Malcolm Brogdon trade ideas

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AmirIcon said:
As much as I don't think Ant is a championship guy at SG (maybe PG), I'm not willing to give him away. Not a good trade.
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I don't see how getting an unprotected FRP and a lotto pick who has size, plays hard D (no pun intended) and is a lights out shooter is giving Ant away.
 
blazerkor said:
I don't see how getting an unprotected FRP and a lotto pick who has size, plays hard D (no pun intended) and is a lights out shooter is giving Ant away.
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None of the players we get back mean much except for maybe Dick. Big maybe. I think Ant by himself is worth 3 picks, and we're throwing in Rob and Brogdon? Doesn't seem adequate.
 
AmirIcon said:
None of the players we get back mean much except for maybe Dick. Big maybe. I think Ant by himself is worth 3 picks, and we're throwing in Rob and Brogdon? Doesn't seem adequate.
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Yeah, I think maybe my valuation on Ant is low. He definitely looked impressive in the preseason. I don't really know how Ant and Scoot ever truly work together as a back court especially if it forces Shaedon up a position as well. That being said if Ant can be a 25ppg scorer, do that efficiently and not be a defensive liability then yeah, he'd be worth a lot more than this trade would bring back for him.

That being said, we're not that far apart. You think Ant is worth three picks, I have him at a lotto picked rookie and an unprotected FRP which is two picks.
 
blazerkor said:
Yeah, I think maybe my valuation on Ant is low. He definitely looked impressive in the preseason. I don't really know how Ant and Scoot ever truly work together as a back court especially if it forces Shaedon up a position as well. That being said if Ant can be a 25ppg scorer, do that efficiently and not be a defensive liability then yeah, he'd be worth a lot more than this trade would bring back for him.

That being said, we're not that far apart. You think Ant is worth three picks, I have him at a lotto picked rookie and an unprotected FRP which is two picks.
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We don't have to worry about Ant and Scoot working long term as a backcourt right now; or anytime soon.

Worry when Scoot is a proven 25 year old great starter as when the Warriors broke up Steph and Ellis.

I mean sure if we get offers for more than Ant Sharpe or Scoot is worth we should consider it. Just very much doubt that will happen in the next year or two. So not worth discussing at this time IMO.
 
We need to update this thread with struggling teams that might give up a good haul for Brogdon. The price at which I would sell on Brogdon is 2 1sts, or a young player and a 1st.

Miami: not interested in their young guys. The 2 1sts become very valuable though, if Phili wins the bid for Mitchell and the Heat have to continue to catch up with the Joneses while Butler continues to age. I’d be fine with with Lowry, a ‘28 top 4 protected 1st that turns into an unprotected ‘29 pick swap and a ‘30 top 4 protected 1st that turns into an unprotected ‘31 pick swap for Brogdon and Thybulle. I LOVE that deal actually. Maybe re-sign Lowry to the BAE and keep him around as a vet.

Chicago: I’m not so sure if the Bulls are going to want to blow it up or continue to go all in. We could definitely get 2 1sts out of them between the amount of need the Bulls have for Brogdon AND the Ball contract. I’m not all that interested in their young guys. But taking on Ball for our 1st back, and trading Brogdon for a top 10 protected 1st in ‘28 that turns into an unprotected pick swap in ‘29 and an unprotected pick swap in ‘31.

There will be more teams interested eventually.
 
blazerkor said:
Yeah, I think maybe my valuation on Ant is low. He definitely looked impressive in the preseason. I don't really know how Ant and Scoot ever truly work together as a back court especially if it forces Shaedon up a position as well. That being said if Ant can be a 25ppg scorer, do that efficiently and not be a defensive liability then yeah, he'd be worth a lot more than this trade would bring back for him.

That being said, we're not that far apart. You think Ant is worth three picks, I have him at a lotto picked rookie and an unprotected FRP which is two picks.
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You don’t think Ant is going to benefit from all the attention Scoot and Shae gets? It’s actually awesome that Shae gets this opportunity to gain confidence in his offensive impact and get opportunities to improve his playmaking. As long as Ant can come back in and can contribute to the defense getting better, he’ll continue to be here. The PF prospect we find is going to be very important to anchoring the defense.
 
Judging from last night, Memphis would be happy to trade Marcus Smart (Celtics starter) for Brogdon (Celtics bench) but we'd be fools to do it.
 
BankTeller said:
You don’t think Ant is going to benefit from all the attention Scoot and Shae gets? It’s actually awesome that Shae gets this opportunity to gain confidence in his offensive impact and get opportunities to improve his playmaking. As long as Ant can come back in and can contribute to the defense getting better, he’ll continue to be here. The PF prospect we find is going to be very important to anchoring the defense.
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I'm just so completely sick and tired of undersized back courts. I don't want to deal with it any more. That doesn't mean I want to give Ant away, it just means I want him traded for fair value that is either draft capital or a better fitting young player.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I don't think it's good to replace two of our shooters with someone that can't shoot.
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Granted (no pun intended), but if you have Simmons you can play him at a forward spot while you start shooters Ant and Shaedon at guard. (Where's Scoot? In the practice facility, working on his jump shot.)
 
blazerkor said:
I'm just so completely sick and tired of undersized back courts. I don't want to deal with it any more. That doesn't mean I want to give Ant away, it just means I want him traded for fair value that is either draft capital or a better fitting young player.
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I mean I agree with you. I’d love to get a blue chip forward prospect AND a pretty good 1st for Ant. But until then, we’re left having to stay optimistic that Ant will up his value.

The day will come where Ant will bring us something of value. It will be when we are closer to contending. This isn’t that time though.
 
BankTeller said:
I mean I agree with you. I’d love to get a blue chip forward prospect AND a pretty good 1st for Ant. But until then, we’re left having to stay optimistic that Ant will up his value.

The day will come where Ant will bring us something of value. It will be when we are closer to contending. This isn’t that time though.
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I would easily take either of those to things for Ant... a pretty good first or a blue chip forward.
 
blazerkor said:
I'm just so completely sick and tired of undersized back courts. I don't want to deal with it any more. That doesn't mean I want to give Ant away, it just means I want him traded for fair value that is either draft capital or a better fitting young player.
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Blazers currently have the 9th ranked defense but 29th ranked offense. We need offensive production from a player like Ant more than we need to be concerned about his defense. We also don't know what if any improvements he will make defensively. We don't know how the team will scheme with him if everyone else is a superior defender than in prior seasons.

We also don't know for certain Scoot is an NBA starting level PG. Yes I hope so and suspect he will be - but right now he's been a horrible NBA player. Maybe eventually he will be a backup or bust and Ant will play more PG for this team. It's just to early to know - and it would be a big error if the Blazers trade away Ant now then need to acquire a player of his exact archetype at a later time once they are eventualy pushing to win now.

I don't understand this "sick and tired" of undersized backcourts when the Blazers are playing well defensively and we have so many unknowns with this young roster. It's like your taking all your frustrations with years of Dame and CJ, as well as Norm at SF and applying them to the current completely different Blazer roster. This years Blazers have totally different deficiencies than those prior Blazer teams - they will need different solutions in the years ahead to build a winning unit.
 
BankTeller said:
I mean I agree with you. I’d love to get a blue chip forward prospect AND a pretty good 1st for Ant. But until then, we’re left having to stay optimistic that Ant will up his value.

The day will come where Ant will bring us something of value. It will be when we are closer to contending. This isn’t that time though.
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I have trouble with these abstract "blue chip" and "good 1st" statements.

I need to hear exact names and pick - and all of the rumors I've heard over the last years has led me to believe Ant has way more value to keep on this roster than to send out in a trade.

Sure if we can get more than he is worth then go ahead and do it. Same for Scoot/Sharpe, Brogdon, Ayton, Timelord. Same for Grant and Thybulle in a little over a month.
 
I generally agree. Ant provides a skill no-one else on the roster currently provides, and he fits the timeline of this team. Even if he does not improve his defense (and it seems like he tried more so far this year than before) - I think you can have one sub-par defender on the roster, so with Sharpe trending up and Scoot seemingly working hard on becoming a good defender as well, that's less of an issue than the 2 small defensively challenged guards the Blazers ran in the recent past.

Way too early, imho, to write off Ant from the future of the team.
 
Natebishop3 said:
We shouldn’t HAVE to trade Simons. He’s a perfect third guard. We can still get him 30+ minutes a night. We just have to sell him on coming off the bench.
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We will have to see what Scoot does over the next month or whatever it is until Simons comes back. The way Scoot has played I'm not sure he is a starting level PG.

I'm fine giving him 10-20 games of starts to see - but if he doesn't improve significantly the Blazers might be much better starting Simons and Sharpe in the backcourt. I hope this isn't the case long term - but we certainly need to leave that open as a possible consideration if Scoots development doesn't improve as we hope.

Also with our horribe SF play, impressive team defense, and Sharpe's individual defense I'm more inclined to experiment with Sharpe at SF than I expected. So perhaps there could even be a starting trio of Scoot/Ant/Sharpe. Not even saying that is likely to happen - but it is something the team should explore if all 3 guys are playing at a near starting level.
 
Ant has played in one game this season, missing five to date and expected to be out at least five more weeks. He has had nearly zero effect on the offense or defense this season negatively or positively. Nothing can be inferred from his one game. But, in his absence, Sharpe has shown he is massively better than how he ended last season, which was very promising. He is the SG for this team going forward. As for Portland having the 9th ranked defense, I do want to see what it looks like in two weeks or four weeks from now. But the defense is not just Ayton. Players are buying in. Sharpe had the huge block to force overtime. The effort is there, and defense is probably 90% effort (my estimation).

As to the 29th ranked offense, I kind of think of this as the norm with very good defensive teams. They expend a lot of energy stopping the ball. That being said, I have no doubt as the season plays out, the Blazers will get better with their offensive game. If not, no big deal this season. They are not looking to win anything this season other than maybe 25 games. I just bought league pass because I am excited by the defensive intensity. Young guys buying in. It is incredible. Yes, I want to see ally oop dunks and swish 3s but know that will come. I fully agree with perfecting the defense and crashing the boards this season. Our vets seem to be setting a great example for all of the young guys. I would accept a good deal for any of them, but lets face it, Grant and Brogdon have gotten good results so far. Yes, it would be great for Sharpe to get more looks, but even while putting up his numbers, there is still more room to improve and demand the ball. he is not putting up empty stats. He is playing both sides of the ball. Historically, Ant has put up empty stats. No idea what he is capable of this season. I am hoping he has seen the defensive intensity has changed a full 180 on this team. But I am not looking for Ant to lead this team period. I like what Brogdon is doing as sixth man and if he wants to stay and do that, let him. He is a steadying force. It is not Ant's fault Sharpe is better than him. Its just basketball. Happens all the time. But I doubt Ant wants to be a sixth man at this young of an age. Send him to a good situation. Joe seems to be good at that.
 
Natebishop3 said:
We shouldn’t HAVE to trade Simons. He’s a perfect third guard. We can still get him 30+ minutes a night. We just have to sell him on coming off the bench.
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Agree and until he actually indicates in any way that he would be upset about coming off the bench, then I see no reason to think it will be a problem.
 
I’m not too surprised our D is ranked top 10, and won’t be surprised if it stays top 15 over November into December. Sharpe is actually pretty good defensively, making good use of his length and speed to make switches I didn’t think were possible. The block for sure but earlier in that game he was doubling a guy on the low block and the guy threw it out to the perimeter for what would have been a wide open three. Except Shae switched while the ball was in there air and made it to the guy on the perimeter at the same moment the guy caught the ball. It was one of the fastest defensive switches I’ve ever seen. And it felt like we had six guys on the floor for a moment.

I know he can’t spend all that energy on defense and be amazing on offense every night but! Shae is going to become known as one of those players who is fucking frustrating to face because could already score and defend at an all-star level at 20
 
inconceivable said:
Shae has shown he deserves a starting spot. Scoot has shown glimpses he could be deserving of a starting spot. It's just a matter of Scoot making it easier for Chauncey to explain to Ant why he needs to come off the bench.
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Scoot’s got a month then; let’s hope he makes the best of it. Maybe the reset of taking last game off with the ankle will make him move at the game’s speed rather than trying to outrun it.
 
inconceivable said:
Shae has shown he deserves a starting spot. Scoot has shown glimpses he could be deserving of a starting spot. It's just a matter of Scoot making it easier for Chauncey to explain to Ant why he needs to come off the bench.
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But then Chauncey has to decide between Ant/Brogdon for sixth man. I like Brogdon, but have no idea if he wants to stay. If Ant is as good as everyone see him to be, he should get a good return in trade.
 
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