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If Portland is keeping Caleb. Why? With Henderson back at some point. Would it not make sense to put up Love as a trade possibility? Too many guards?
 
Dame and Jrue are going on 36 years old. They aren't going to be fully healthy. They will miss games. Scoot has shown he will miss games as well. Nothing wrong with keeping Caleb and not too many guards at all. The question is would Caleb want to sign on a long-term deal knowing there are 3 other point guards in front of him.
 
Sheldon Shape said:
Dame and Jrue are going on 36 years old. They aren't going to be fully healthy. They will miss games. Scoot has shown he will miss games as well. Nothing wrong with keeping Caleb and not too many guards at all. The question is would Caleb want to sign on a long-term deal knowing there are 3 other point guards in front of him.
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Ok. But as you said, Caleb could sign elsewhere for bigger bucks if his play continues. Waiting, they could lose him and value. Nobody knew he was this good.
 
If everyone is healthy, and there's a log jam at PG, I'd look into what we could get for Jrue. Meanwhile, we should hang onto Love until the end of the season and make the qualifying offer. Having lots of options and possible trades is a good problem to have.
 
If I was the GM, I'd always be open to offers for any of my players & Caleb has shown himself to be worthy of a commitment from a team. It's nice to have options. That said, Caleb isn't a natural PG in his play style but he is traditional PG sized. Going forward, his career projects best on a team playing along with one of those rarest of unicorns, a larger distributor... like Deni

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Keep in mind keeping Love will eat into a good portion of whatever exception(s) we have this offseason. I would totally do it, but we are going to have a log jam next year at guard.

I do not see Jrue getting dealt. The value won't be there and he is a perfect fit next to Dame.

Scoot needs to come back and show he can play. Maybe some team still has high hopes for him.
 
JfizzleBlazer said:
Keep in mind keeping Love will eat into a good portion of whatever exception(s) we have this offseason. I would totally do it, but we are going to have a log jam next year at guard.

I do not see Jrue getting dealt. The value won't be there and he is a perfect fit next to Dame.

Scoot needs to come back and show he can play. Maybe some team still has high hopes for him.
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Huh? Why do you expect Dame to ever be close to the Dame we fondly recall ever again? He's coming back from an injury that has taken down many younger players before him. How about we don't put the cart before the horse on expectations of him post injury? The chances of a young player coming back from a bad hammy are much better then an old player coming back from a ruptured/torn achilles no matter how much fans are rooting for the old guy

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STOMP said:
Huh? Why do you expect Dame to ever be close to the Dame we fondly recall ever again? He's coming back from an injury that has taken down many younger players before him. How about we don't put the cart before the horse on expectations of him post injury? The chances of a young player coming back from a bad hammy are much better then an old player coming back from a ruptured/torn achilles no matter how much fans are rooting for the old guy

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Of course. I've said this take probably 5 times and this is the only time I didn't mention ONLY if Dame looks 85% of what he once was. If he looks nothing like what he was, you obviously keep Scoot.

I'm of the mindset that I want one consolidation trade to bring in another star player (again, as long as Dame looks like he will recover at a high rate).

Dame, Jrue, Camara, Deni, Sharpe and a star (like Bam) would get me super excited for next year.
 
85% of a 36 year old Dame can't create his own shot. If that turns out to be so, he's a poor man's prime Steve Kerr. Wipe away the nostalgia, everyone bows to father time.

Maybe some team still has high hopes for Scoot following an injury that shouldn't affect a 22 year old (his age next season) long term? Unless there is some behind the scenes stuff that gives the team legit pause, I sure hope that team is the PTB. Every player deals with injury but the meat of his promising career is still before him.

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MickZagger said:
I think a lot of people are forgetting the strides that Scoot was showing towards the end of last year.

He has way more potential and is still so young for a PG
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You have to give up things in order to get a star at another position.

We have Love, Jrue and Dame at PG. Jrue can obviously backup Sharpe too.

I wouldn't just give Scoot away. But I sure as he'll would if it meant we get someone like Bam.
 
I just think the whole premise of the thread is invalid.

Love is a 2 way guy that is earning a full roster spot and might get a raise in the summer. These are the type of players you want as 3rd string on your team. Can play minutes if needed but get pushed to the end of the bench if out played by others. These are never the types of players teams add for future trade value. If that happens then that's fine, but no that was never a plan.

Scoot has been injured a ton but way higher potential. Sure if we can get a great starter consider trading him but that seems somewhere between unlikely to unrealistic - so let's just enjoy him coming back and hope for the best.

Plenty of room for both of them on a 15 man roster. What happens to one has nothing to do with the other.
 
Love has been a very pleasant surprise as an undrafted rookie. But he's no Scoot. As I said, the real question is Blake Wesley vs. Love, which is basically defense vs. offense. Love gives us a pleasant flurry of three pointers when he's on, but that will be Dame's job soon (and possibly Scoot's, if his strides in shooting hold up). Nobody else provides the PG defense that Wesley provides.

(Also: Love is 2 years and 4 months older than Scoot.)
 
The other thing: we shouldn't assume that other teams value Scoot very much given his injury history. So it's not a case of "Keep Love and get a STAR for Scoot". If Scoot comes back and blows everyone away, then maybe. But if that happens, I imagine people will have forgotten about Love.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Love has been a very pleasant surprise as an undrafted rookie. But he's no Scoot. As I said, the real question is Blake Wesley vs. Love, which is basically defense vs. offense. Love gives us a pleasant flurry of three pointers when he's on, but that will be Dame's job soon (and possibly Scoot's, if his strides in shooting hold up). Nobody else provides the PG defense that Wesley provides.

(Also: Love is 2 years and 4 months older than Scoot.)
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I’m not knocking Love but is it fools gold and he’s going to come crashing back down to his normal shooting splits? He’s definitely a chucker who at times can really light it up but in my mind Scoot has ten times the potential as Love. No way do I think it’s a battle between Scoot and Love
 
Bunch of players on last year.
I wonder how love performs in practice sessions?

Not sure I resign Ryon.
 
Love, as a 24 year old rookie, is quite a bit better than Scoot was, as a 19 year old rookie

Scoot, at 20 in his 2nd year, is a bit better than Love as a 24 year old rookie

Love, in January, is the best version of all of those but the sample size is way too small to trust
 
Hoopguru said:
Bunch of players on last year.
I wonder how love performs in practice sessions?

Not sure I resign Ryon.
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Agreed. Im thinking that Rupert will be cut & likely re-signed on a 2way contract (if management is still holding out hope of him developing)

In theory, he can sign a 1.5 yr deal (until summer 2027) so Portland can maintain his control
 
I think Scoot is one of the players on the roster who can deal with physical play like we saw last night.
Especially where just getting any bucket at all is at a premium.
He's got a very wide and solid body for his height.

Here are some plays he made against the Knicks last year that I don't think anyone else on the team could make, or wouldn't likely try.

Scoot takes full advantage of the lack of calls on palming the ball. It's just the modern NBA, it's not just him.

(video is forwarded to 1:00)

 
weaponsgrade said:
Ok. But as you said, Caleb could sign elsewhere for bigger bucks if his play continues. Waiting, they could lose him and value. Nobody knew he was this good.
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I think there is a good chance we lose him no matter what. I think his agent will advise him not to sign anything until summer when he has more choices as far as money and playing opportunities.
 
blazerfan11 said:
I think Scoot is one of the players on the roster who can deal with physical play like we saw last night.
Especially where just getting any bucket at all is at a premium.
He's got a very wide and solid body for his height.

Here are some plays he made against the Knicks last year that I don't think anyone else on the team could make, or wouldn't likely try.

Scoot takes full advantage of the lack of calls on palming the ball. It's just the modern NBA, it's not just him.

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I agree and by the way last nights game was extremely physical both sides
 
Keep Love no matter what. Two old $80m annual salaries aren’t getting traded and out for a season with hammy injury scoot aren’t reliable
 
blazerfan11 said:
I think Scoot is one of the players on the roster who can deal with physical play like we saw last night.
Especially where just getting any bucket at all is at a premium.
He's got a very wide and solid body for his height.

Here are some plays he made against the Knicks last year that I don't think anyone else on the team could make, or wouldn't likely try.

Scoot takes full advantage of the lack of calls on palming the ball. It's just the modern NBA, it's not just him.

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That carry at around 2:30 is about the most flagrant I've ever seen LOL
 
blazerfan11 said:
I think Scoot is one of the players on the roster who can deal with physical play like we saw last night.
Especially where just getting any bucket at all is at a premium.
He's got a very wide and solid body for his height.

Here are some plays he made against the Knicks last year that I don't think anyone else on the team could make, or wouldn't likely try.

Scoot takes full advantage of the lack of calls on palming the ball. It's just the modern NBA, it's not just him.

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That first highlight where it just completely messes up Mitchell Robinson is fantastic.

I think people forget that Scoot is a pass-first PG whose career-high is 39 points. I think Shaedon's career-high is 37, and he's a scorer. Scoot's career 3P% is higher than Shaedon's, too.

The other thing about Scoot is just how good he is on defense. He's not Camara when it comes to drawing fouls on screens. Instead, screeners seldom get a good hit on Scoot because he's got such good feet and navigates screens so well.

Also, to his physical strength. One of SGA's pet moves is to drive and deliver a jolt to keep the defender from being able to jump up and contest his jumper just below the elbow, and then he elevates and hits it consistently (and sometimes even draws the foul). There was a game where Scoot forced him into I want to say three misses late in the 4Q because Scoot's so physically strong that SGA couldn't knock him back. SGA had to settle for shots about a foot further back than he usually takes them, which threw him off and forced the misses.
 
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