Again. Your opinion on this is noted because again it is purely an opinion.
Makes sense. I just can't see a more likely way to do it.
Understood. I'd love to hear about alternative options?
chauncey made a big fuss about bringing in winning guys. laughable comments at this point. with where they are on this full on tank, he should just not speak too many platitudes about winning and winning culture, etc.
Trading CJ, Powell, and RoCo for actual talent would have been nice. Though i know that ship has sailed.
Who was going to give up valuable players that helped us win on the court this year for them, when teams are acquiring them to try to win now?
Ant + Hart.
I've not seen any scenerio in which we could have gotten better fits or talant in return for those guys. So we'd just be running it back rather than competing.
I'm gonna let this play out. Because i seriously got nothing!
Mid market championship contenders are almost exclusively built through the draft (at least, to start).
I was specifically talking about the coaches and normalizing losing. These next 15-20 games are opportunities for them to build their strengths. What are they learning from teaching 20 yr olds how to play when we'll have a largely veteran roster next year? Billups is already showing signs of favoring teaching young guys to play HIS way rather than adapting to his roster's strengths.
I actually agree with you there. I just don't see it in this draft and the players they got are too far away from becoming serious contenders from what i see.
No question they quit last night.
They need solid picks for a few years, but then you advocated us making the playoffs, which removes one of those assets from us. That doesn't make much sense to me. To limp in to the playoffs, likely get throttled in round 1, and then you miss out on a draft pick this season, when it gives us an additional good asset to use, whether in the draft or trade, to try to put the right pieces around Dame and Nurk and Ant. It doesn't JUST have to be looking at this draft, and not seeing a specific guy that helps immediately, though it can be. Other teams are rebuilding all the time, and liable to send players our way that would fit us better for that lottery pick. It's better than saying we'll trade you one in 2 years.
Agreed. It's not likely to get us a championship. But it does get us closer to competing if we do need to *trade* Dame.
Milwaukee traded for essentially everyone on their team except for Giannis.
But it started in the draft with Giannis, and they had the best record in the league with the guys they drafted multiple times.
not really. it was pretty much always just giannis and a bunch of guys they traded for, but i get your point.
Mid market teams do not have a disadvantage in the trade market. If you can explain to me why that's your opinion, I would appreciate it.
well you don't see guys like AD or Kawhi asking to be traded to Memphis or Sacramento.
Because all stars and their agents typically want to go to large markets, and they express that desire when they are being shopped.
The only place Kawhi was ever traded as far as I know was Toronto, which I don't consider to be a market that has an advantage over us. AD is a good example but besides sign and trades which I consider a different market than just trades, it just doesn't happen often that any team has an inherent advantage when it comes to the trade market. Weird things happen like Jerry West leaving the Lakers to run the Grizzlies and then giving the Lakers a very favorable deal soon after. So there are situational advantages teams can have but I just don't see media market size being an advantage/disadvantage in the NBA trade market. Free agency for sure and that's a big deal, a huge disadvantage but small market teams like ourselves build championships through the draft and trades because those are the areas of acquisition that are an even playing field.
Yeah, I'm not saying they were built on tanking, but via the draft. And getting lucky is part of that.
If we could have offered better than James Harden to the Sixers, they would have sent Simmons to us. I guess a small advantage is when trading for a star towards the end of a contract, the more desirable markets would have a better chance of retaining a player that they trade for. Teams will cave on trade demands if a player is willing to play like shit or sit but those players have not historically had much say in where they are going. AD seems to have gone where he wanted to but I don't remember him demanding a trade there. LeBron demanded that the Lakers got AD for him and the Lakers paid big time for that trade. They in no way got a discount because they play in LA. Ball, Ingram, Hart and all of those picks... one of which was the number 4 pick in that draft. That's a fucking haul for a superstar.