Looks like Batum is the backup a SF....
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Webster is awesome, but lets not kid ourselves..... Batum >>> Webster
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I have yet to see anything that proves Batum ">>>" Webster.
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Once again, I'm waiting for the Roy/Web/Batum backcourt to be unveiled at some point soon.
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Batum is a way better on the ball defender, Webster would never be able to guard Tony Parker....
Batum
FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT%
161 361 .446 62 168 .369 42 52 .808
Webster
FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT%
123 305 .403 63 165 .382 54 72 .750
Looks like webster isnt really the better shooter either
Batum
FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT%
161 361 .446 62 168 .369 42 52 .808
Webster
FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT%
123 305 .403 63 165 .382 54 72 .750
Looks like webster isnt really the better shooter either
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Roy/Batum/Web will never happen with Blake/Miller/and Rudy getting the minutes and Bayless as well, although, he will be limited when they return. And yeah, how is Batum >>> than Webster? Webster's defense is equally as good as Batum's and is a much better shooter than Batum. Webster is also a rebounding machine.
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With the numbers above u cant really say he is a better shooter, He "should" be a better shooter....
Batum is a better defender. Just my opinion i guess
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Maybe so, even then Batum is not ">>>" than Webster. Maybe to some he is better, but it isn't by a lot. The numbers may look better for Batum, but the scouts show Webster can shoot when given the open look so his man cannot cheat off of him as much. This happened a lot last year, Batum's man cheated off of him to help double Roy or Oden or whoever and Batum would get the wide open look and he would hit it at times, but usually he wasn't all that great as a shooter. Webster seems to be getting to the rim a little better as well and even though I have no idea if Batum has that in him or not he still hasn't personally shown he can do it yet at the NBA level. We will see.
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Webster just drives me crazy. the guy was the 6th pick, this is what is 4th acutal full season? and the fact that we are even comparing him to Batum who was a young young rookie last year is concerning.
I kinda have given up on webs, but i like what he is doing, Batums upside is all star level stuff....
BTW all this means really is that Outlaw should be traded/released/cut/waived or whatever haha
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I think the kid drove all of us crazy. One night he will go off and we think he is coming into his own except when the next night comes he just... sucks, to put it nicely. Lately he has been a little more consistent and even though he shot fairly awful he still was a threat on offense and of course, his defense was superb. Batum's potential could be higher than Webster, but Webster could still turn out to be better than Batum whether that is because he just elevates his game even more or Batum doesn't exactly pan out. For a 6th pick he is not what we wanted him to be, but you cannot get everything. I am looking forward to seeing how he does on LeBron in the next game, that may be telling of where he is at.
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I see potential problems with lebron, and im not trying to be biased against webster...but lebron is different body than kobe, he is strong, very strong. Should be interesting... to bad i dont have tix to that game
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I don't think it is being biased, you could very much be right. However, after tonights performance you would have to think Webster will be up for the challenge. Obviously LeBron will get his, that is a given. But will he do it on a fairly effiecient night without any problems from Webster and/or Roy or will he have a Kobe night and get his on a terrible shooting night? We shall see. I sure hope Webster can step up again, we will need it!
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If Webster and Batum play together I think it'll be at the 3/4 rather than the 2/3.
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I agree. Not because the latter wouldn't work, but because Nate would never do it and we have too many guards as is.
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Batum is better than Webster. Martell has played very well in the last few games, but he is not quite as good of an on the ball defender as Batum, I don't think he is as good of a passer either.
Webster can shoot, but so can Batum.
What is obvious is that both are a lot better than Travis.
Webster can shoot, but so can Batum.
What is obvious is that both are a lot better than Travis.
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Two young developing sf's that both show lots of promise. Luckily for us we have both of them and in an odd way even more beneficial for them is that one seems to be injured while the other one gets big minutes so far these last two years.
Batum is raw but gifted. Having Webster injured last year was a blessing for him. If that hadn't happened I'm not sure we'd be talking about who is better.
Webster couldn't have stepped into a better situation when Batum and Outlaw both went down. He's learning that he can contribute through rebounding and defense when his shot isn't falling.
Debating who is or will be better is a little premature when we still don't know what the true potential is of either of them.
Batum is raw but gifted. Having Webster injured last year was a blessing for him. If that hadn't happened I'm not sure we'd be talking about who is better.
Webster couldn't have stepped into a better situation when Batum and Outlaw both went down. He's learning that he can contribute through rebounding and defense when his shot isn't falling.
Debating who is or will be better is a little premature when we still don't know what the true potential is of either of them.
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yet they both are career 37% 3 point shooters.
Defensively? Neither is "great"... one is good and one okay when his shot is falling.
No. The only time these two could match up on PFs is when the other team goes small and plays a SF at the 4. MW is 6'6 Batum 6'6.5 and both are pretty skinny.
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If Martell can keep playing at a level approximating what he's given in the past week or so, then sure you could say he's "better" than Nic, but without consistency he's just teasing us IMO. In any case I won't look a gift horse in the mouth; he's producing and finally playing like a 6th overall pick instead of the 60th.
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You are looking at it the wrong way, Webster's improvement is great for this team long team. I Webster/Batum combo is awesome and CHEAP for now and a few more years at least, especially as both these guys defend so well and Batum can play the 1-3. Keep in mind Batum is likely going to improve his offense a lot the next few years. Also I can see when we go small that Webs plays a little PF with Batum at SF. This also makse shoring up the PF/C position longer term the REAL key IMO gven the long term physical concerns of Oden/Pryz and Pryz's contract situation.
In addition even though we are short handed now a consolidation trade is going to have to be made near the deadline or this summer. With the Bayless emergence and Rudy and Nic due back soon we just have too many guys one or two of the expirings could be used with perhaps Rudy or another to perhaps go after a quality PF/C which would be ideal for this team.
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so you're siting what you said in training camp and not last week when you were adamant that Webster sucks? and now you're gloating that you were right?
whatever dude
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While it IS widely considered that Nic is the better defender of the two, you really have to give Webster his due for the way he's been playing D this year. I'm not so sure that either player is THAT much better than the other at this point. Right now, though, it's Webster's job to lose considering that it's going to take Batum some time to get back to being his normal self.
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When we were talking about this back at training camp, I made the point that last year, Batum averaged about 2 points per game. That is also one of the reasons we lost in the playoffs to Houston. You can't go against a good defensive team in the playoffs with only 2 scoring options in your starting lineup. They will take your number 1 and 2 option away. Then if you have no 3rd option, you are screwed. Martell not only defends, Martell has been scoring lately. Even when Martell was scoring in his 3rd year he was averaging 5 times as many points per game as Batum.
The facts are if Batum wants to start he will have to pick up his scoring. Not that I think he can't do it, but he needs to show us something first. He had a very good summer scoring and playing out of position in the Euro Tournaments this year, so I think he can.
Now that being said, with Martell playing as good as he has, you don't jerk this kid around. I flat out can't believe how well he has been playing. He had like 3 or 4 20 point games in a row. We have waited so long for this kid to have confidence, we can't afford to shatter it just to make some folks happy as to who starts.
We don't win that game last night without the D Martell played on Kobe. No ifs, ands or butts.
The facts are if Batum wants to start he will have to pick up his scoring. Not that I think he can't do it, but he needs to show us something first. He had a very good summer scoring and playing out of position in the Euro Tournaments this year, so I think he can.
Now that being said, with Martell playing as good as he has, you don't jerk this kid around. I flat out can't believe how well he has been playing. He had like 3 or 4 20 point games in a row. We have waited so long for this kid to have confidence, we can't afford to shatter it just to make some folks happy as to who starts.
We don't win that game last night without the D Martell played on Kobe. No ifs, ands or butts.
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dont apologize all the time it makes you look weak.
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This.
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Yeah, MIXUM, you've been a real Webster supporter all season. Here are a few highlights from some of your posts on the topic:
You must think that we have short memories around here and that this forum doesn't have a search function.
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