Malcolm Brogdon trade ideas

[Natebishop3]

I don't unreasonably love Ant... I much prefer both Scoot/Sharpe to Ant. I value Ant for what he is - a dynamic 24 year old 3 level scorer.

I just push back on the hate he gets all over this board as I see many of these criticisms being both illogical and ridiculous.

Did Dame improve after 24? Plenty of players do. If Ant doesn't he's still elite in many offense ways even with defensive shortcomings. If he makes some big improvements he would be a legit All-star. Maybe he will improve or maybe he won't. I'm eager to find out with him wearing a Blazers uniform.

I also enjoy having a deep team. I don't want a bunch of shit backups on this roster as we did with all the LMA/Dame teams. Having Ant in a backcourt with Scoot/Sharpe is not a weakness -its a big stength.

How is it hate? I think I’m pretty fair about my assessments of him. I think most people just realize what he is. Ideally his best role is as a 6th man. He should be a Malcolm Brogdon. But his defense is REALLY bad which limits him. He has to get at least adequate as a defender.

 

[wizenheimer]

I don't unreasonably love Ant... I much prefer both Scoot/Sharpe to Ant. I value Ant for what he is - a dynamic 24 year old 3 level scorer.

I just push back on the hate he gets all over this board as I see many of these criticisms being both illogical and ridiculous.

Did Dame improve after 24? Plenty of players do. If Ant doesn't he's still elite in many offense ways even with defensive shortcomings. If he makes some big improvements he would be a legit All-star. Maybe he will improve or maybe he won't. I'm eager to find out with him wearing a Blazers uniform.

I also enjoy having a deep team. I don't want a bunch of shit backups on this roster as we did with all the LMA/Dame teams. Having Ant in a backcourt with Scoot/Sharpe is not a weakness -its a big stength.

ok...that's a little more reasonable and at least you didn't shit on me as a hater

of course Ant will get incrementally better at what he does; just about all players do given good health. Dame got better after his 5th season. So did CJ for that matter. But they did not fundamentally change the type of players they were. They didn't get better at defense and they didn't get taller. They got better within their limitations. And Ant has limitations, lots of them

and I'll grant I might not be seeing what hidden skills Ant has that he hasn't revealed in 5 seasons and nearly 300 games. That I may be missing gears he'll shift into he couldn't shift into when Dame was around. That I'm off base in thinking Ant averaging more PPG on a bad team would be simply viewed as empty calories by most objective observers . Maybe it's because I've been here before. I was arguing that the Blazers absolutely needed to trade CJ and I was making that argument in 2016. I was called a CJ hater when I scoffed at the notion CJ would be an all-star if he didn't play with Dame. I was called a hater when I pointed at CJ's size and his terrible defense. And just about every single argument in favor of Ant right now I heard made for CJ, over and over and over...with the same passion you have for Ant. And by the way...I didn't coin the MeJ label....CJ earned that by his play and somebody else came up with it, somebody in the group of fans wanting CJ gone that grew into the vast majority of blazer fans

so yeah, maybe I'm too influenced by the CJ experience. But for fucksakes, after 7 long failing years of a bad-defense combination of a 6'2 PG and a 6'3 SG in Dame/CJ, and two more years of a bad-defense combo 6'2 PG and a 6'3 SG in Dame/Ant, the last thing I want to watch is 2 or 3 or 4 more years of a 6'2 PG and 6'3 SG in Scoot/Ant. I just want it to stop

 

[Hoopguru]

I feel if we can trade Dame we can trade Ant for assets or a small forward that can defend. All these guys are chips, some worth more than others. What if someone offers a decent small forward before or at the trade deadline for Ant? The offense will not suffer as we have plenty of guys that can score. Brogdon healthy is a better fit than Ant on this team and we will trade him too.

 

[OneSport3]

every time you see a path to a roster that begins to make sense, the square-peg/round-hole obstacle is Simons...yeah, call me a 'hater'; I'm used to it

Hater

 

[TheGoldRanger]

Thank you to whoever it was that shared the Oscar from the Office picture saying he looks like Brogdon. All I see is Oscar now when I see or think of Brogdon. Doesn’t help the Office is one of my favorite shows all time and I’ve watched it all at least 3 times.

 

[1 Eye Jack]

Brogdon to Philly seems like a no brainer. They have to be in the overpay mode to make Embid happy. I’d take a pick or two

 

[wizenheimer]

Brogdon to Philly seems like a no brainer. They have to be in the overpay mode to make Embid happy. I’d take a pick or two

they only have one pick and it's in 2030. And they'd have difficulty matching salary. And of course, Morey is an asshole. I think Philly would be a bad trading partner for Brogdon unless it's part of a Harden trade....and that will probably be messy

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

they only have one pick and it's in 2030. And they'd have difficulty matching salary. And of course, Morey is an asshole. I think Philly would be a bad trading partner for Brogdon unless it's part of a Harden trade....and that will probably be messy

It's interesting to think back on all of Sam Hinkie's machinations to acquire a stack of assets for the 76ers over several years, only to have it come down holding one first round pick 7 years out, along with some sad assed contracts a few years later. So much for "trusting the process".........and it provides a legitimate caveat for "asset acquisition". As Toronto (a couple of years ago) and Milwaukie (last week) have showed, sometimes you need to fish or cut bait. Hopefully Cronin doesn't get so "asset blind" he loses sight of the ultimate goal......

 

[Samuel]

It makes sense to trade Ant if we get more value back in return than he is worth here.

didn't we sort of try that? for a while?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I feel if we can trade Dame we can trade Ant for assets or a small forward that can defend. All these guys are chips, some worth more than others. What if someone offers a decent small forward before or at the trade deadline for Ant? The offense will not suffer as we have plenty of guys that can score. Brogdon healthy is a better fit than Ant on this team and we will trade him too.

After Ant and Brogdon trades let's just keep going and trade everyone else?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Brogdon to Philly seems like a no brainer. They have to be in the overpay mode to make Embid happy. I’d take a pick or two

I wanted to do this for Harden then flip Harden to Mia or LAC but can't match salaries for 60 days...

 

[Blazinaway]

It's interesting to think back on all of Sam Hinkie's machinations to acquire a stack of assets for the 76ers over several years, only to have it come down holding one first round pick 7 years out, along with some sad assed contracts a few years later. So much for "trusting the process".........and it provides a legitimate caveat for "asset acquisition". As Toronto (a couple of years ago) and Milwaukie (last week) have showed, sometimes you need to fish or cut bait. Hopefully Cronin doesn't get so "asset blind" he loses sight of the ultimate goal......

Interesting that TOR now seems frozen with Siakam and OG only having one yr left and expecting big pay days, they already lost FVV for nothing, will something similar happen to those assets?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I wanted to do this for Harden then flip Harden to Mia or LAC but can't match salaries for 60 days...

So figure out a 3-way. How many picks need to be included for this to make sense?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

It's interesting to think back on all of Sam Hinkie's machinations to acquire a stack of assets for the 76ers over several years, only to have it come down holding one first round pick 7 years out, along with some sad assed contracts a few years later. So much for "trusting the process".........and it provides a legitimate caveat for "asset acquisition". As Toronto (a couple of years ago) and Milwaukie (last week) have showed, sometimes you need to fish or cut bait. Hopefully Cronin doesn't get so "asset blind" he loses sight of the ultimate goal......

It wasn't really Hinkes fault for all of that though... they had Elton brand and Colangelo throwing away assets for nothing. Trade for Butler then let him walk to Miami.

Process was actually decent idea at the time. If they had just 3 or so vets on the roster for a more mature locker room might have had better development too.

29 teams lose every year so i think people forget it's 97% chance of failure and that doesn't take into account higher probability of repeat champions.

OKC is sort of like the process 2.0 in some ways and they could be scary good 5-10 years from now.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I wanted to do this for Harden then flip Harden to Mia or LAC but can't match salaries for 60 days...

The Clippers one isn't too tough, again depending on the picks.



But honestly, I've come around to being happy to have Brogdon on the squad.

 

[maxiep]

The Clippers one isn't too tough, again depending on the picks.

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But honestly, I've come around to being happy to have Brogdon on the squad.

I would love this, but I can't see us getting that many draft picks from PHI.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I would love this, but I can't see us getting that many draft picks from PHI.

It's just 1 first, and then our own 2nd back.

 

[maxiep]

It's just 1 first, and then our own 2nd back.

Like I said, sign me up!

 

[SharpesTriumph]

The Clippers one isn't too tough, again depending on the picks.

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But honestly, I've come around to being happy to have Brogdon on the squad.

Well sure if its a 3 way you can do it..... I was thinking straight up for Harden which would be one trade prior to LAC or Miami deal as before Harden where we did one trade prior to acquire Brogdon and one trade prior to acquire Holiday.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I would love this, but I can't see us getting that many draft picks from PHI.

Yes - thats why it has to be two seperate deals. One deal Philly is giving us 1-2 picks and then another deal is with Miami for 1-2 picks and then another deal with team ??? for 1-2 picks...

Eventually we'd acquire so many picks we'd have half as many as OKC.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Dont know if this has been posted as there are a lot of pages in this post, so forgive me if it has.

How about Brogdon to Chicago for Ball, get our pick back and what ever plunder is available. Let him rehab this year and use him for trade bait down the road.

 

[Natebishop3]

Dont know if this has been posted as there are a lot of pages in this post, so forgive me if it has.

How about Brogdon to Chicago for Ball, get our pick back and what ever plunder is available. Let him rehab this year and use him for trade bait down the road.

That's the favorite for a lot of people.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

That's the favorite for a lot of people.

Thanks bud! I am off and on peeking at stuff while at work. No time to blow through 17 pages.

 

[cheesehoff]

I like the idea of Ball and our frp back for Malcolm. The difference for me is that I would want to get him rehabbed and keep him. I'm looking at Ball the same way I look at Timelord. With their histories of injuries and the fact that we now have the future of both positions in good hands (projecting here), they can come off the bench and contribute to a strong second unit in limited minutes. Ball is the perfect backcourt mate for Ant...so is Brogdon.
It seems like the perfect way to start building a second unit. 2 proven starters who play above average defense, but shouldn't be upset in limited minutes in order to prolong their careers. Plus, they won't be in position to ask for big contracts so they should be affordable.
I've never been a fan of the Ball's (wtf?) but I now realize it was their Dad I despised. Lonzo has the type of confidence that would be great in the locker room with these younger guys. Sell these guys on the idea of being a part of this young, talented group with a future that is wide open.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Dont know if this has been posted as there are a lot of pages in this post, so forgive me if it has.

How about Brogdon to Chicago for Ball, get our pick back and what ever plunder is available. Let him rehab this year and use him for trade bait down the road.

Wasn't there a rumor that Ball might never play again? I doubt that is true but until he does I don't think he has much value.
Personally, I would rather keep Brogdon or trade him for a forward.

 

[wizenheimer]

Wasn't there a rumor that Ball might never play again? I doubt that is true but until he does I don't think he has much value.
Personally, I would rather keep Brogdon or trade him for a forward.

Ball has pretty significant negative value. Taking him back in a trade would be worth a 1st round pick in itself

 

[Natebishop3]

Ball has pretty significant negative value. Taking him back in a trade would be worth a 1st round pick in itself

Yup. Give us our pick back for taking him and then one of their picks for Brogdon.

 

[Samuel]

I like the idea of Ball and our frp back for Malcolm. The difference for me is that I would want to get him rehabbed and keep him. I'm looking at Ball the same way I look at Timelord. With their histories of injuries and the fact that we now have the future of both positions in good hands (projecting here), they can come off the bench and contribute to a strong second unit in limited minutes. Ball is the perfect backcourt mate for Ant...so is Brogdon.
It seems like the perfect way to start building a second unit. 2 proven starters who play above average defense, but shouldn't be upset in limited minutes in order to prolong their careers. Plus, they won't be in position to ask for big contracts so they should be affordable.
I've never been a fan of the Ball's (wtf?) but I now realize it was their Dad I despised. Lonzo has the type of confidence that would be great in the locker room with these younger guys. Sell these guys on the idea of being a part of this young, talented group with a future that is wide open.

yeah this is the time to absorb bad salary with all these rookie deals on our books.

if we have another high lotto pick next year, though, that's another mid-ish sized salary. something to keep in mind.

 

[LayneStaley]

What’s the current worst contract in nba? Simmons? Whatever it is I’ll take it for 3 1s.

 

[BankTeller]

Yup. Give us our pick back for taking him and then one of their picks for Brogdon.

I’d be happy with us sending Brogdon + 2 2nds to them for Ball + our 1st back + ‘27 top-10 protected 1st (‘28 top 4 protected if not conveyed, ‘29 unprotected if not conveyed). We have 2nds (we’ll see where the Hawks ‘24 2nd lands) still available, parlaying some of them into 1sts might only be possible taking back a contract like Ball.

That is as strong of a return as we can hope to get honestly, which I would take all day. That pick is going to be a good pick eventually. Worse case scenario imo, the pick ends up between 15-20 in ‘27. Best case scenario, they suck to the point where the we have to wait until ‘29 for their 1st to convey. But who would care, at that point, we would have four (!!!) 1sts in ‘29, with a solid-high possibility that our own 1st will be the worst of the bunch.

Cronin would get high marks if he turned Dame into 5 total 1sts (3 unprotected, 2 lightly protected) and 2 unprotected swaps. Then we can wait for Ball to eventually 1) expire 2) contribute to a playoff run in ‘24-‘25 3) return more assets when he can play a stretch of games and show he’s healthy.