Make the choice (Re: cap space)

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Fez Hammersticks

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Do you call the bluff of Batum's agent or do you let him walk and focus your attention on stealing away Eric Gordon from the Hornets?
 
Depends on the price ... Under 9 million I'd match, over 11 I'd let him walk ... between 9 and 11 million I'd have to think about it.
 
doesn't have to be one or the other. We just need Gordon to sign our offer sheet a minute or so before Batum signs his. I can get behind Gordon, but the injuries scare me, and I think it's not worth it, ultimately.
 
He was unhappy with the trade (being lied to by the Clippers; Hornets in early stages of rebuilding) had a lot to do with that. Early reports when the trade happen was that he and Kaman were absolutely miserable being in New Orleans.

But I was unaware of the exact offer -- To get him you're going to have to overpay.
 
So...the guy who had a bad injury last year, and has missed sizeable chunks of action the previous season too?

Nah.
 
If we draft Beal or Lamb then I doubt we go after Gordon. Instead they would focus on a PG free agent.

I doubt his agent is bluffing. He is going to take the first GOOD offer. Batum is not worth over 10 mill a year though.
 
Again I say, Nico may not get a 'good' offer, as his angry agent defines it. We'll see.

I kind of doubt Batum is in the first tier of free agents, those who will receive big offers on day one. Is he? The posters here certainly don't think he is worth it. Since we all know more than player agents and NBA general managers....
 
BBert said:
Again I say, Nico may not get a 'good' offer, as his angry agent defines it. We'll see.

I kind of doubt Batum is in the first tier of free agents, those who will receive big offers on day one. Is he? The posters here certainly don't think he is worth it. Since we all know more than player agents and NBA general managers....
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I don't see any way Nic doesn't get a good offer. By stats and by PER he is one of the top SF in the NBA. 7th in scoring and 8th in PER. I don't want the team to overspend on Nic because I personally don't feel SF is a very important position for this particular team. However, he is far and away one of the top tier FA's on the market this summer.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I don't see any way Nic doesn't get a good offer. By stats and by PER he is one of the top SF in the NBA. 7th in scoring and 8th in PER. I don't want the team to overspend on Nic because I personally don't feel SF is a very important position for this particular team. However, he is far and away one of the top tier FA's on the market this summer.
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I'v been trying to talk myself out of overspending on Nic but I keep coming back to several key issues. 1) His age 2) His ability to defend/play multiple positions 3) the fact he has never been used correctly in all his time here.
Even if we overspend on him some team will take him off our hands in a trade later. There is no way Barnes will have close to the impact defensively that Batum has, offensively they will be a wash unless Batum suddenly starts attacking the rim consistently. Letting Batum walk for nothing so we can attempt to pry a RFA away from another team is imo a horrendous act that will leave us without a starting SF and our best defender, a move that screams we don't want to win but would rather waste LMA prime rebuilding through the crap shoot that is the draft. Yet if we overpay him and he stops developing we have a huge paycheck hanging over our heads for the next 4 years.
I'm really torn on this one.
 
What does Nico's angry agent think is a 'good offer' again? Posters here think Nico's angry agent wants him to be 'overpaid'. By inference, 'good offer' = 'overpaid'. Is some team really going to come out on day one and 'overpay' Nicolas Batum?

I have been and continue to be a big Batum fan. I want the Blazers to keep him. I don't give a rip if Paul Allen 'overpays' him (as defined by posters on this board) -- so long as the team has an opportunity to take care of other signings first.

So yeah, I'm a little worried about how this could play out. The idea that his angry agent would take the "first" "good" offer without shopping around still seems like a poor way to represent Nico's best interests to me.
 
With season ticket sales down Larry Miller said that they are "dreaming big" this off-season.

As in, sleeping on the job.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Depends on the price ... Under 9 million I'd match, over 11 I'd let him walk ... between 9 and 11 million I'd have to think about it.
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My thoughts exactly. I was listening to the radio and some GM stated Batum has a worth of $8-9 million.
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
My thoughts exactly. I was listening to the radio and some GM stated Batum has a worth of $8-9 million.
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Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Oops, I mean, sounds like a 'good offer' to me. But I'm not his angry agent. Oops, I mean someone tell his angry agent that offer is ridiculously low. Hopefully his angry agent rejects that offer, giving us time to take care of business. :)
 
His worth is 8-9 million due to potential, but his actual performance is more like 6-7.
 
Defensively there are what 3 SF you'd take over him Iggy/Lebron/Deng? He shoots almost 40% from 3's and has the 4th best FG% of all SF's. Losing this guy for nothing will just hurt, I still believe in him and would only lose him if we can defiantly get Deron.
 
Batum's defense is really over-rated. We have all these supposed good defenders, yet our defense sucks so bad.
 
What does "calling his bluff" mean? If he signs an offer sheet, either the Blazers match or don't. It's not like Nic is going to try to get out of that offer if the Blazers don't match.
 
It would be an easier call if not for the pending coaching change. The next coach might get more out of him.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Depends on the price ... Under 9 million I'd match, over 11 I'd let him walk ... between 9 and 11 million I'd have to think about it.
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batum is worth about 11 million a year statistically, and then you also need to pay a premium for his likely improvement during his peak years, and his being a free agent

i think 12 million is fair...not sure id want them to pay it, but he will likely be worth it
 
Without Batum they could get creative and trade a pick (or both?) for an established younger player like Rondo and absorb the salary.

If we let Nic walk that'll leave about $25m in cap space to spend?

Maybe then make a run at Brook Lopez. Now these are the type of moves that we need to make to vault this team back into respectability.

But a Rondo/Batum off-season would be great as well.
 
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Sinobas said:
His worth is 8-9 million due to potential, but his actual performance is more like 6-7.
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wages of wins puts the value of a win at around 1.7 million, and nic had 4.8 winshares last year playing in 89% of the teams games...over a 82 game season that would put him at playing 73 games. extrapolating his 59 games played into 73 games gives him 5.9 wishares last season * 1.7 million = 10.09 million....

extrapolating his ws to 80 games (his 2010/11 total) gives him 6.5 winshares (he actually had 6.6 ws that year) for a value of 11.06 million

that gives us a 2 year sample of him being worth over 11 million dollars per season, so barring injury, he is likely to be worth at LEAST that for the next 5/6 years
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
I think a 4year/$44m offer will be enough for the new owner of the Hornets to let him bolt.
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Gordon is the shit but injuries man. The dude almost missed the entire season and missed a lot the season before. Not saying that Batum should or shouldn't walk; but putting my chips in for a player like him is a big risk. Isn't there another player out there?
 
3RA1N1AC said:
batum is worth about 11 million a year statistically, and then you also need to pay a premium for his likely improvement during his peak years, and his being a free agent

i think 12 million is fair...not sure id want them to pay it, but he will likely be worth it
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As I said in the thread identical to this one 2 days ago, or maybe in the one 2 days before that one, statistical measures overvalue Batum because he shoots high percentages in all 3 kinds of shots.

For $11M, we will get a passive 3rd or 4th option in our offense, often findable for minimum NBA wage.
 
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