Lowry or Crittenton?

[Netted]

Apparently Memphis was offering the Nets choice of either Lowry or Crittenton in a S&T for Nenad. They are obviously shopping one of them.

If you had a choice of either one who would you choose?

 

[Chutney]

Lowry's shown more at the NBA level, but I like Crittenton's potential. He was starting to show something before the Lakers lucked into that Pau Gasol trade.

 

[pegs]

Lowry. He's the better backup, all-around IMO. I thought he was great in college, too.

Then again, I haven't ever been able to watch much of Crittenton.

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 29 2008, 10:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Apparently Memphis was offering the Nets choice of either Lowry or Crittenton in a S&T for Nenad. They are obviously shopping one of them.

If you had a choice of either one who would you choose?</div>

I don't know anything about Crittenden. Lowry I think is really short, plays tenacious defense, and has not much offensive game. I'd probably choose to keep the rights to Nenad. Neither Lowry or Crittenden would ever be anything more than a ten-minute-a-night backup, and I'm not sure how much of an upgrade either would be over Hodge.

 

[reganomics813]

Lowry, no contest.

 

[FOMW]

I don't really have an opinion on which of those two I'd take, as I haven't seen much at all of Crittenton. But the fact that the Nets wouldn't trade for either tells me they must really think it's just a matter of Nenad getting his head right, not the knee itself. The team clearly needs a genuine point guard on the roster, and here they had a chance at one of two young prospects and turned it down. They must feel like a year or two in Moscow is just what the doctor ordered for Krstic.

 

[Netted]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Jul 29 2008, 11:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't really have an opinion on which of those two I'd take, as I haven't seen much at all of Crittenton. But the fact that the Nets wouldn't trade for either tells me they must really think it's just a matter of Nenad getting his head right, not the knee itself. The team clearly needs a genuine point guard on the roster, and here they had a chance at one of two young prospects and turned it down. They must feel like a year or two in Moscow is just what the doctor ordered for Krstic.</div>
I think the Nenad deal fell apart for many reasons not just because the Nets didn't one one of those guys.

I'm just curious on opinions regardless of a Nenad trade. Assuming one of the two could be had, which one?

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Jul 29 2008, 10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't really have an opinion on which of those two I'd take, as I haven't seen much at all of Crittenton. But the fact that the Nets wouldn't trade for either tells me they must really think it's just a matter of Nenad getting his head right, not the knee itself. The team clearly needs a genuine point guard on the roster, and here they had a chance at one of two young prospects and turned it down. They must feel like a year or two in Moscow is just what the doctor ordered for Krstic.</div>

roster space was certainly part of the equation.

 

[ghoti]

Crittenton is higher risk/higher reward. Lowry is a sure bet to contribute for a long time, but his ceiling is significantly lower. I'd gamble on Crittenton, but I like them both a lot.

 

[ghoti]

They should have made this deal. If Nenad regains his form, he'll still be risky and he'll also be expensive. Now is the time to sign him (which would cost a lot and be ill-advised) or move on.

 

[Netted]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 29 2008, 11:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Crittenton is higher risk/higher reward. Lowry is a sure bet to contribute for a long time, but his ceiling is significantly lower. I'd gamble on Crittenton, but I like them both a lot.</div>
Pretty much what I was thinking. It's a tough call because Lowry gives you something now, but Crittenton has more upside.

 

[Netted]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 29 2008, 11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>They should have made this deal. If Nenad regains his form, he'll still be risky and he'll also be expensive. Now is the time to sign him (which would cost a lot and be ill-advised) or move on.</div>
I'm fine with how it went down. Even if he is risky and more expensive down the road, he'll also be more valuable in a S&T. Hopefully between Yi, Lopez, and Anderson the Nets won't need Nenad and they can get even more value back in a S&T. If none of those guys develop, and they need Nenad, then he is worth the risk at that stage.

 

[FOMW]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jul 29 2008, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Jul 29 2008, 10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't really have an opinion on which of those two I'd take, as I haven't seen much at all of Crittenton. But the fact that the Nets wouldn't trade for either tells me they must really think it's just a matter of Nenad getting his head right, not the knee itself. The team clearly needs a genuine point guard on the roster, and here they had a chance at one of two young prospects and turned it down. They must feel like a year or two in Moscow is just what the doctor ordered for Krstic.</div>

roster space was certainly part of the equation.
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There's no limit on the number of people they can carry on the roster during the summer, correct? They would have had the same issue had Nenad agreed to play for the QO. They've also stated repeatedly that more moves are coming to reduce (and add to) the roster. So I'm not sure how swapping Krstic for a guard would have changed that.

 

[Netted]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 29 2008, 11:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Crittenton is higher risk/higher reward. Lowry is a sure bet to contribute for a long time, but his ceiling is significantly lower. I'd gamble on Crittenton, but I like them both a lot.</div>
Do you swap Swat for Crittenton? Basically the #17 pick in 2007 draft for the #19 pick.

Tough call. I think if I could throw in Ager for Lowery as well I think you do it, but I don't think Memphis gets rid of both.

 

[JCB]

Lowry in a heartbeat.

 

[ghoti]

The Nets would have gotten a good young player that fills a need and Memphis would assume the risk and deal with cap holds and roster maneuvers and such. Memphis may get a good deal for Nenad in the end, but If I were the Nets I would have taken the out.

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Jul 29 2008, 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jul 29 2008, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Jul 29 2008, 10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't really have an opinion on which of those two I'd take, as I haven't seen much at all of Crittenton. But the fact that the Nets wouldn't trade for either tells me they must really think it's just a matter of Nenad getting his head right, not the knee itself. The team clearly needs a genuine point guard on the roster, and here they had a chance at one of two young prospects and turned it down. They must feel like a year or two in Moscow is just what the doctor ordered for Krstic.</div>

roster space was certainly part of the equation.
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There's no limit on the number of people they can carry on the roster during the summer, correct? They would have had the same issue had Nenad agreed to play for the QO. They've also stated repeatedly that more moves are coming to reduce (and add to) the roster. So I'm not sure how swapping Krstic for a guard would have changed that.
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I continue to be convinced that they had no intention of taking him back.

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 29 2008, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Nets would have gotten a good young player that fills a need and Memphis would assume the risk and deal with cap holds and roster maneuvers and such. Memphis may get a good deal for Nenad in the end, but If I were the Nets I would have taken the out.</div>

I agree with Netted--if Nenad plays well, they will just S&T him next year, and get more value back.

 

[ghoti]

Didn't he sign a two year deal? Crittenton might be a star in two years. If I didn't like the players offered, I 'd agree, but those two are exactly what I think the Nets need.

 

[Petey]

Grizzles have cap space right?

So we would had gotten a TE?

Would had been kinda nice to watch Krstic and Darko together... they should had been paired up on the Nets long ago.

-Petey

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 29 2008, 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Didn't he sign a two year deal? Crittenton might be a star in two years. If I didn't like the players offered, I 'd agree, but those two are exactly what I think the Nets need.</div>

it seems like nenad can opt out after one year if he has the opportunity to return to the NBA, but who knows.

 

[ghoti]

I bought UEFA 2008 for PS3. I play it all the time. I know FIFA 2009 will be better. I could have waited until October and saved 50 bucks, but I would have missed out on a lot of enjoyment. That's how I see this deal.

 

[Petey]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 29 2008, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I bought UEFA 2008 for PS3. I play it all the time. I know FIFA 2009 will be better. I could have waited until October and saved 50 bucks, but I would have missed out on a lot of enjoyment. That's how I see this deal.</div>

... w/ your enjoyment being the end result/goal. that is much easier to satisfy, compared to winning a title. The team could had been better with Lowry or Crittenton, but would it had even made this squad a playoff team? I don't think so.

I think not pulling the trigger on such a move made sense, even if the Nets can't get something for Krstic 2 years from now.

-Petey

 

[Netted]

You may have your wish Ghoti.

Saw this in Hoopsworld:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hoopsworld)</div><div class='quotemain'>Nenad's new deal does have some buyout language and there is talk that New Jersey is working on a deal with the Memphis Grizzlies to trade his rights, a move that will help Memphis reach the NBA minimum in terms of salary, as the qualifying offer sheets count against the cap.</div>
Didn't know you could trade rights. Seems Memphis needs the salary.

 

[Petey]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 29 2008, 11:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You may have your wish Ghoti.

Saw this in Hoopsworld:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hoopsworld)</div><div class='quotemain'>Nenad's new deal does have some buyout language and there is talk that New Jersey is working on a deal with the Memphis Grizzlies to trade his rights, a move that will help Memphis reach the NBA minimum in terms of salary, as the qualifying offer sheets count against the cap.</div>
Didn't know you could trade rights. Seems Memphis needs the salary.
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I know you can trade rights to unsigned drafted players... ie Marc Gasol from the Lakers to the Grizzles.

I didn't know you could trade rights in this manner.

I'm not sure this works.

-Petey

 

[ghoti]

Guys like Lowry make decent teams playoff teams all the time. Crittenton has star potential. The Nets need a young PG. Either would definitely be a stride towards a title once the centerpiece (whoever that is) emerges.

 

[ghoti]

I asked about trading his rights and everybody said no!

 

[Petey]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 29 2008, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Guys like Lowry make decent teams playoff teams all the time. Crittenton has star potential. The Nets need a young PG. Either would definitely be a stride towards a title once the centerpiece (whoever that is) emerges.</div>

The Nets aren't even a decent team. Gotta get that centerpiece first, and build around it. Not other way around.

-Petey

 

[FOMW]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 29 2008, 11:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I asked about trading his rights and everybody said no!</div>

That'll teach you!

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Jul 29 2008, 11:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 29 2008, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Guys like Lowry make decent teams playoff teams all the time. Crittenton has star potential. The Nets need a young PG. Either would definitely be a stride towards a title once the centerpiece (whoever that is) emerges.</div>

The Nets aren't even a decent team. Gotta get that centerpiece first, and build around it. Not other way around.

-Petey
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I think they'll be better than you think.