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The only person here trying to control speech is you. You have a lot of rules for what words and symbols should mean, and it makes you mad that people don't follow your rules.

There are a few hundred million native English speakers. I don't think you are going to win these battles, but do carry on.

barfo
I'm not controlling speech. These aren't rules. Research it yourself though I'm sure you would find some spin on it considering you think even Hillary Clinton did nothing wrong. I agreed with the whole article except the beginning because it's just not true. I guess you would rather just label people alt right off a fucking meme though. Makes sense though I will never forget the time you labeled a few others and I alt right in a post. All I had to do was straighten you out and link you a post I had, a negative one on Donald trump. Man, did you back track fast, tail tucked between your legs.
 
Nazi nazi nazi everywhere is becoming ridiculous. I couldn't for the life of me figure out what was going on. I get the old redneck looking cousin fuckers wearing black vests and Wrangler jeans.

The young kids is what I didn't understand and now I do. They've gotten bored of their mom's basements and want to fuck around.

One kid in a video I saw wearing a Kekistan flag on his clothes was supposedly Jewish. These kids just don't care about what race or religion people are they just wanna fuck with people.

I totally get it too because of my wonder years playing BF3 on PlayStation 3.

The hate mail I got trolling people was epic. I didn't know any of those people but killing them over and over in different ways was just so fun.

My friends and I would often pick someone to knife as much as possible before the match started.

I'll never forget choosing a guy named Slashin Jews....we knifed and teabagged this guy over and over...... We felt like heroes.
Yeah there is a level of trolls. They are the extreme level. They can do funny shit sometimes but for the most part I don't agree with their behavior. They kinda just don't care and want to get anybody worked up in any way they can. Talking about 4chan and the kekistan movement of course. Check this out, I found this one quite funny. 4chan convinced people this sign meant white power. They even got some media to cover it and journalists reacting. It was pure trolling. Buzzfeed is pretty garbage but they cover the gist of it. Of course they throw in "the trump internet" though these trolls have no affiliation. At this moment in time it's just easy to offend people on the left so that's what they do

https://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbern...te-symbols-and?utm_term=.frNa1eeXE#.kiJbNWWgm


4chan also managed to find Shia labeoufs anti trump flag in the middle of no where based off flight patterns in the sky

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/...ood-thing-pulls-off-the-heist-of-the-century1
 
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I'm not controlling speech. These aren't rules. Research it yourself though I'm sure you would find some spin on it considering you think even Hillary Clinton did nothing wrong. I agreed with the whole article except the beginning because it's just not true. I guess you would rather just label people alt right off a fucking meme though. Makes sense though I will never forget the time you labeled a few others and I alt right in a post. All I had to do was straighten you out and link you a post I had, a negative one on Donald trump. Man, did you back track fast, tail tucked between your legs.

Your memory is incorrect, I labeled you a trump fan in that thread, not alt right. Or are you saying there's no difference?

What you don't know is that the local sheriff asked me to quit toying with you that night, so I did.

Seriously, I do not think you are alt-right.

You do repeat their talking points however, so I think you are a tool of the alt-right. Is that better?

barfo
 
Your memory is incorrect, I labeled you a trump fan in that thread, not alt right. Or are you saying there's no difference?

What you don't know is that the local sheriff asked me to quit toying with you that night, so I did.

Seriously, I do not think you are alt-right.

You do repeat their talking points however, so I think you are a tool of the alt-right. Is that better?

barfo
I got under your skin already. How could you let some stupid 25 year old do this to a wise old man? Lol
 
I got under your skin already. How could you let some stupid 25 year old do this to a wise old man? Lol

I fully support your decision to be a troll, but even that takes practice.

barfo
 
A couple of thoughts.

I think @Cippy91 is partially correct. There are many non-racist users and uses for Pepe. However there is a significant swath of alt-righters who have corrupted this meme and use it for hateful and racist propaganda.

The problem is that this is how alterations occurs to our lexicon anc general zeitgeist. There is a scale that tips with language and once that at scale reaches a tipping point the meaning of a word changes. Two examples from this thread. 1) the rainbow Nazi flag - not used or seen often enough to alter the meaning of the rainbow flag or the Nazi Symbols. 2) the Swastika - was a peaceful Hindu symbol but used to such extremes that it has indelibly been moved to represent racism and Nazis. The question is, had the Pepe meme tipped the lexicon scale? That's debatable but I think it has. Just the simple fact that most of us know that it is used in racism (even if that's only some of the time) elucidates a shift in meaning. You can fight against that shift as some have with terms like "fag" or "retard" but you will end up judged according to the prevailing definition and not ones own intent.

The second thing I wanted to point out is this is not a freedom of speech issue. If I judge you as wonderful, racist, humorous or ignorant based on your use of a word or meme, I am not having the government impede your right to say such a term.
 


That looks like the city of Portland flag.

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That looks like the city of Portland flag.

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That does not represent the city of Portland, it is just an innocent humorous flag that people can fly for any of several purposes. I grew up in Flag culture and you can't convince me otherwise.

barfo
 
That does not represent the city of Portland, it is just an innocent humorous flag that people can fly for any of several purposes. I grew up in Flag culture and you can't convince me otherwise.

barfo

False Flag! :MARIS61:
 
That does not represent the city of Portland, it is just an innocent humorous flag that people can fly for any of several purposes. I grew up in Flag culture and you can't convince me otherwise.

barfo

Jet fuel can't burn flags!

 
A couple of thoughts.

I think @Cippy91 is partially correct. There are many non-racist users and uses for Pepe. However there is a significant swath of alt-righters who have corrupted this meme and use it for hateful and racist propaganda.

The problem is that this is how alterations occurs to our lexicon anc general zeitgeist. There is a scale that tips with language and once that at scale reaches a tipping point the meaning of a word changes. Two examples from this thread. 1) the rainbow Nazi flag - not used or seen often enough to alter the meaning of the rainbow flag or the Nazi Symbols. 2) the Swastika - was a peaceful Hindu symbol but used to such extremes that it has indelibly been moved to represent racism and Nazis. The question is, had the Pepe meme tipped the lexicon scale? That's debatable but I think it has. Just the simple fact that most of us know that it is used in racism (even if that's only some of the time) elucidates a shift in meaning. You can fight against that shift as some have with terms like "fag" or "retard" but you will end up judged according to the prevailing definition and not ones own intent.

The second thing I wanted to point out is this is not a freedom of speech issue. If I judge you as wonderful, racist, humorous or ignorant based on your use of a word or meme, I am not having the government impede your right to say such a term.

The biggest difference I see, is that Pepe was not used in a negative context before, whereas homophobic terms or terms that are now deemed insensitive towards people with special needs were never considered innocent and comical. When someone says, "that's gay" they aren't saying it in a positive way. To them, gay = bad and that's how they're using the term.

At the same time, I always thought it was a little unfair that something so innocuous as a rainbow should have been conscripted as the universal symbol of homosexuality. If someone puts a rainbow flag outside of their house, what's the first thing you think of? I usually think that they're showing their support for gay rights, and while I'm totally on board with supporting gay rights, I think it sucks a little bit that something so universally loved as rainbows will now have an alternate political meaning.

Or Christians with their Jesus fish on their cars...

Similarly, I remember LA Raiders gear was banned from my schools because their gear was widely used by gang members.... in fact I think it was mostly just because of NWA, but still...... how shitty would it be if Blazers gear became a symbol of a gang or a hate group or a cult or something like that?

Can you imagine if the pinwheel became a symbol of something political? You just want to support your favorite team, and now if someone sees you wearing a pinwheel they're going to question if you actually support this other thing. Reminds me of red hats.... if you wore a red hat around election time, a lot of people automatically assumed you were wearing a MAGA hat... or that you supported trump. So now, if you wear a red hat, you have to worry that someone might jump you. I think it was TBPup who had a story about being hassled because he had a red hat on, and it was a Doernbecher hat no less.
 
The biggest difference I see, is that Pepe was not used in a negative context before, whereas homophobic terms or terms that are now deemed insensitive towards people with special needs were never considered innocent and comical. When someone says, "that's gay" they aren't saying it in a positive way. To them, gay = bad and that's how they're using the term.

At the same time, I always thought it was a little unfair that something so innocuous as a rainbow should have been conscripted as the universal symbol of homosexuality. If someone puts a rainbow flag outside of their house, what's the first thing you think of? I usually think that they're showing their support for gay rights, and while I'm totally on board with supporting gay rights, I think it sucks a little bit that something so universally loved as rainbows will now have an alternate political meaning.

So, you are saying gays aren't as popular as rainbows? Seems borderline homophobic.

Or Christians with their Jesus fish on their cars...

Fish aren't universally loved. Slimy, smelly things. I'm ok if Christians think that's a good comparison.

Similarly, I remember LA Raiders gear was banned from my schools because their gear was widely used by gang members.... in fact I think it was mostly just because of NWA, but still...... how shitty would it be if Blazers gear became a symbol of a gang or a hate group or a cult or something like that?

Can you imagine if the pinwheel became a symbol of something political? You just want to support your favorite team, and now if someone sees you wearing a pinwheel they're going to question if you actually support this other thing. Reminds me of red hats.... if you wore a red hat around election time, a lot of people automatically assumed you were wearing a MAGA hat... or that you supported trump. So now, if you wear a red hat, you have to worry that someone might jump you. I think it was TBPup who had a story about being hassled because he had a red hat on, and it was a Doernbecher hat no less.

We need to make the pinwheel logo the symbol used to identify rainbows. Then everyone will love the blazers.

barfo
 
So, you are saying gays aren't as popular as rainbows? Seems borderline homophobic.

Some gay people are obviously much more popular than rainbows....

Ellen?

Tim Gunn?

Tom Cruise?

But then there's some gay people that are much less popular than rainbows...

Milo Yiannopoulos?

Jeff Varner from Survivor?

Tom Cruise?

I just think everyone loves rainbows. I wish they didn't have any political meaning other than being super awesome.
 
That does not represent the city of Portland, it is just an innocent humorous flag that people can fly for any of several purposes. I grew up in Flag culture and you can't convince me otherwise.

barfo
Try harder
 
A couple of thoughts.

I think @Cippy91 is partially correct. There are many non-racist users and uses for Pepe. However there is a significant swath of alt-righters who have corrupted this meme and use it for hateful and racist propaganda.

The problem is that this is how alterations occurs to our lexicon anc general zeitgeist. There is a scale that tips with language and once that at scale reaches a tipping point the meaning of a word changes. Two examples from this thread. 1) the rainbow Nazi flag - not used or seen often enough to alter the meaning of the rainbow flag or the Nazi Symbols. 2) the Swastika - was a peaceful Hindu symbol but used to such extremes that it has indelibly been moved to represent racism and Nazis. The question is, had the Pepe meme tipped the lexicon scale? That's debatable but I think it has. Just the simple fact that most of us know that it is used in racism (even if that's only some of the time) elucidates a shift in meaning. You can fight against that shift as some have with terms like "fag" or "retard" but you will end up judged according to the prevailing definition and not ones own intent.

The second thing I wanted to point out is this is not a freedom of speech issue. If I judge you as wonderful, racist, humorous or ignorant based on your use of a word or meme, I am not having the government impede your right to say such a term.
I respect your opinion, at least you typed out a thoughtful response than a few others in here that would just like to throw out there that I'm "defending alt right"
 
This pretty lady explains some of this stuff

I would summarize that video as "hey, we aren't racist, we are just pretending to be racist, because irony". Trouble is, that gives lots of cover to people who actually are racist.

Where do you stop being ironically racist? Do you march with a tiki torch? Is it ok to gas a few million jews if you do it ironically?

barfo
 
I would summarize that video as "hey, we aren't racist, we are just pretending to be racist, because irony". Trouble is, that gives lots of cover to people who actually are racist.

Where do you stop being ironically racist? Do you march with a tiki torch? Is it ok to gas a few million jews if you do it ironically?

barfo
Didn't do your research I take it.
 
Why? You don't.

barfo
You can't seem to comprehend there are groups that really hate PC culture. Being told what they can and can't say. That's part of the reason trump won, and it's why these trolls exist. It's easy to get your type worked up over some words. Not because they truly believe wat they are saying, because you are so wrapped up in an ideology, you can't even think of any other way. So yes, you should be trying harder.
 

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