Malcolm Brogdon trade ideas

[BankTeller]

Wait, Brogdon brings in Mo Wagner AND two firsts? I can't see that ever going down. Wagner has been fantastic.

Yeah, it sounds like a lot, but it really depends on where they are and the rest of the landscape in February.

These are the things we know about Orlando's roster/recent play:
- They are playing well, and can continue to play well into the deadline
- They have their two pillars, as well as the recent lotto selections of Suggs, Howard, and Black
- Without Wagner, they still have solid vets in WCJ, Ingles, and Harris. Anthony is also the prototypical scoring guard 6th man that fits with a Brogdon/Suggs backcourt


- The DEN '25 1st will be a bad 1st, and ORL will be good enough in '26 for that 1st to be early-mid 20's, which won't be a good 1st
- Brogdon would be the undisputed best PG free agent this summer if he was one. Harden is the biggest name, Lowry/DLo/Conley/Dinwiddie are the other notable names. Unless the Magic love one of those guys, Brogdon's bird rights alone are worth a 1st round pick

The Magic are going to be stuck. Their team looks like they're ready to take the next step into completing at the top of the conference. But unless they decide to enter the Mitchell sweepstakes, who are the guard that is going to put them over the top? They would certainly have the picks to be competitive in a sweepstakes, but Howard/Black both look like they would be poor consolation prizes, which means trading Suggs. They are very solid in the front court, poor in backcourt depth. This trade would definitely be a 'leap-of-faith' kind of trade. When the Bucks traded pick #24 + 2 more 1sts + 2 pick swaps for Holiday before any Giannis extension, I thought it was kind of crazy at the time. That was the trade that pushed them over the top though. Whatever Brogdon is doing for us here, he would be doing for Orlando there, except he is guaranteed a starting spot even with a healthy roster, he'll for sure be competing in the playoffs, and he won't have to pay state income tax. The more I think about it, the more I think this is a likely destination for him by the deadline.

 

[BankTeller]

Wait, Brogdon brings in Mo Wagner AND two firsts? I can't see that ever going down. Wagner has been fantastic.

Also keep in mind that the two 1sts, nor losing Mo, should be as big of a hit as the benefit that Brogdon could do to Suggs (already great defensively, just needs to be more refined offensively). The '25 DEN 1st is coming in a year where they still already have their own 1st to take a crack at a talent in the draft, and they'll have their 1st this year to find a big man in an big-abundant draft.

I can assure you that they have a less than 1/4 shot to find a guard in the mid 20's this year that will be as good as Brogdon in the next four years. There is almost certain to be big man in the mid 20's who can be a valuable bench big on a good team.

 

[BankTeller]

Yeah, it sounds like a lot, but it really depends on where they are and the rest of the landscape in February.

These are the things we know about Orlando's roster/recent play:
- They are playing well, and can continue to play well into the deadline
- They have their two pillars, as well as the recent lotto selections of Suggs, Howard, and Black
- Without Wagner, they still have solid vets in WCJ, Ingles, and Harris. Anthony is also the prototypical scoring guard 6th man that fits with a Brogdon/Suggs backcourt


- The DEN '25 1st will be a bad 1st, and ORL will be good enough in '26 for that 1st to be early-mid 20's, which won't be a good 1st
- Brogdon would be the undisputed best PG free agent this summer if he was one. Harden is the biggest name, Lowry/DLo/Conley/Dinwiddie are the other notable names. Unless the Magic love one of those guys, Brogdon's bird rights alone are worth a 1st round pick

The Magic are going to be stuck. Their team looks like they're ready to take the next step into completing at the top of the conference. But unless they decide to enter the Mitchell sweepstakes, who are the guard that is going to put them over the top? They would certainly have the picks to be competitive in a sweepstakes, but Howard/Black both look like they would be poor consolation prizes, which means trading Suggs. They are very solid in the front court, poor in backcourt depth. This trade would definitely be a 'leap-of-faith' kind of trade. When the Bucks traded pick #24 + 2 more 1sts + 2 pick swaps for Holiday before any Giannis extension, I thought it was kind of crazy at the time. That was the trade that pushed them over the top though. Whatever Brogdon is doing for us here, he would be doing for Orlando there, except he is guaranteed a starting spot even with a healthy roster, he'll for sure be competing in the playoffs, and he won't have to pay state income tax. The more I think about it, the more I think this is a likely destination for him by the deadline.

Also keep in mind that the two 1sts, nor losing Mo, should be as big of a hit as the benefit that Brogdon could do to Suggs (already great defensively, just needs to be more refined offensively). The '25 DEN 1st is coming in a year where they still already have their own 1st to take a crack at a talent in the draft, and they'll have their 1st this year to find a big man in an big-abundant draft.

I can assure you that they have a less than 1/4 shot to find a guard in the mid 20's this year that will be as good as Brogdon in the next four years. There is almost certain to be big man in the mid 20's who can be a valuable bench big on a good team.

If you've felt like my reasons for why Orlando would do this deal, this is the kind of trade I would like to see for Brogdon. This is not "bottoming out". This is not "trading Brogdon for whatever". This is simply continuing the mission of acquiring assets, while still improving as a team.

If we still draft a big man with that high 2nd from the Hornets, our C rotation will be DA/Wagner/Williams/rookie going into next season. That is not "bottoming out", that is building literally the best big man rotation we've seen in Portland ever. This is adding 2 more 1st to an improving war chest of future assets. Wagner is also a backup C that we can bring back for multiple years if he is a good fit here. Maybe we can trade Fultz to a team for a flyer at a taller position, is there a 'Nikeil Alexander Walker' of forwards that might be available this year?

 

[blazerkor]

For those of you who keep on talking about the detriment of tanking and the supposed "losing culture" that we don't want our young players to learn... let me point out Orlando who definitely have been tanking for three straight seasons and somehow (talent) they're now able to put things together and play winning basketball.

If we want more talent, this isn't the year to try and eke our way into the play-ins or some bullshit like that. Let's get the most talent we can out of this draft. Let's trade guys who are more valuable to teams that are really trying to win now than they are to us. Let's have some patience and maybe not as long as Philly did but still "trust the process".

 

[wizenheimer]

For those of you who keep on talking about the detriment of tanking and the supposed "losing culture" that we don't want our young players to learn... let me point out Orlando who definitely have been tanking for three straight seasons and somehow (talent) they're now able to put things together and play winning basketball.

If we want more talent, this isn't the year to try and eke our way into the play-ins or some bullshit like that. Let's get the most talent we can out of this draft. Let's trade guys who are more valuable to teams that are really trying to win now than they are to us. Let's have some patience and maybe not as long as Philly did but still "trust the process".

big difference though, is that Orlando's young talent is mostly in the front court: 6'10 Banchero; 6'10 Wagner; 6'10 Carter. Those 3 starters are averaging 50 points, 21 rebounds, and 10 assists. And they all fit into the definition of 2-way players. Yeah, they have 22 year old Suggs and 23 year old Anthony in the back court, but Orlando built quality length. They used 4 lottery picks on 3 guys 6'10 and one guy 6'5. And that doesn't include 6'6 Anthony Black

Orlando is 14-5 and they are winning because they are 2nd in the NBA in defense. Length matters and I'm not sure that Portland has received that memo

I do agree that it would theoretically be a much better outcome to get a high draft pick than maybe have a shot of the 10th seed and play-in

 

[PCmor7]

For those of you who keep on talking about the detriment of tanking and the supposed "losing culture" that we don't want our young players to learn... let me point out Orlando who definitely have been tanking for three straight seasons and somehow (talent) they're now able to put things together and play winning basketball.

If we want more talent, this isn't the year to try and eke our way into the play-ins or some bullshit like that. Let's get the most talent we can out of this draft. Let's trade guys who are more valuable to teams that are really trying to win now than they are to us. Let's have some patience and maybe not as long as Philly did but still "trust the process".

Well, each of those last three years the Magic have had multiple players with six or more years of NBA experience, including at least one guy who was an NBA all-star. And they aren't even 20 games into this season, so it's hard to say they're the real-deal example you want them to be just yet.

 

[blazerkor]

Well, each of those last three years the Magic have had multiple players with six or more years of NBA experience, including at least one guy who was an NBA all-star. And they aren't even 20 games into this season, so it's hard to say they're the real-deal example you want them to be just yet.

This wasn't an argument I was making saying that we shouldn't have any vets on this team, we definitely should. It's the people saying that our young players need to win now in order to be prepared to win when they are more developed and ready to lead teams to wins. That's just not true. We can definitely afford to have a terrible record this season and in fact I don't think we have the talent yet that allows us not to try and get the best pick possible.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

This wasn't an argument I was making saying that we shouldn't have any vets on this team, we definitely should. It's the people saying that our young players need to win now in order to be prepared to win when they are more developed and ready to lead teams to wins. That's just not true. We can definitely afford to have a terrible record this season and in fact I don't think we have the talent yet that allows us not to try and get the best pick possible.

Except, nobody is "saying that our young players need to win now in order to be prepared to win when they are more developed and ready to lead teams to wins." You're arguing against a position nobody has taken (the definition of a strawman).

What people are saying is that our young players likely learn/develop more playing in competitive games than in blowout losses. That is a completely different statement.

 

[BankTeller]

in fact I don't think we have the talent yet that allows us not to try and get the best pick possible.

I don’t think this is an issue. Even close to the deadline, we should be able to close the gap and get among the five best odds at #1. That’s assuming we are even close to the play-in, there’s still a chance we are nowhere near it at the deadline.

The best outcome would obviously to get one of the top 3 picks (this year, getting the NUMBER 1 PICK probably means squat, top 3 would be good enough for me) and have a GSW lotto pick as well.

The second best outcome would be to maybe be around that 9-11 range and missing the play-in, but also have a GSW likely also in that range, so we get two cracks in the late lotto in a weaker draft.

The second worst outcome would be for us to make the playoffs and lose our pick, and GSW is in the 9-10ish range. Second worst outcome, but not a terrible outcome. The young guys get a sample size of the effort it takes to make the playoffs, we still have a mid-late lotto pick, and the Hornets’ 2nd is still basically an early 2nd (we can trade up with additional 2nds to trade up into the 1st, if anything).

The worst outcome would have a pretty slim chance. We make the playoffs and lose our 1st, and GSW gets into the top 4 with the 9-10th best odds at #1. Having only the Hornets’ 2nd and the Hawks’ 2nd would hurt, but we would have gotten rid of our pick obligation to the Bulls in a weak draft, and the Warriors are still a year older next season. Their pick is #1 protected next year, so it would be Flagg or bust for them.

(I ignored the possibility of having 2 high lottos because I just don’t see the Warriors slipping that low)

Even the worst outcome isn’t a terrible outcome. This is a season to just be happy with whatever the direction is. I think most of us think Cronin has learned from observing the Process and other all-in moves like the Gobert and Mitchell trade. Cronin is also showing he isn’t getting rid of pieces for nothing. So it’s best to be happy with whatever decision is made.

 

[BankTeller]

What people are saying is that our young players likely learn/develop more playing in competitive games than in blowout losses. That is a completely different statement.

This doesn’t make sense at all. Not that your statement is wrong, but that you are assuming our young players can’t learn/develop in blowout losses, or that vets can’t even be a reason to blowout losses?

Teams get blown out sometimes, it just happens. Even the good teams get blown out. In the last game, it was the vets who put us in that hole, and it was the young guys who brought us back. Sure, the vets closed the deal. But that doesn’t point to the fact that having vets causes less blowout losses. Consistent effort is what prevents blowout losses.

Yes, you still need guys who can run the coach’s schemes, and even young guys who play hard are going to get blown out without anyone teaching them the game. But that’s why a vet is still a vet, even if they can’t play anymore. Lowry is still pumping out solid production at 37, just not good enough to be an asset on a contending team. He’s still a guy that can play 30mpg so he can be on the court with the young guys and obviously the accolades speak for themselves, so he’s a great mentor for the guards. We aren’t worse off long term with Lowry than Brogdon. And Lowry is just an example.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

This doesn’t make sense at all. Not that your statement is wrong, but that you are assuming our young players can’t learn/develop in blowout losses

Nope, not what I said. I readily acknowledge that players can and do learn/develop while playing on a terrible team that is routinely blown out (how I would define a "trash team", going back to the post that precipitated this whole discussion). What I said is that I believe that they develop better when they are consistently playing in competitive games than in lopsided ones.

 

[BankTeller]

Nope, not what I said. I readily acknowledge that players can and do learn/develop while playing on a terrible team that is routinely blown out (how I would define a "trash team", going back to the post that precipitated this whole discussion). What I said is that I believe that they develop better when they are consistently playing in competitive games than in lopsided ones.

Again, I don't see why having Brogdon as opposed to another vet helps them develop better. Again, staying competitive in games is, more often than not, an effort thing.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Again, I don't see why having Brogdon as opposed to another vet helps them develop better. Again, staying competitive in games is, more often than not, an effort thing.

I said nothing about Brogdon specifically. Yes, this is the Brogdon thread, but this discussion is more abstract.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I do agree that it would theoretically be a much better outcome to get a high draft pick than maybe have a shot of the 10th seed and play-in

Maybe on average that is true. Really depends on the quality of the draft though.

Go back and look at some prior ones, some years there's stars in picks 1-6 and other years next to nothing the whole lottery. This 2024 draft projects very bad. Yeah projections aren't perfect, still just doesn't seem like there is the same high expected value of a top pick this year.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Again, staying competitive in games is, more often than not, an effort thing.

Totally disagree. Being competitive is primarily a talent thing. Yeah effort helps, but talent dwarfs that impact.

 

[BIG Q]

In my view, being competitive is an individual thing. Being a contender is a team thing. I go over this with my 10 y/o all the time. Individually, players give good/great effort or they are competitors. Competitors are players that make a difference in games. They win their matchups. Doesn't matter if you are a defensive specialist, offensive player, rebounder or whatever. Win your matchups. A good player can dive for a loose ball and might not come up with it. A competitor dives for that same loose ball and comes up with it every time. As for being competitive, that is a team thing and is made up of players winning their matchups by being true competitors. Competitive teams are made up of players winning their matchups consistently. Difference makers.

 

[BankTeller]

This is a trade that popped into my head.

Blazers get: Hunter, Williams (into TPE), ‘24 SAC lotto protected 1st (top 12 protected in ‘25, top 10 protected in ‘26, ‘27 and ‘28 unprotected 2nds if not conveyed)—we trade Brogdon and the ‘24 Hawks 2nd. Hunter has not lived up to his hype as the #4 pick, but he would still be the second best forward on the team behind Grant. He is 26, cheaper than Grant, and has three years left on his deal. Hunter is a good defender and is respectable from 3, he would be the second best shooting forward behind Grant. Injuries have been an issue in the past, but he did play 67 games last year, 52 the year before that, and has played every game this year. I didn’t want to take a ‘24 1st back, but I think the Raptors will want the unprotected 1st even if it’s five years in the future. The good news would be that we likely secure our two or three favorite players in the draft. Or we can trade one into a future 1st. Williams would just add to the battle at SF/PF. Personally, I still really like Williams as a prospect and prefer him to Murray. Williams is coming along decently as a shot creator, but is no where near the defender anyone thought he’d be. I suspected the shooting woes like everyone else, but he keeps getting better. If Billups can get him to buy in as a defender and he continues to improve as a shooter, his physical talent is going to propel him to becoming an elite 3-D player, and that would be his floor.

Hawks get: Siakam—they trade Capela’s expiring, Hunter, AJ Griffin, 2 1sts, and 2 2nds. Siakam being able to share minutes at C with Okungwu at C allows more playing time for Jalen and Saddiq at SF/PF. That’s the team they’re going to be locked into this core for the next several years.

Raptors get: Brogdon, Kinnard, Griffin, ‘29 ATL unprotected 1st, ‘24 ATL unprotected 2nd, ‘26 LAC unprotected 2nd, ‘27 LAC unprotected 2nd, ‘28 HOU unprotected 2nd—Raptors trade Siakam. Griffin is still an exciting young prospect, Brogdon is going to be a great starter next to the PG they decide to tank for, and the 2 LAC 2nds should be pretty high. The Hawks are the only team I know of that were willing to offer 2 1sts for Siakam, and even then, they were unwilling to trade Bufkin. Brogdon, OG, Barnes, and Poetl are all guys that are ready to compete, they can draft a guy like Topic and re-sign Trent. Curious to see the final Siakam package.

Grizzlies get: Capela—they trade Kinnard’s expiring, Williams, and an LAC 2nd for Capela’s expiring to compete for a playoff berth when Ja is back. Next year, Adams will be expiring and will still be coming off the injury, Capela could be re-signed to play the Adams role going forward, or Memphis could even try to keep both guys around long term.

I feel pretty good about all sides getting a fair end. Give me some opinions. Didn’t do trade machine, someone can if they want.

 

[BankTeller]

This is a trade that popped into my head.

Blazers get: Hunter, Williams (into TPE), ‘24 SAC lotto protected 1st (top 12 protected in ‘25, top 10 protected in ‘26, ‘27 and ‘28 unprotected 2nds if not conveyed)—we trade Brogdon and the ‘24 Hawks 2nd. Hunter has not lived up to his hype as the #4 pick, but he would still be the second best forward on the team behind Grant. He is 26, cheaper than Grant, and has three years left on his deal. Hunter is a good defender and is respectable from 3, he would be the second best shooting forward behind Grant. Injuries have been an issue in the past, but he did play 67 games last year, 52 the year before that, and has played every game this year. I didn’t want to take a ‘24 1st back, but I think the Raptors will want the unprotected 1st even if it’s five years in the future. The good news would be that we likely secure our two or three favorite players in the draft. Or we can trade one into a future 1st. Williams would just add to the battle at SF/PF. Personally, I still really like Williams as a prospect and prefer him to Murray. Williams is coming along decently as a shot creator, but is no where near the defender anyone thought he’d be. I suspected the shooting woes like everyone else, but he keeps getting better. We conveniently give up a 2nd from the that team gets the star in the deal.

Hawks get: Siakam—they trade Capela’s expiring, Hunter, AJ Griffin, 2 1sts, and 2 2nds. Siakam being able to share minutes at C with Okungwu at C allows more playing time for Jalen and Saddiq at SF/PF. That’s the team they’re going to be locked into this core for the next several years.

Raptors get: Brogdon, Kinnard, Griffin, ‘29 ATL unprotected 1st, ‘24 ATL unprotected 2nd, ‘26 LAC unprotected 2nd, ‘27 LAC unprotected 2nd, ‘28 HOU unprotected 2nd—Raptors trade Siakam. Griffin is still an exciting young prospect, Brogdon is going to be a great starter next to the PG they decide to tank for, and the 2 LAC 2nds should be pretty high. The Hawks are the only team I know of that were willing to offer 2 1sts for Siakam, and even then, they were unwilling to trade Bufkin. Brogdon, OG, Barnes, and Poetl are all guys that are ready to compete, they can draft a guy like Topic and re-sign Trent. Curious to see the final Siakam package.

Grizzlies get: Capela—they trade Kinnard’s expiring, Williams, and an LAC 2nd for Capela’s expiring to compete for a playoff berth when Ja is back. Next year, Adams will be expiring and will still be coming off the injury, Capela could be re-signed to play the Adams role going forward, or Memphis could even try to keep both guys around long term.

I feel pretty good about all sides getting a fair end. Give me some opinions. Didn’t do trade machine, someone can if they want.

Roster before the draft:

Ant/Scoot/Mays
Shae/Ant/Thybulle/Rupert
Hunter/Camara/Walker/Williams/Kris
Grant/Camara/Walker/Williams/Kris
DA/____/Reath

Then there’s our lotto pick, the GSW 1st, the SAC 1st, and the CHA 2nd. All we would need is more of competition at the PF position for us to feel comfortable with moving Grant for another piece. We need to draft a C, maybe even sign a vet C + draft a C and keep Reath around as an emergency big. But I think this would be a lot of talent to have just one true year into a rebuild, considering we haven’t even added any names from the upcoming draft to that theoretical roster.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

This is a trade that popped into my head.

Blazers get: Hunter, Williams (into TPE), ‘24 SAC lotto protected 1st (top 12 protected in ‘25, top 10 protected in ‘26, ‘27 and ‘28 unprotected 2nds if not conveyed)—we trade Brogdon and the ‘24 Hawks 2nd. Hunter has not lived up to his hype as the #4 pick, but he would still be the second best forward on the team behind Grant. He is 26, cheaper than Grant, and has three years left on his deal. Hunter is a good defender and is respectable from 3, he would be the second best shooting forward behind Grant. Injuries have been an issue in the past, but he did play 67 games last year, 52 the year before that, and has played every game this year. I didn’t want to take a ‘24 1st back, but I think the Raptors will want the unprotected 1st even if it’s five years in the future. The good news would be that we likely secure our two or three favorite players in the draft. Or we can trade one into a future 1st. Williams would just add to the battle at SF/PF. Personally, I still really like Williams as a prospect and prefer him to Murray. Williams is coming along decently as a shot creator, but is no where near the defender anyone thought he’d be. I suspected the shooting woes like everyone else, but he keeps getting better. If Billups can get him to buy in as a defender and he continues to improve as a shooter, his physical talent is going to propel him to becoming an elite 3-D player, and that would be his floor.

Hawks get: Siakam—they trade Capela’s expiring, Hunter, AJ Griffin, 2 1sts, and 2 2nds. Siakam being able to share minutes at C with Okungwu at C allows more playing time for Jalen and Saddiq at SF/PF. That’s the team they’re going to be locked into this core for the next several years.

Raptors get: Brogdon, Kinnard, Griffin, ‘29 ATL unprotected 1st, ‘24 ATL unprotected 2nd, ‘26 LAC unprotected 2nd, ‘27 LAC unprotected 2nd, ‘28 HOU unprotected 2nd—Raptors trade Siakam. Griffin is still an exciting young prospect, Brogdon is going to be a great starter next to the PG they decide to tank for, and the 2 LAC 2nds should be pretty high. The Hawks are the only team I know of that were willing to offer 2 1sts for Siakam, and even then, they were unwilling to trade Bufkin. Brogdon, OG, Barnes, and Poetl are all guys that are ready to compete, they can draft a guy like Topic and re-sign Trent. Curious to see the final Siakam package.

Grizzlies get: Capela—they trade Kinnard’s expiring, Williams, and an LAC 2nd for Capela’s expiring to compete for a playoff berth when Ja is back. Next year, Adams will be expiring and will still be coming off the injury, Capela could be re-signed to play the Adams role going forward, or Memphis could even try to keep both guys around long term.

I feel pretty good about all sides getting a fair end. Give me some opinions. Didn’t do trade machine, someone can if they want.

I think I got it all.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

This is a trade that popped into my head.

Blazers get: Hunter, Williams (into TPE), ‘24 SAC lotto protected 1st (top 12 protected in ‘25, top 10 protected in ‘26, ‘27 and ‘28 unprotected 2nds if not conveyed)—we trade Brogdon and the ‘24 Hawks 2nd. Hunter has not lived up to his hype as the #4 pick, but he would still be the second best forward on the team behind Grant. He is 26, cheaper than Grant, and has three years left on his deal. Hunter is a good defender and is respectable from 3, he would be the second best shooting forward behind Grant. Injuries have been an issue in the past, but he did play 67 games last year, 52 the year before that, and has played every game this year. I didn’t want to take a ‘24 1st back, but I think the Raptors will want the unprotected 1st even if it’s five years in the future. The good news would be that we likely secure our two or three favorite players in the draft. Or we can trade one into a future 1st. Williams would just add to the battle at SF/PF. Personally, I still really like Williams as a prospect and prefer him to Murray. Williams is coming along decently as a shot creator, but is no where near the defender anyone thought he’d be. I suspected the shooting woes like everyone else, but he keeps getting better. If Billups can get him to buy in as a defender and he continues to improve as a shooter, his physical talent is going to propel him to becoming an elite 3-D player, and that would be his floor.

Hawks get: Siakam—they trade Capela’s expiring, Hunter, AJ Griffin, 2 1sts, and 2 2nds. Siakam being able to share minutes at C with Okungwu at C allows more playing time for Jalen and Saddiq at SF/PF. That’s the team they’re going to be locked into this core for the next several years.

Raptors get: Brogdon, Kinnard, Griffin, ‘29 ATL unprotected 1st, ‘24 ATL unprotected 2nd, ‘26 LAC unprotected 2nd, ‘27 LAC unprotected 2nd, ‘28 HOU unprotected 2nd—Raptors trade Siakam. Griffin is still an exciting young prospect, Brogdon is going to be a great starter next to the PG they decide to tank for, and the 2 LAC 2nds should be pretty high. The Hawks are the only team I know of that were willing to offer 2 1sts for Siakam, and even then, they were unwilling to trade Bufkin. Brogdon, OG, Barnes, and Poetl are all guys that are ready to compete, they can draft a guy like Topic and re-sign Trent. Curious to see the final Siakam package.

Grizzlies get: Capela—they trade Kinnard’s expiring, Williams, and an LAC 2nd for Capela’s expiring to compete for a playoff berth when Ja is back. Next year, Adams will be expiring and will still be coming off the injury, Capela could be re-signed to play the Adams role going forward, or Memphis could even try to keep both guys around long term.

I feel pretty good about all sides getting a fair end. Give me some opinions. Didn’t do trade machine, someone can if they want.

Suggest posting a fanspo screenshot - I have no idea what team is giving up or getting what.

edit nevermind I see Ptlplad did... thx

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I think I got it all.

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Don't see the Raptors interested at all - seems like a weak Siakam return for them. The 2nds and Kennard are near worthless. So basically Brogdon and a 1st... they didn't even want to give up Siakam for Dame! If they do trade Siakam it'll be for a bigger haul or a player younger than Brogdon. Doesn't make sense to swap one 30 year old for a worse one for a playin/lottery team.

From Portlands end I don't see Hunter being that significant here long term. Is he the answer long term as a starting forward? If you say yes then that changes the calculus. I'd say no - so whats the point for us to add such player when were rebuilding and already have Thybulle/Camera/Walker in that role? I'd rather target a better pick or two picks.

I suppose from Portland end if you are thinking short term and a better roster fit this makes sense. I would rather target long term assets on trades, I'm just not worried about trying to win this or next season.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Don't see the Raptors interested at all - seems like a weak Siakam return for them.

I was thinking just the opposite. Why would the Hawks give up so much for Siakam, who is not shooting well and is on the last year of his contract?

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

Don't see the Raptors interested at all - seems like a weak Siakam return for them. The 2nds and Kennard are near worthless. So basically Brogdon and a 1st... they didn't even want to give up Siakam for Dame! If they do trade Siakam it'll be for a bigger haul or a player younger than Brogdon. Doesn't make sense to swap one 30 year old for a worse one for a playin/lottery team.

Agree. Toronto would say no. They would want more for Siakam.

I can't see Hawks paying this price either.
Portland & Grizz are stealing value here.

End of the day - this is DOA.

 

[blazerkor]

Malcolm seems like the nicest guy and is a great ball player. I hope he isn't hurt and his knee really was just sore. That being said, we need to move this dude to a contending team in need of a two way win now PG as soon as he is healthy. We aren't winning shit (that means in the playoffs) anytime soon. We need pieces like Malcolm and Jerami on teams that can use them to win in the playoffs now and we need those teams that acquire them to give us assets that make sense for us in the window that we should be expecting to contend in based on the age of our most valuable players on this roster.

If you think this is a bad take of mine that I'm sticking with... I seriously question either your intelligence or how losing for so long has inhibited your ability to think clearly about our team.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Malcolm seems like the nicest guy and is a great ball player. I hope he isn't hurt and his knee really was just sore. That being said, we need to move this dude to a contending team in need of a two way win now PG as soon as he is healthy. We aren't winning shit (that means in the playoffs) anytime soon. We need pieces like Malcolm and Jerami on teams that can use them to win in the playoffs now and we need those teams that acquire them to give us assets that make sense for us in the window that we should be expecting to contend in based on the age of our most valuable players on this roster.

If you think this is a bad take of mine that I'm sticking with... I seriously question either your intelligence or how losing for so long has inhibited your ability to think clearly about our team.

I really like Brogdon but they need to move him now that Ant is back. Not enough time. Get a 1st and call it a day before he gets a major injury.

 

[BankTeller]

Malcolm seems like the nicest guy and is a great ball player. I hope he isn't hurt and his knee really was just sore. That being said, we need to move this dude to a contending team in need of a two way win now PG as soon as he is healthy. We aren't winning shit (that means in the playoffs) anytime soon. We need pieces like Malcolm and Jerami on teams that can use them to win in the playoffs now and we need those teams that acquire them to give us assets that make sense for us in the window that we should be expecting to contend in based on the age of our most valuable players on this roster.

If you think this is a bad take of mine that I'm sticking with... I seriously question either your intelligence or how losing for so long has inhibited your ability to think clearly about our team.

Brogdon, yes. Grant, we don’t need to move right away. Unless there is a forward who we think that can be better than Grant down the line, there isn’t a rush.

If we draft multiple forwards in the draft (possibly land Sarr), AND a combination of Camara, Walker, or Murray have gotten substantially better, then the need to trade Grant is more palpable.

 

[AquaXI]

As much as I love this guy on our team, I think we need to sell high this at the same time giving important growing pain minutes to our youngins.

 

[PCmor7]

Malcolm seems like the nicest guy and is a great ball player. I hope he isn't hurt and his knee really was just sore. That being said, we need to move this dude to a contending team in need of a two way win now PG as soon as he is healthy. We aren't winning shit (that means in the playoffs) anytime soon. We need pieces like Malcolm and Jerami on teams that can use them to win in the playoffs now and we need those teams that acquire them to give us assets that make sense for us in the window that we should be expecting to contend in based on the age of our most valuable players on this roster.

If you think this is a bad take of mine that I'm sticking with... I seriously question either your intelligence or how losing for so long has inhibited your ability to think clearly about our team.

Since "bad take" was mentioned I'm going to presume you're directing this toward me because I used that term when describing how being married to trading Brogdon ASAP is the only proper path for the team.

You can question my intelligence. I'll simply point out that "losing for so long" is two seasons out of the playoffs, one of which Lillard was out most of the year with his core surgery and the other was a season in which we were in or close to at least a play-in spot when we tanked, and I think most fans around any organized sport wouldn't consider going to the postseason eight straight years as losing.

We now return you to your regularly-scheduled panty-bunching.

 

[BankTeller]

I saw this trade idea from a Jazz-related site:

Brogdon + ‘24 ATL 2nd for Olynyk’s expiring + THT + ‘29 top 5 protected MIN 1st

That might be the best 1st on the table at the deadline, if the Jazz are willing to part with it. The players aren’t enticing. Olynyk has all the same problems as Reath, and THT isn’t a long term piece.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I really like Brogdon but they need to move him now that Ant is back. Not enough time. Get a 1st and call it a day before he gets a major injury.

A first from a lottery team would be fine, but not from a contender.