Losing weight

[MickZagger]

What is the theory with this?

What do you mean theory?

Doctor ordered it for major surgery tomorrow.

 

[blazerboy30]

What do you mean theory?

Doctor ordered it for major surgery tomorrow.

Oh sorry. I was thinking this was one of these new diet tricks.

 

[Masbee]

The bolded paragraphs above: Are you recommending that more as a way to lose weight, or just in general for everyone for health reasons? I mean, you say to not eat Milk, Butter, Cheese, or white Bread, Pasta, Rice, and Potatoes, and animal products and red meat... I guess my question is, what does a typical week of eating consist of for you? Since in my world you just cut out basically everything except fruits and vegetables. And there's no way I'm only eating fruits and vegetables the rest of my life.

Who said "only"?

Eating this way is for health AND losing weight.

The problem with most weight loss diets is that they focus on how to restrict calories, reducing the amount of quality nutrients that are consumed, which usually were inadequate before the calorie restriction. A dieter's belly may be full, but their body is "starving", malnourished of nutrients. The body starts getting cravings that overcome the willpower of most and thus is why most dieting fails in the long run. You eat an eat and eat as your body demands nutrients it isn't getting from the low nutrient, high calorie foods.

Even the more sensible diet plans that have you eat veggies run into nutrient problems long-term if they allow refined carbs and daily meat consumption. You cannot get enough quality vitamins, minerals, micronutrients, anti-oxidants, when low nutrient, dense calorie food crowds out consumption of the good stuff.

Think of it as fuel for your body. Unless you are already sick, you can put in some poor quality fuel if most of the fuel is high quality. If the fuel is mostly poor quality, in the long-run the results won't be pretty.

Click on this link to see:
http://www.drfuhrman.com/

You can eat almost anything. You just vary the amounts based on the quality of nutrition per calorie. The food pryamid of nutrition/calorie is almost the exact opposite of the standard American diet. And that is the problem. People think about the meat first, and the veggie is a "side" dish. That's backwards, even for meat eaters. And our diets are loaded with processed grains, oils, sugars, excess salt, hidden fats, fried food, etc. There is near consensus that those items should be consumed only in very limited amounts.

Forget Dr. Furhman for a second, right now, the stardand recommendation by the mainstream (check out WebMD, NYTimes, CNN, Mayo Clinic, etc.) is: Eat a variety of foods in a variety of colors, avoid junk food and overly processed foods, limit added fats, and your plate should look like this: 50% vegetables; 25% whole grain; legumes and/or potato; 25% high quality protein. High quality protein being defined in this case as the "better" class of animal products; fish, lean poultry, eggs, non-fat dairy.

If you want to improve your diet without going crazy, start there. After all, it is nothing more than the standard, mainstream, recommended diet.

 

[Masbee]

If you are trying to lose weight for looks and / or athletic purposes, that is more difficult. You have to find the right nutrition and workout combination for your goals. Do NOT go the vegan or vegetarian route. You can't train hard or perform well on those diets.

And you know this how?

Jack LaLane.

I know I mentioned his name before.

There was a cover story in Willamatte Week on vegan bodybuilding. Look it up.

 

[44Thrilla]

I would rather die right now than give up meat.

 

[MickZagger]

And you know this how?

Jack LaLane.

I know I mentioned his name before.

There was a cover story in Willamatte Week on vegan bodybuilding. Look it up.

They must be in their own seperate league of bodybuilding. I doubt a vegan bodybuilder can compete with a bodybuilder doing it the traditional way.

 

[blazerboy30]

And you know this how?

From 20 years of competitive endurance training and racing. Good luck completing in an elite level triathlon without having processed foods at some point. I'd love to see it, especially in races where support vehicles are prohibited. It doesn't work.

Jack LaLane.

I know I mentioned his name before.

There was a cover story in Willamatte Week on vegan bodybuilding. Look it up.

1 example doesn't prove anything. In the real world we have to deal with generalities, not corner cases.

 

[Masbee]

From 20 years of competitive endurance training and racing. Good luck completing in an elite level triathlon without having processed foods at some point. I'd love to see it, especially in races where support vehicles are prohibited. It doesn't work.

I don't understand your point here.

How did vegan = processed? We are talking vegan. Vegan and processed mean two different things.

1 example doesn't prove anything. In the real world we have t[o deal with generalities, not corner cases.

Jack LaLane isn't the only one, he is just a guy who has been promoting eating veggies and working out for so many decades before the science caught up to his wisdom.

To see examples of vegan athletes click on this:
http://www.veganfitness.net/viewtopic.php?t=723

Why aren't there more?

Because just like non athletes there are few vegans to begin with in the population. And, in order to train hard and be a vegan you have be a "healthy" vegan, not a junky foods vegan. So many vegans don't eat an excellent, they become serious competitiors and then are told or feel they must eat animal products to make up for their poor nutrient choices.

Most coaches don't know any better and give bad advice. Thus the cycle of misinformation is perpetuated.

Leading nutritionists Dr. Doug Graham, Rozalind Gruben, Dr. Ruth Heidrich and Dr. Rick Dina will join the athletes in explaining the science of vegan nutrition. Dr. Graham, who has trained many Olympic caliber athletes, explains: "Every nutrient known to be essential for human health is available, in proper concentration, in plant foods. This is not so with animal-based foods, as there are many essential nutrients totally absent in them."

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/26480.php

A lacto-ovovegetarian diet can provide all the nutrients required for optimal health. Anecdotal reports suggest that many successful endurance athletes are vegetarians whereas few reports suggest that elite strength athletes follow a vegetarian diet. Strength and power athletes almost invariably include meat in their diets, although it is unclear whether the benefits of meat consumption for strength and power are real or imagined.

This from 2002.
http://www.sportsci.org/jour/0201/cf-e.htm

http://www.veganfitness.net/viewtopic.php?t=723
List of vegan athletes, including endurance sports:
Scott Jurek winner of 24 Ultramarathons
NYTimes Article about Jurek
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/13/sports/13runner.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss&pagewanted=all
Brendan Brazier, winning Ultramarathonner
Has published books on Vegan-based training nutrition
http://www.brendanbrazier.com/book/index.html


Here is an explanation from a TriAthlete of the specific nutrition requirements for athletes:
http://www.trifuel.com/training/health-nutrition/triathlon-nutrition-vegetarianism

There are numerous myths associated with the consumption of a vegetarian diet. In particular, vegetarian triathletes are thought to be deficient in protein, iron, or other nutrients that can easily be obtained from meat. Allow me to be the first to dispel these types of folklores. Vegetarian triathletes can obtain all of the necessary nutrients to adequately fuel the body for hours of training and racing. In fact, a vegetarian diet may be more appropriate for triathletes because of their necessity to consume a large percentage of calories from carbohydrates. A vegetarian diet has also been associated with numerous health benefits,....
Conclusion
Many people in our meat-based society will continue to perceive the vegetarian diet as inadequate.

Perception does not equal realty.

Check your assumptions.

 

[blazerboy30]

I don't understand your point here.

How did vegan = processed? We are talking vegan. Vegan and processed mean two different things.

Ok. Swap "processed" for "vegan" in my post above, and my point still stands.

 

[Denny Crane]

A vegan diet is supposed to be the best for a person's health. I don't want to give up meat, so it's not for me. I do like a lot of vegetables in my diet anyhow.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I like to take a 5-6 mile walk (and 80-100 swings) 3 times a week.


That's exercise right?

 

[barfo]

I like to swing 3 times a week.


That's exercise right?

Sure, it is definitely heart healthy.

barfo

 

[maxiep]

I like to take a 5-6 mile walk (and 80-100 swings) 3 times a week.


That's exercise right?

Let me get this straight: You walk 2.5 to 3 miles to a bar, take 80-100 swings at a drunk and then walk home? That sounds like a workout BenDavis503 constructed.

 

[BrianFromWA]

spend some time on a heavy bag. It's embarrassing to have to take 100 swings to put a couple of bums down.

 

[Masbee]

Ok. Swap "processed" for "vegan" in my post above, and my point still stands.

Which point is that?

That you are behind the times with new science?

Look, its ok to admit that you don't really know and you don't care to research and find out.

But to claim something that has no current support just because "we do it this way" is pretty close minded.

If you are not going to read the stuff (sounds to me like you didn't even read in depth on any of the provided links) and do the research, don't make pronouncements.

 

[Masbee]

A vegan diet is supposed to be the best for a person's health. I don't want to give up meat, so it's not for me. I do like a lot of vegetables in my diet anyhow.

I am not a vegan either.

 

[Rodolfo]

A good rule of thumb, since we're on healthy consumption. Drink half you body weight in ounces of WATER everyday. example: if you weigh 180lbs., drink 90 ounces of water everyday.

 

[Masbee]

A good rule of thumb, since we're on healthy consumption. Drink half you body weight in ounces of WATER everyday. example: if you weigh 180lbs., drink 90 ounces of water everyday.

Ha ha.

No.

 

[Rodolfo]

Ha ha.

No.

Are you afraid you'll be peeing all day? Try it for a week and see how you feel.

 

[mook]

But after an extensive search in 2002 for the origins of what is commonly referred to as the "8 x 8" guideline and a review of associated health claims, he reports finding no scientific evidence supporting the notion that healthy individuals need to consume large quantities of water. In 2008 Dan Negoianu and Stanley Goldfarb reviewed the evidence for the Journal of the American Society of Nephrology. They came to a similar conclusion: "There is no clear evidence of benefit from drinking increased amounts of water."

In fact, Valtin found that the 8 x 8 guideline may have originated from a misunderstanding. In 1945 the Food and Nutrition Board, now part of the National Academy of Sciences's Institute of Medicine, suggested that a person consume one milliliter of water (about one fifth of a teaspoon) for each calorie of food. The math is pretty simple: A daily diet of around 1,900 calories would dictate the consumption of 1,900 milliliters of water, an amount remarkably close to 64 ounces. But many dieticians and other people failed to notice a critical point: namely, that much of the daily need for water could be met by the water content found in food.

The Board revisited the question of water consumption in 2004. Its panel on "dietary preference intakes for electrolytes and water" noted that women who appear adequately hydrated consume about 91 ounces (2.7 liters) of water a day and men about 125 ounces (3.7 liters). These seemingly large quantities come from a variety of sources—including coffee, tea, milk, soda, juice, fruits, vegetables and other foods. Instead of recommending how much extra water a person should drink to maintain health, the panel simply concluded that "the vast majority of healthy people adequately meet their daily hydration needs by letting thirst be their guide."

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=eight-glasses-water-per-day

Personally, I find that if the piss is clear, have no fear. Piss is yellow, drinks some water fellow.

 

[RoyToy]

Giving up meat is just insane. I can't fathom it.

If you want an extreme workout that will whip you into shape, read up on crossfit. The LBs and fat will fly off you in just a month.

 

[mook]

Btw--since I decided to switch my diet up, I've pretty much given up on all but half a cup of instant coffee a day. I drink between three and four cups of chai tea with some splenda in it instead. Some decaf, some caffeinated. Usually about 16oz mugs, so they're pretty watered down.

I gotta say, I feel more alert and calm since I switched up. You start reading up on the health benefits of tea vs coffee, and it seems like tea is definitely the preferred drink (particularly green). But there are also benefits to drinking coffee in moderation.

 

[blazerboy30]

Ha ha.

No.

For how much you claim to know about nutrition, healthy eating and training, you must be quite the physical specimen.

 

[blazerboy30]

Giving up meat is just insane. I can't fathom it.

If you want an extreme workout that will whip you into shape, read up on crossfit. The LBs and fat will fly off you in just a month.

I like crossfit, but my problem with it is that the workouts are so short. Obviously it depends what the goals are, but I don't really consider crossfit getting you "in shape".

 

[RoyToy]

I like crossfit, but my problem with it is that the workouts are so short. Obviously it depends what the goals are, but I don't really consider crossfit getting you "in shape".

Well then you've never done crossfit.

 

[andalusian]

I drink between three and four cups of chai tea with some splenda in it instead.

No numerical evidence here - just anecdotal data, but I would go light there on the Splenda. Was using it exclusively for a while and had pretty bad stomach aches - switching back to sugar seemed to have fixed the problem. I am a bit suspicious of all these no-calories engineered sweeteners... - I know that there are studies that did not find any statistical correlation to risk with it - but my personal experience was different.

I guess that the "everything in moderation" rule of thumb could still apply.

 

[blazerboy30]

Well then you've never done crossfit.

Uh, yeah. Like I said, it depends on your goals. I invite you come do some workouts after using crossfit as your training. You might make it 20 minutes in, since that is what crossfit will prepare you for.

 

[Masbee]

For how much you claim to know about nutrition, healthy eating and training, you must be quite the physical specimen.

Typical.

Once you fail to support your opinions that lack up-to-date nutrition science backing, after you fail to open your mind to other possiblities so you can maintain confience in your hardened postion, start making ad hominen attacks.

I could be 500lbs with an inability to walk 10 feet.

It wouldn't change the facts.

It wouldn't change the science.

 

[mook]

No numerical evidence here - just anecdotal data, but I would go light there on the Splenda. Was using it exclusively for a while and had pretty bad stomach aches - switching back to sugar seemed to have fixed the problem. I am a bit suspicious of all these no-calories engineered sweeteners... - I know that there are studies that did not find any statistical correlation to risk with it - but my personal experience was different.

I guess that the "everything in moderation" rule of thumb could still apply.

Yeah, I actually use the 50:50 splenda/sugar blend. Straight splenda just tastes too foul for me. About a half teaspoon of that per drink is more than enough. So I guess with four of those I have one teaspoonful of actual splenda a day. Pretty negligible.

 

[RoyToy]

Uh, yeah. Like I said, it depends on your goals. I invite you come do some workouts after using crossfit as your training. You might make it 20 minutes in, since that is what crossfit will prepare you for.

This just isn't true. Sorry.

What workouts are you talking about?