Making the case for Roy Hibbert

[The_Lillard_King]

Did Hibbert outplay any center in the playoffs? I saw Antic render him ineffective, Gortat handily outplayed him, and Bosh outplayed him. He has major defensive problems against small ball lineups.

He is inefficient offensively. Don't get me wrong he is a beast at shot blocking around the rim and I'd love to add a player like that. But just as with Theo Ratliff that doesn't make you a well rounded big minute starter. It makes you a valuable roll player.

Did Rolo outplay any center in the playoffs?

I like Rolo . . . but that is the position I think the Blazers can upgrade the easiest.

For as much as Rolo has chemistry and does the little things, he is slow footed and has hands of stone. He has turned into a solid starting center, but he has a ceiling that is much lower than Hibbert's, IMO.

If the Blazers want to keep LA, they have to take another step this coming up year. Taking a risk on Hibbert may be just the step that will make LA resign . . . or go away depending on how Hibbert pans out. But keeping the team intact and adding an MLE is unlikely going to take this team to the WCF and I wonder if LA will think it's time to move on.

 

[RR7]

One aspect of Hibbert I like, or defensive philosophy left Lopez to single cover opponent boss, and to drop into lane on pick and roll. If our philosophy was to show on pick, I'd be worried about him being too slow. If we constantly doubled, I'd think why bother. But on defense, what we ask Robin to do we would get a big boost with Roy.

 

[OneLifeToLive]

If the Blazers want to keep LA, they have to take another step this coming up year. Taking a risk on Hibbert may be just the step that will make LA resign . . . or go away depending on how Hibbert pans out. .

But let's not forget the rapport these two have. LA and Hibbert. They could be a pretty decent defensive front court. And rebounding

 

[BBert]

What concerns me about Hibbert is that, if I understood correctly, in his midseason complaints about his selfish teammates, he was complaining about not getting enough touches. How happy would he be as fifth fiddle on the Blazers after LaMarcus, Dame, Wes, and Batum?

Also, someone (I forgot who) commented that Hibbert is buds with LaMarcus. True? I don't think Olshey should give any thought to bringing in Hibbert unless LaMarcus green lights it, either way. One would think players have a pretty good idea about potential chemistry with other players.

Hibbert surely killed his overall value this post season. Still, there are probably GMs or owners out there who will covet him like a DPOY Allstar. It would be cool if we could get him without giving up a starter or Trob (but not likely). Meyers looks like he'd fit in in Indiana!

 

[BBert]

But let's not forget the rapport these two have. LA and Hibbert. They could be a pretty decent defensive front court. And rebounding

Ha, ha. I made my post before seeing yours. (My memory isn't that bad, honest.)

How do we know they are buds?

 

[OneLifeToLive]

Ha, ha. I made my post before seeing yours. (My memory isn't that bad, honest.)

How do we know they are buds?

I used rapport which is different than having a real relationship because I don't know but they've been caught tweeting each other.

And no sweat on the apparent short term mem

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Did any of you not catch Hibbert quickly throwing teammates under the bus during their post all-star downfall?

He's a mental midget on a max contract.

Just be thankful we dodged this 7'2" bullet.

 

[RR7]

Did any of you not catch Hibbert quickly throwing teammates under the bus during their post all-star downfall?

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I recall him saying there were selfish people in the locker. Anything else?

 

[Draco]

I am reasonably sure the Knicks would do this deal, and it would be one the Blazers would have to beat. If Indy wanted to get rid of Hibbert, this deal makes sense in that Chandler has one less year on his contract, and he wouldn't hurt the team's chances of trying to unseat the Heat next season. This is just one obvious suitor for Hibbert.

Check out the "reality calls" thread.

That wouldn't save Indy any salary to sign Lance and use the MLE this summer. NY is going to try and use cap space next summer, I don't think they'd want to have a max contract Hibbert still on their cap for possibly two years.

I specifically wrote the Blazers would have to come up with salaries to balance the trade. Period. Second sentence - you will end up with a hole in the roster. Period.

If that is wrong, feel free to show me where the CBA FAQ (or your choice of sources) says so.

You are wrong, period. Blazers don't have to send out any stater to acquire Hibberts salary in a trade.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=oel8qqr


Obviously draft picks and other assets would go to Indy.

 

[Denny Crane]

That wouldn't save Indy any salary to sign Lance and use the MLE this summer. NY is going to try and use cap space next summer, I don't think they'd want to have a max contract Hibbert still on their cap for possibly two years.



You are wrong, period. Blazers don't have to send out any stater to acquire Hibberts salary in a trade.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=oel8qqr


Obviously draft picks and other assets would go to Indy.

Call the Heat. They'll surely give up LeBron for that haul.

Philly is raped in your proposed trade. Period.

It isn't a matter of right or wrong. It is a matter of opinion. You think you can trade players 9-14 off the bench of a team with a weak bench for an all star. I disagree.

NY would want to have Hibbert as their C until he's too old to play anymore. IMO.

 

[Denny Crane]

This is more realistic. I don't know if Indy does it, still.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kujczxp

 

[Natebishop3]

It's absolutely amazing how quickly people forget about multiple seasons worth of good play because of one half-season of shitty play.

 

[RR7]

Call the Heat. They'll surely give up LeBron for that haul.

Philly is raped in your proposed trade. Period.

It isn't a matter of right or wrong. It is a matter of opinion. You think you can trade players 9-14 off the bench of a team with a weak bench for an all star. I disagree.

NY would want to have Hibbert as their C until he's too old to play anymore. IMO.

This is either just trolling at this point or a complete inability to follow a conversation. Jesus.

 

[Wheels]

It's absolutely amazing how quickly people forget about multiple seasons worth of good play because of one half-season of shitty play.

because others share concerns that you dont? Please... I highly doubt that anyone in here doesnt realize what he had done.

when Roy didnt have it anymore, no one forgot what he had done in the years prior... (Yes I know his was injuries, and Hibbert's issues appear to be more mental) doesnt mean you could afford to keep him around with his new lack of production.

Jamal Mgloire had 3 seasons of similar numbers to Hibbert too... but never seemed to get back into that form after his decline. Should he have been viewed as an integral part of teams based on those 3 years prior?

 

[Wheels]

and sorry for not being a huge part of the conversation after being part in the beginning. Havent been feeling great the last couple days.

 

[Natebishop3]

because others share concerns that you dont? Please... I highly doubt that anyone in here doesnt realize what he had done.

when Roy didnt have it anymore, no one forgot what he had done in the years prior... (Yes I know his was injuries, and Hibbert's issues appear to be more mental) doesnt mean you could afford to keep him around with his new lack of production.

Jamal Mgloire had 3 seasons of similar numbers to Hibbert too... but never seemed to get back into that form after his decline. Should he have been viewed as an integral part of teams based on those 3 years prior?

I have concerns about Hibbert. That's why I said it's a high risk/high reward move.

Brandon Roy didn't have menisci. That's a far cry from a player who has a drop in production for half of an All-Star season.

This isn't a decline in athleticism or skill. This is a decline mentally. We don't know the reasoning, but it's not like he magically stopped having the talent. We've seen other players have a dip in production, only to go someplace else and rediscover themselves.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

This is more realistic. I don't know if Indy does it, still.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kujczxp

From the other perspective, some articles make it sound like Indy and Hibbert may have had enough of each other. If Indy wants Hibbert (and his attitude and his breach of keeping things in house) out of that locker room next year . . . Indy will have a tough task trying to trade a high maintenance max player who underachieved in the playoffs, complains about touches and can opt out after next year.

What team will want to give up valuable assets for that? Any team that does must understand they are taking a huge risk.

 

[Wheels]

I have concerns about Hibbert. That's why I said it's a high risk/high reward move.

Brandon Roy didn't have menisci. That's a far cry from a player who has a drop in production for half of an All-Star season.

This isn't a decline in athleticism or skill. This is a decline mentally. We don't know the reasoning, but it's not like he magically stopped having the talent. We've seen other players have a dip in production, only to go someplace else and rediscover themselves.

I didnt say you dont have those concerns. To some the risk might be worth the reward, and thats fine. I was taking issue with the comment on people forgetting Hibbert's seasons before.

I know Roy's was injuries, and to me the losing whatever "it factor" you may have had, is concerning when its not physical, and you are that big and talented. Just my opinion though.

And yes players do reinvent themselves at times, and then players like Magloire who I mentioned, who just never return to what they had. (for the record I do think Hibbert is better than Magloire)

 

[cmeese47]

From the other perspective, some articles make it sound like Indy and Hibbert may have had enough of each other. If Indy wants Hibbert (and his attitude and his breach of keeping things in house) out of that locker room next year . . . Indy will have a tough task trying to trade a high maintenance max player who underachieved in the playoffs, complains about touches and can opt out after next year.

What team will want to give up valuable assets for that? Any team that does must understand they are taking a huge risk.

Maybe he is high maintenance or maybe the rumors were true and someone fucked his wife and that is why he collapsed. If one of your teammates bangs your wife that does not make you high maintenance.

 

[cmeese47]

But let's not forget the rapport these two have. LA and Hibbert. They could be a pretty decent defensive front court. And rebounding

Sorry Hibbert's strength in protecting the rim. He is a great low post defender and shot blocker, LA on the other hand sucks at pick and roll and he sucks at getting out on bigs with range. Basically LA's defense is not good enough to pair him with someone like Hibbert defensively.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Maybe he is high maintenance or maybe the rumors were true and someone fucked his wife and that is why he collapsed. If one of your teammates bangs your wife that does not make you high maintenance.

What makes him high maintenance is that when he had a beef with players he went public with it . . . and part of the beef seemed to be that he wasn't getting enough touches. Then he goes on the court and appears to cope an attitude as he turns into a completely different player (for the worse). That is high maintenance in my book (being cheated on or not)

 

[RR7]

What makes him high maintenance is that when he had a beef with players he went public with it . . . and part of the beef seemed to be that he wasn't getting enough touches. Then he goes on the court and appears to cope an attitude as he turns into a completely different player (for the worse). That is high maintenance in my book (being cheated on or not)

Where did he specifically complain about touches? Not disagreeing with you, just have seen that said a few times here and elsewhere, and hadn't seen it specifically, only saw his complaints about guys being selfish.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Where did he specifically complain about touches? Not disagreeing with you, just have seen that said a few times here and elsewhere, and hadn't seen it specifically, only saw his complaints about guys being selfish.

I can't say he specifically said that. I think if you look at the timing of his statements, it was when he wasn't producing offensively and was being questioned about it when he came out with the statements of guys being selfish. So I probably assumed that he was explaining his lack of production with guys being selfish and basically not passing him the ball. (Also, maybe by reading it here it put into my mind he was complaining about touches.)

Roy is hard to figure out. I remember when the Blazers were going to make an offer I looked into him. At the time he was known not just for stepping up his game in the playoffs, but also for being a great community guy. Apparently he was very involved in the local community and embraced and was/is loved by Indy citizens. So this Hibbert who caused locker room turmoil (pretty sure he did that) seems so out of character to the player who loved the city and the Pacer organization.

 

[BBert]

"Some selfish dudes in here," Roy Hibbert muttered Friday night, after getting eight shots in the Pacers' loss to the Wizards. "Some selfish dudes. I'm tired of talking about it. We've been talking about it for a month."

"We play hard, but we've got to move the ball," Hibbert said. "Is it obvious, or what? I don't know whatever our assist ratio, or whatever it is, is in the league, but it probably isn't up there. I'm really trying hard not to spaz out right now, but I don't know. We've been talking about it for a month. I'm not handling the rock. I don't know. I've made suggestions before and we do it for, like, one game, and then we revert back to what we are. I don't know. I'm not the one to answer that question. It directly affects me and the bigs. We're just out there and it makes us look bad."

Hibbert has the lowest usage rate of his career this season at 19.3 percent (21.9 percent for his career) and that usage was 17.2 percent in February and 18.5 percent in March.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on...-after-recent-loss-some-selfish-dudes-in-here

Although he talks about not getting the ball, he also talks about the lack of ball movement in the offense, and how it affects all the bigs. Taken in context, he's correct.

I don't know if his recent (lack of) play is like when Kome takes a quarter off and refuses to shoot the ball at all because he wants to make a point, or if the rumored teammate nailing his wife story is true, or whatever. A frank conversation with him by someone he trusts (maybe LaMarcus?) might clear up the concerns posted on this board for a GM thinking about making a play for him (or not).

 

[RR7]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on...-after-recent-loss-some-selfish-dudes-in-here

Although he talks about not getting the ball, he also talks about the lack of ball movement in the offense, and how it affects all the bigs. Taken in context, he's correct.

I don't know if his recent (lack of) play is like when Kome takes a quarter off and refuses to shoot the ball at all because he wants to make a point, or if the rumored teammate nailing his wife story is true, or whatever. A frank conversation with him by someone he trusts (maybe LaMarcus?) might clear up the concerns posted on this board for a GM thinking about making a play for him (or not).

Yeah, this is all I had seen from him, and so when I keep reading how he is demanding touches, well, I just don't take that away from that quote. He specifically talks about ball movement, keeping it moving. Not saying I need more shots. Maybe he'd like our flow offense more than whatever Indy is doing? Who knows. I just don't have a problem with anything he says there, and don't see him being selfish.

 

[BBert]

Basically: selfish teammates, no ball movement, and bigs working hard but not getting any touches (and their resulting lack of production makes them look bad), equals bad basketball.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Basically: selfish teammates, no ball movement, and bigs working hard but not getting any touches (and their resulting lack of production makes them look bad), equals bad basketball.

Sounds like the 06-12 Blazers

 

[Draco]

Call the Heat. They'll surely give up LeBron for that haul.

Philly is raped in your proposed trade. Period.

It isn't a matter of right or wrong. It is a matter of opinion. You think you can trade players 9-14 off the bench of a team with a weak bench for an all star. I disagree.

NY would want to have Hibbert as their C until he's too old to play anymore. IMO.

Still can't admit you were wrong? Show a little class and stop trolling our board whoever you are.

I said the Blazers could easily match salary for Hibbert and provided examples of such. You are wrong. Period.

Go to a Bulls forum and talk about how great your euro is along with the untouchable golden Charlotte pick.

 

[Draco]

This is either just trolling at this point or a complete inability to follow a conversation. Jesus.

Yeah its rather odd. Its like I corrected him for calling his red car blue and now hes yelling at me that Ford's are better than Chevys?

 

[santeesioux]

God, anyone that thinks this place is homer central needs to look at any BE article about trading for a player like this

http://www.blazersedge.com/2014/6/3...d-trail-blazers-indiana-pacers-trade#comments