Making the case for Roy Hibbert

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Strenuus said:
Really? That's horrible. It will take Rolo or Wes or Batum. Not just our shitty ass bench to make Indianas bench even more shitty. Be smart about this.
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The only way they trade Hilbert is if they think he has major flaws. Why do we want a 15 million center that has flaws unless we can get him for young players? How do you know that TRob won't end up being better than Wes, Batum, and Rolo. Same with CJ. Indiana did just fine when we sent them McRoberts as a throw in.

They have a starting SG, SF and center that are all better than Wes Batum and Rolo IMO. Why would including those guys be a "smarter" trade? TRob will not get the minutes here behind LMA, but just because you think he is shitty, doesn't mean he is. I think he will end being a pretty good player. Same with CJ.
 
Strenuus said:
Really? That's horrible. It will take Rolo or Wes or Batum. Not just our shitty ass bench to make Indianas bench even more shitty. Be smart about this.
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Hibbert's contract and questionable production lower's his trade value significantly. Other teams may show interest and offer more, but Rolo and a young gun with potential is reasonable if they are looking to get rid him.

Whoever gets Hibbert may end up getting him for just 1 yr (he can opt out). Unless you are a big market team who feels confident you can resign him, it's a big risk (Blazers included)
 
Hibbert had 0 point 0 rebound games. There is no good excuse for that. I don't want a guy that fragile on our team. I'll take Lopez over Hibbert every day of the week. We dodged a bullet by not getting Hibbert. Also, even at his clearmindedness, he's a terrible rebounder for a guy who is 7 foot 2.
 
Lopez will still improve. He had a huge rise in rebounding this last season. He is still an up and comer, Nate.
 
Even though he's not officially Coach, Larry Bird is an elite coach, better than Stotts.

If Bird failed with Hibbert, then Stotts would, even more.
 
jlprk said:
Even though he's not officially Coach, Larry Bird is an elite coach, better than Stotts.

If Bird failed with Hibbert, then Stotts would, even more.
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What makes you think Bird is doing any coaching at all?
 
He's critiquing Vogel in a macromanagement way.
 
Strenuus said:
What out there is better? It's a bench, not an all-nba team.
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Realistic gets that would be a better fit than a tiny gunner that is a system player

Livingston
Nate Robinson
Vasquez
Heinrich
Bayless
Collison
Isaiah Thomas

Realistic gets that would be better than an undersized PF that is also a system player

McBob
Ed Davis
Jordan Hill

However, we don't need a PF, as our best bench player is a PF as well as Freeland being able to play there
 
Natebishop3 said:
Rolo/Wes is enough to match salaries and then you use the MLE to sign a replacement for Wes.
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I'd quit following the team if they did that. Horrible idea.

Hibbert had four zero point playoff games. Sure he's worth taking a flyer on at a discount, but sending out multiple starters isn't a discount.
 
Denny Crane said:
The problem is the Blazers have to come up with salaries to balance the trade. It's going to create a hole in the lineup, or you end up starting a guy like Mo.
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Wrong. Teams like the Blazers have 150% salary flexibility so Dorrell Wright, Freeland, and a couple bench players can match the needed salary.
 
Draco said:
Wrong. Teams like the Blazers have 150% salary flexibility so Dorrell Wright, Freeland, and a couple bench players can match the needed salary.
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Call the heat. They'll give you LeBron for that haul!
 
If Roy Hibbert is not the actual problem and his play was due to another problem in the locker room. He ain't going anywhere. They will fix the problem and try again next year with him.

But I think if the idea is to move him, Indy is still going to want a lot for this guy. Why? Because like you said, he is a DPOY kind of guy and they know this. You're not going to get him for a package of scrubs.

Rolo and Wes will probably be needed. Unless they are in frantic mode and they think they have a real problem, then Rolo alone might suffice.
 
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I can almost, sorta, kinda talk myself into a trade for Hibbert, but man he really turned in some bed-shitting performances after the all-star break. Saying "it's just a confidence thing" doesn't make it much more palatable ... and actually it makes it worse.

On paper he's probably an upgrade over Lopez, but for that much money I guess I want a guy that's a little safer; a mental midget at 13 million per year, is a little rich for my blood.
 
RR7 said:
You specifically mentioned matching salaries, not talent needed, which is what he wad responding to.
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Bingo, thanks. Denny can't admit being wrong.

We'd possibly throw in an unprotected pick and one of CJ, TRob, etc while giving them salary relief. Likely have a 3rd team involved. Is it their best offer? Maybe not, but for a possible one year rental its not ridiculously stupid as Denny implies with his LeBron example. We certainly aren't required to part with a starter, the salary is easy to match up.
 
Nikolokolus said:
I can almost, sorta, kinda talk myself into a trade for Hibbert, but man he really turned in some bed-shitting performances after the all-star break. Saying "it's just a confidence thing" doesn't make it much more palatable ... and actually it makes it worse.

On paper he's probably an upgrade over Lopez, but for that much money I guess I want a guy that's a little safer; a mental midget at 13 million per year, is a little rich for my blood.
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If we trade a starter for Hibbert its a high risk move for a small possible upgrade. There is a chance its an epic failure if he continues to play like Thabeet. There's risk even if he plays at an all-star level it doesn't fit with our other starters as well as Lopez.

Roy has had conditioning and Asthma problems since he enteted the league. He's always been awkward offensively with less skills than Rolo. If I'm risking blowing up this team it needs to have a chance of making us a contender. I don't think Hibbert does that.
 
Draco said:
Bingo, thanks. Denny can't admit being wrong.

We'd possibly throw in an unprotected pick and one of CJ, TRob, etc while giving them salary relief. Likely have a 3rd team involved. Is it their best offer? Maybe not, but for a possible one year rental its not ridiculously stupid as Denny implies with his LeBron example. We certainly aren't required to part with a starter, the salary is easy to match up.
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You quoted me out of context. I specifically said it would take a trade that would leave a hole in the starting lineup. That implies no 2-for-2 kind of trade to replace Wes or whoever you end up sending out to satisfy the cap requirements and Indy's acceptable return in the trade.
 
Did Hibbert outplay any center in the playoffs? I saw Antic render him ineffective, Gortat handily outplayed him, and Bosh outplayed him. He has major defensive problems against small ball lineups.

He is inefficient offensively. Don't get me wrong he is a beast at shot blocking around the rim and I'd love to add a player like that. But just as with Theo Ratliff that doesn't make you a well rounded big minute starter. It makes you a valuable roll player.
 
Denny Crane said:
You quoted me out of context. I specifically said it would take a trade that would leave a hole in the starting lineup. That implies no 2-for-2 kind of trade to replace Wes or whoever you end up sending out to satisfy the cap requirements and Indy's acceptable return in the trade.
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We don't have to send out any starter to satisfy cap requirements and that's a fact. I was pointing out your error where you were wrong.

If you think we have to send out two starters to match Indiana talent requirements thats your opinion. That very well may be the case and if so I would hope the Blazers have zero interest in a Roy trade.
 
I am reasonably sure the Knicks would do this deal, and it would be one the Blazers would have to beat. If Indy wanted to get rid of Hibbert, this deal makes sense in that Chandler has one less year on his contract, and he wouldn't hurt the team's chances of trying to unseat the Heat next season. This is just one obvious suitor for Hibbert.

Check out the "reality calls" thread.

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Draco said:
We don't have to send out any starter to satisfy cap requirements and that's a fact. I was pointing out your error where you were wrong.

If you think we have to send out two starters to match Indiana talent requirements thats your opinion. That very well may be the case and if so I would hope the Blazers have zero interest in a Roy trade.
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I specifically wrote the Blazers would have to come up with salaries to balance the trade. Period. Second sentence - you will end up with a hole in the roster. Period.

If that is wrong, feel free to show me where the CBA FAQ (or your choice of sources) says so.
 
Denny Crane said:
I specifically wrote the Blazers would have to come up with salaries to balance the trade. Period. Second sentence - you will end up with a hole in the roster. Period.

If that is wrong, feel free to show me where the CBA FAQ (or your choice of sources) says so.
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You're now bouncing back and forth. Lol. Coming up with salaries to balance the deal is different than quality to make Indiana accept.
 
RR7 said:
You're now bouncing back and forth. Lol. Coming up with salaries to balance the deal is different than quality to make Indiana accept.
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Parsing english for you. Nothing more.
 
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