigger.

You blaming the voters is exactly you advocating for waiting for a revolution.
 
AmirIcon said:
How are voters supposed to make an educated vote when the DNC is pulling the strings in the media? That's how they stopped Bernie and a primary. That's how they force fed us Hilary and Biden and convince people like you to repeat nonsense like "blue no matter who" and "Biden doesn't have cognitive issues, it's just his stuttering."
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Do you really think information about candidates is unavailable to voters?
How is it that you know things? Are you just parroting the DNC party line yourself?
If not, do you have some secret source of information that no one else has? Why won't you share it with others?

Voters have plenty of ways to educate themselves, if they actually wanted to.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Money talks. Hillary funded the DNC, Bernie didn't. Hillary also had multiple allies in the DNC, Bernie didn't.

Big surprise, the DNC was more interested in doing what Hillary wanted than what Bernie wanted.

Bernie played the game well, but not well enough. He didn't get the necessary votes - not from the DNC, but from actual voters. Bernie lost.

Then, with Hillary completely out of the picture in 2020, and having the benefit of seeing in hindsight what happened in 2016, Bernie lost again.

Sometimes our favored candidates don't win. In fact they usually don't.

barfo
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Gosh, it's almost like we need the Democrats to do something... I feel like I've heard somebody say that...

So once again, We need the Democrats to focus on the things that Bernie was focusing on.
 
Phatguysrule said:
People don't collectively do anything gracefully. They follow somebody who is a leader or some emotional trigger.

You blaming the voters is exactly you advocating for waiting for a revolution.
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Oh, I agree, voting is not graceful. It's a dirty, messy process, but that's what I'm advocating for.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Oh, I agree, voting is not graceful. It's a dirty, messy process, but that's what I'm advocating for.

barfo
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You lost. We lost. The guy everyone called an existential crisis, Donald Trump, is receiving fist bumps from the likes of Schumer and hosts from MSNBC.

Keep at it. Maybe you'll get there.
 
barfo said:
Do you really think information about candidates is unavailable to voters?
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Yes.

How is it that you know things?
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I'm interested and I'm on the younger side.

Are you just parroting the DNC party line yourself?
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How does that make sense? I've been accused of being a Trump supporter?

If not, do you have some secret source of information that no one else has? Why won't you share it with others?
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Who told you that I won't share it with others?

Voters have plenty of ways to educate themselves, if they actually wanted to.

barfo
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You say that and then you go off repeating false narratives and lies that the mainstream news put into your head. Proving my actual point...
 
AmirIcon said:
Yes.
I'm interested and I'm on the younger side.
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Being on the older side mostly doesn't prevent people from getting information.
The point about being interested though - that's the key point that I've been trying to make. People should be interested.

How does that make sense? I've been accused of being a Trump supporter?
Who told you that I won't share it with others?
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My point was just that if you can get information, so can other people. If they are interested.

You say that and then you go off repeating false narratives and lies that the mainstream news put into your head. Proving my actual point...
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And what would these 'false narratives' be exactly? That people should vote if they want to change things?

barfo
 
AmirIcon said:
As if people haven't been trying already while thousands die each year from the healthcare system, homelessness and the pollutants put into our foods because industries have successfully lobbied the Democratic party to allow them to.
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Complaining isn't the same thing as trying.

"Trying non-violent options first." Ha. As if people haven't been trying for decades.
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Complaining isn't the same thing as trying.

I'm not suggesting it, I'm merely telling it like it is. The establishment ain't giving you anything. You have to rip it away from them. That's just being realistic.
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And I'm saying we have the power to rip it away. Without violence.

Unless the left finds their own Trump. Jon Stewart, come on down!
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Getting a more charismatic candidate is a bit of a short-term solution, because it just reinforces the idea that voters don't need to pay any attention, just vote for whoever catches their eye.

barfo
 
barfo said:
The point about being interested though - that's the key point that I've been trying to make. People should be interested.
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Why be interested? Voting for Biden just gave us Trump again.

Most people didn't notice much difference.

I can't convince my kids to care about climate change because they don't believe there is anything they can do. They will vote for the right policies but it won't matter. Because so many others will not. And even of they did, the policies would just be half measures that the corporations who wrote the policy dressed up as climate friendly.

This is how they have been conditioned their whole lives.
 
barfo said:
Complaining isn't the same thing as trying.



Complaining isn't the same thing as trying.



And I'm saying we have the power to rip it away. Without violence.



Getting a more charismatic candidate is a bit of a short-term solution, because it just reinforces the idea that voters don't need to pay any attention, just vote for whoever catches their eye.

barfo
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What we need is a more charismatic leader to help us change things long enough that we can start educating the population.

No leader is going to solve everything.
 
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SlyPokerDog said:
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And the the US spends as much TAX MONEY per capita on healthcare as Canada spends on ALL healthcare costs (public and private) per capita.

And the US gets worse outcomes...

For profit health insurance needs to go away.
 
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Strenuus said:
Thank God I care about people. If you voted for Trump, you don't.

That is a fact, not an opinion.
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Speaking of healthcare, don’t break your arm patting yourself on the back.

Pretending Trump is somehow responsible for this, or democrats and any interest whatsoever in improving it is beyond delusional. It must be convenient to have a scapegoat for literally everything.
 
jonnyboy said:
Speaking of healthcare, don’t break your arm patting yourself on the back.

Pretending Trump is somehow responsible for this, or democrats and any interest whatsoever in improving it is beyond delusional.
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We got the Heritage Foundation derived Obamacare. Democrats and Republicans figure that's all we need. We should just feel lucky we have that.

That's why any talk of anything better went away as soon as Bernie was no longer a threat.
 
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