Make or break for Nate?

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Camby isn't the tallest center in NBA history, so we may as well just start Mills there.

It's true that neither Rick nor Sloan has won and NBA title. That doesn't change the fact that their post-season records are better than Nate's.

Or does thinking Nate isn't the greatest coach in the league make me a "hater", or just a heretic?
 
How is this blind Nate-hate? I'm simply asking if people think this is make-or-break for him? I didn't say, "if we lose, fire Nate." I'm simply saying that I will be watching him closely to see what his game plan is for the Mavs and how he adjusts to Rick Carlisle.

He's been ousted two years in a row in the first round. Whether or not you think he was at least partially to blame for those losses, it still puts pressure on him to get out of the first round. I was unhappy with the adjustments he made last year and I'm curious to see how he does against Dallas. I think Nate is to be commended for his work during the season, absolutely, and I think it's amazing what he's been able to do with what he has. Unfortunately the NBA isn't about the regular season or the Cavs would have two or three championships locked up. This isn't the same sad-sac team from earlier in the season. We have G Wallace, Camby is back, and Roy is back (in about as good of health as he will be). We got an ideal matchup for this roster and now is probably one of our best chances to get out of the first round.
 
I agree that we have a great chance at advancing, but I don't see PA and the front office making this a referendum on Nate's tenure here. Honestly, I think he's done a great job this year, maybe from another year of experience...maybe b/c of the different assistants....maybe b/c of the "talks" Canzano gave him early in the season
I thought about this as McMillan confronted me, and took the time to try and understand where I was coming from when I wrote the column. I also realized that the Blazers coach has done some deep thinking this offseason, and was bothered by the assertion that he was outcoached.

I told McMillan that I was impressed how he used Andre Miller to exploit the Suns in Game 1. And gave Gentry considerable credit for his decision in Game 2 to put Grant Hill on Miller. The trouble I had, mostly, with McMillan in the season-ending series is that he failed to counter-adjust.

He had Nicolas Batum on the much shorter Steve Nash, but the Blazers didn't commit to using Batum to post up Nash. McMillan said, "I thought about doing that during the game, but we hadn't done that all season." And he's right. But it was the only real mismatch short-handed Portland had, and the Blazers didn't attempt to exploit it.

Phoenix smothered Lamarcus Aldridge, and locked up Miller with Hill. Game over. Granted, the Blazers were injury plagued, including being without a healthy Roy. So Gentry had it easier. Still, I felt he had the better series.

More than 5 months later, McMillan wanted to know why.

Pride is what's buried much deeper in all of this. Because I spent about 10 minutes in McMillan's office, some of it with him at the grease board diagramming plays and with me jotting down notes. And by the end of our discussion, what I realized more than anything is that McMillan badly wants to win, and understand himself, and get better.

As I've said many times before, I've met Nate more than once and each time I've come away liking him personally more than the last time. But as an x's-and-o's coach, he'd made some very questionable moves in the past, or didn't make moves that seemed to be almost common sense. This year, though, he's been at the helm of a team that is getting more baskets at the hoop, less reliant on isolations and long jumpers, more takeaways and fastbreak opportunities, and getting LMA onto the block and abusing other teams' bigs. He went another year without his #1-pick-franchise-center, had his all-star hobbled for most of the year, and regardless of how it turns out he made it to the playoffs.
 
I agree that we have a great chance at advancing, but I don't see PA and the front office making this a referendum on Nate's tenure here. Honestly, I think he's done a great job this year, maybe from another year of experience...maybe b/c of the different assistants....maybe b/c of the "talks" Canzano gave him early in the season


As I've said many times before, I've met Nate more than once and each time I've come away liking him personally more than the last time. But as an x's-and-o's coach, he'd made some very questionable moves in the past, or didn't make moves that seemed to be almost common sense. This year, though, he's been at the helm of a team that is getting more baskets at the hoop, less reliant on isolations and long jumpers, more takeaways and fastbreak opportunities, and getting LMA onto the block and abusing other teams' bigs. He went another year without his #1-pick-franchise-center, had his all-star hobbled for most of the year, and regardless of how it turns out he made it to the playoffs.

I'm definitely not questioning the guys character, nor am I questioning his desire to win or his ability to motivate his players. It's definitely his X's and O's and he hasn't shown a knack for out-coaching his opponents in the playoffs. At some point I would like to have a coach who can get the job done. If it's Nate, awesome, if not... I'd rather find out sooner than later.
 
I agree with most that this series isn't a make it or break it series for Nate, but I disagree if we get swept in 4 being blown out by 40 each game it would have no effect on his job. I know that is a bit of a exaggeration, but a sweep and none of the games being competitive would I think leave Nate on shakey ground.
 
I agree with most that this series isn't a make it or break it series for Nate, but I disagree if we get swept in 4 being blown out by 40 each game it would have no effect on his job. I know that is a bit of a exaggeration, but a sweep and none of the games being competitive would I think leave Nate on shakey ground.

The next coach to get fired before coaching one game of the extension he got the season prior, will be the first.
 
I'm just curious if people think his job will be in jeopardy if we are swept...

I'm just wondering if you are crying right now because Nate got a deserved extension. I'll never forget that you're the guy who posted that part of you hoped the Blazers would tank last year so you could be "right" about Nate. THAT was weak stuff, Nate. It made me think that you aren't a true fan of the Blazers, and are more concerned about being 'right'.
 
I pray Nate ends up as the Lakers next head coach!!! That would make up for it all!!!
 
I'm just curious if people think his job will be in jeopardy if we are swept...

History would say there is no chance. Considering he just got extended, that would be unheard of.

Do you think he would get fired if we got swept?
 
History would say there is no chance. Considering he just got extended, that would be unheard of.

Do you think he would get fired if we got swept?

Bump?
 
Just can the Epitome of Mediocrity and be done with it. We have around the 5th-best talent in the league, but we get 2 more years of this oaf.

The Blazers have historically had excellent talent and an ordinary coach.
 
Just can the Epitome of Mediocrity and be done with it. We have around the 5th-best talent in the league, but we get 2 more years of this oaf.

The Blazers have historically had excellent talent and an ordinary coach.

Dr. Jack says hello.
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What did he do to deserve it? He is a 50% coach with horrible record in the playoffs. Shows Portland fans are happy with mediocrity. We have more talent then Dallas and he is being out coached again. Same thing happens every year. His offensive sets are horrendous. We are being killed on the pick and roll on defense. Not hate just facts. You are what your record shows. 10+ years and 1 series victory in the playoffs, 50 % in the regular season.
 
I'm going to wait until we get a home game to jump off the cliff. But in games like yesterday, when LMA's already not making some normal shots due to fatigue, isn't an easy coaching decision to say "Nic's getting torched by Dirk, so I'll have LMA take the hardest challenge on both ends of the floor for the entire 4th quarter". He tried Nic, he tried Crash, he tried doubles...hence Peja looking like he stepped out of Hot Tub Time Machine looking for Chris Webber and Mike Bibby.
 
Just can the Epitome of Mediocrity and be done with it. We have around the 5th-best talent in the league, but we get 2 more years of this oaf.

The Blazers have historically had excellent talent and an ordinary coach.

I'd be curious which teams you think are more talented than Portland.

Miami, Boston, Orlando, Chicago, OKC, Lakers, Mavs, and Spurs all come to mind.

I think they're in the category of Atlanta, Denver, Memphis, New York. So that would put them 9th-14th in my book.
 
I'm just wondering if you are crying right now because Nate got a deserved extension. I'll never forget that you're the guy who posted that part of you hoped the Blazers would tank last year so you could be "right" about Nate. THAT was weak stuff, Nate. It made me think that you aren't a true fan of the Blazers, and are more concerned about being 'right'.

The one silver lining in all of this is that my opinions annoy you so much. It's actually pretty hilarious.
 
I'll tell you what. If the Blazers get swept in round 1, I think Nate's job may be on the line.
 
There is your first problem. Our starters outscored Dallas' starters last night, so bench play matters.

Very true. I would add that the complaints about the Blazer defense are over-stated. Their defense against a good team has been good enough to win.
 
Will management consider giving Nate another extension after this win?
 
There is your first problem. Our starters outscored Dallas' starters last night, so bench play matters.

Duh. You wanted me to go through all NBA rosters to compare to ours. To save time, I used a site that puts all starters on one page. If you know of a page listing all starters and subs, please give it, so I can better meet your demand to compare other teams to ours, in order to meet with your approval.

Apparently your criticism is that had I also considered subs, I would have lowered my roster rating from 5th-best. So you're saying that our bench is worse than average. Our bench includes Batum, Rudy, and Roy. Batum is a starter on most teams and the other 2 are average for subs. So even had I considered subs, I don't think it would change my rating downward, and even if so, certainly not as many spots as you want.
 
Duh. You wanted me to go through all NBA rosters to compare to ours. To save time, I used a site that puts all starters on one page. If you know of a page listing all starters and subs, please give it, so I can better meet your demand to compare other teams to ours, in order to meet with your approval.

Apparently your criticism is that had I also considered subs, I would have lowered my roster rating from 5th-best. So you're saying that our bench is worse than average. Our bench includes Batum, Rudy, and Roy. Batum is a starter on most teams and the other 2 are average for subs. So even had I considered subs, I don't think it would change my rating downward, and even if so, certainly not as many spots as you want.

Yes, I think our bench is worse than average. Compare them to Dallas this series.

Not that stats tell the entire story, but this site has our bench rated 26th out of 30 teams. I would guess we're probably closer to 20, but still certainly not good.

Bench Rating
 
You ranked Deff, which is defensive efficiency, which is a team's efficiency minus its opponent's efficiency.

Dallas plays faster than us, on average. So in its average game, Dallas and its opponent score more stats than we and our opponent do. So average of (Dallas minus its opponent) > average of (Portland minus its opponent).

So they rank higher than us simply because they play faster.

(Heh heh. I know that's not the whole story, but you picked my favorite site Hoopstats, and I know the weaknesses of the efficiency stat. Let's see ya squirm out of this one.)
 
You ranked Deff, which is defensive efficiency, which is a team's efficiency minus its opponent's efficiency.

Dallas plays faster than us, on average. So in its average game, Dallas and its opponent score more stats than we and our opponent do. So average of (Dallas minus its opponent) > average of (Portland minus its opponent).

So they rank higher than us simply because they play faster.

(Heh heh. I know that's not the whole story, but you picked my favorite site Hoopstats, and I know the weaknesses of the efficiency stat. Let's see ya squirm out of this one.)

Which stat would you use to best determine bench strength?
 
I don't know, you tell me. You brought it up.
 
I don't know, you tell me. You brought it up.

Well outside of FT% they ranked in the bottom half of all other statistical categories. They ranked bottom 10 in 16 out of the 18 categories and bottom 3 in over half of them. All of those things seem to match up with what I've seen; we have a thin bench, full of inconsistent players, and almost no size.

I recall two years ago, almost every national televised game the announcers talked about our depth. This year, the only time Portland Trail Blazers and depth is brought up, its about our lack of depth.

I'm not sure there is a team in the league that has a worse collection of big guys and/or PGs coming off the bench.
 
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