Malik Allen

[ghoti]

OK, I've seen enough of this guy.

He is the worst defensive player on the team - and that includes Marcus Williams. He is very weak and easy to get position against. He is impossibly slow both in a straight line down the court and laterally in the paint. He knows where to rotate, but he has no hope of getting there in time because of his lead feet. He is also short (6' 10", my ass) and easy to get a shot off against. He cannot close out on any shooter, at any time, ever.

He is also an ineffecual rebounder. Besides being weak and short, he has terrible timing and no lift when he jumps. He is extremely slow off the floor, so if his timing is off - which is almost every time - he can't get back up. His hands are poor and it's easy to snatch the ball away from him.

Offensively, if he receives the ball at any time when he doesn't have an immediate uncontested jumper or a clear path to the goal (with forward movement) he is useless. He's not going to create anything with a pass or a dribble. It's heave or reset. Those are the only options. In the paint, he has no offensive game at all and even if he manages to get right under the basket he has no chance of scoring as long as someone is guarding him.

He is shooting 47% on completely uncontested jumpers and whatever garbage baskets he manages to get (which isn't many). The journeyman he replaced shot about 15% better in the exact same role last season.

Every time this guy is on the court, it's a signal to the other team that the Nets are vulnerable and they always take advantage.

He makes the Nets a lot worse every minute he plays. He contributes nothing but a mental understanding of what he's "supposed" to do, but doesn't have any physical tools to do those things.

If I were Thorn, I'd release this guy so Frank has no option to play him (which won't happen because Thorn was the guy who wanted him in the first place).

Maybe he can be a coach or something. I don't know. He's certainly not good enough to average 18 MPG on an NBA team. (Ugh)

 

[cpawfan]

In other words, a typical Thorn FA acquisition

 

[Kid Chocolate]

I saw Malik play in HS! YAY!

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Dec 27 2007, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>In other words, a typical Thorn FA acquisition</div>

Above average, actually.

He only signed a one year deal (and won't cripple the team for seasons to come) and he's playing over a much more expensive FA at the same position.

But it's Frank's fault this guy sucks. Thorn shouldn't be held accountable because Colangelo handed him Jason Kidd seven years ago.

 

[soul driver]

simple solution: bye bye Malik, hello Rod Benson

 

[jtballa2o1]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 27 2007, 09:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>OK, I've seen enough of this guy.

He is the worst defensive player on the team - and that includes Marcus Williams. He is very weak and easy to get position against. He is impossibly slow both in a straight line down the court and laterally in the paint. He knows where to rotate, but he has no hope of getting there in time because of his lead feet. He is also short (6' 10", my ass) and easy to get a shot off against. He cannot close out on any shooter, at any time, ever.

He is also an ineffecual rebounder. Besides being weak and short, he has terrible timing and no lift when he jumps. He is extremely slow off the floor, so if his timing is off - which is almost every time - he can't get back up. His hands are poor and it's easy to snatch the ball away from him.

Offensively, if he receives the ball at any time when he doesn't have an immediate uncontested jumper or a clear path to the goal (with forward movement) he is useless. He's not going to create anything with a pass or a dribble. It's heave or reset. Those are the only options. In the paint, he has no offensive game at all and even if he manages to get right under the basket he has no chance of scoring as long as someone is guarding him.

He is shooting 47% on completely uncontested jumpers and whatever garbage baskets he manages to get (which isn't many). The journeyman he replaced shot about 15% better in the exact same role last season.

Every time this guy is on the court, it's a signal to the other team that the Nets are vulnerable and they always take advantage.

He makes the Nets a lot worse every minute he plays. He contributes nothing but a mental understanding of what he's "supposed" to do, but doesn't have any physical tools to do those things.

If I were Thorn, I'd release this guy so Frank has no option to play him (which won't happen because Thorn was the guy who wanted him in the first place).

Maybe he can be a coach or something. I don't know. He's certainly not good enough to average 18 MPG on an NBA team. (Ugh)</div>
I agree with you, but his jump shot is consistent, but this guy is horrible on defense, omg I cant believe Franks gonna be a dick giving Jamal no playing time when hes gonna leave his heart out on the court.

 

[Dark Defender]

I wouldn't call his jumper consistent maybe a better option than most of our other guys but not consistent.

Marcus worked really hard yesterday and gave him 2 wide open looks and clank.

 

[ghoti]

His shots are all wide open and uncontested and he can only get them if somebody else does the work.

And he still only shoots 47%, despite these shots all being from 18 feet and in.

 

[Balla 15]

You forgot to mention the part where, when he actually does get a rebounder *shocker* he either travels or they steal it back. Then again I guess that would fall under your 'poor hands' thing. Nevertheless, Malik needs to see no more than 10 minutes of action. His defense is just

 

[reganomics813]

I was in favor of Malik during training camp and as an end of the bench player for us to play if we were really hit hard by injuries but now that he's been given the chance he's done nothing to prove he deserves to be on this team. Sure there's a couple games where his jumper has helped us out but those contributions aren't anything that couldn't just as easily be replaced by a younger player who hustles his butt off and actually gets a stop from time to time.

 

[soul driver]

rod benson...he's ready! DO IT MEGATHRON

 

[Denny Crane]

Bulls lose Malik Allen and now look at them. Coincidence? NOT!

 

[Kid Chocolate]

What is this talk about Magloire leaving his heart on the court?? wtf??? He's a d-bag.

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Dec 27 2007, 10:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I saw Malik play in HS! YAY!</div>

Was it him and nine skinny six foot and under white kids?

 

[Jizzy]

oh and Collins is? when was the last time you made a thread like this for Collins?

 

[Kid Chocolate]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 27 2007, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Dec 27 2007, 10:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I saw Malik play in HS! YAY!</div>

Was it him and nine skinny six foot and under white kids?
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LOL, everytime I tell someone about how I saw Malik, I always tell them he stuck out like a sore thumb. A 6-8 black guy, on a team full of white guards who were sharpshooters.

I think it was Brian Earl who was on that team, was pretty good @ Princeton.

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Dec 27 2007, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>oh and Collins is? when was the last time you made a thread like this for Collins?</div>

Collins was a key component in winning a playoff series last season.

Why would I create a thread about how he isn't good enough to be in the NBA?

That's stupid.

 

[rory]

Reminds me of criticism made of 2007 NBA champion Jacque Vaughn

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rory @ Dec 27 2007, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Reminds me of criticism made of 2007 NBA champion Jacque Vaughn</div>

He's just as bad.

If Malik Allen was on the Spurs, I'm sure they could make him look decent, too.

 

[pegs]

Yeah...this is what I've been saying since the beginning of the season.

I don't really care how many 15+ point nights he has, he's still a scrub, and quite possibly the worst big man the Nets have gotten in a while. It's pathetic to see this guy ever set foot on the floor.

 

[Real]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Dec 27 2007, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>oh and Collins is? when was the last time you made a thread like this for Collins?</div>

Save your agenda for somewhere else.

 

[Jizzy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 27 2007, 02:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Dec 27 2007, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>oh and Collins is? when was the last time you made a thread like this for Collins?</div>

Collins was a key component in winning a playoff series last season.

Why would I create a thread about how he isn't good enough to be in the NBA?

That's stupid.
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last year, Malik was in the Bulls rotation last year. THIS YEAR, Malik has outperformed Collins yet we hear nothing about him. What does Collins playoff series against Toronto last year have to do about his play THIS YEAR?

 

[Jizzy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Dec 27 2007, 04:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Dec 27 2007, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>oh and Collins is? when was the last time you made a thread like this for Collins?</div>

Save your agenda for somewhere else.
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totally unfair to criticize Malik when he has outperformed Collins and earns 1/24 as much. when will you Collins homers learn

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Dec 27 2007, 05:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 27 2007, 02:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Dec 27 2007, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>oh and Collins is? when was the last time you made a thread like this for Collins?</div>

Collins was a key component in winning a playoff series last season.

Why would I create a thread about how he isn't good enough to be in the NBA?

That's stupid.
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last year, Malik was in the Bulls rotation last year. THIS YEAR, Malik has outperformed Collins yet we hear nothing about him. What does Collins playoff series against Toronto last year have to do about his play THIS YEAR?
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Because the thread is about Malik Allen.

Your posts are annoying. If you don't want to discuss Malik Allen, there are plenty of other threads out there.

 

[Jizzy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 27 2007, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Dec 27 2007, 05:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 27 2007, 02:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Dec 27 2007, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>oh and Collins is? when was the last time you made a thread like this for Collins?</div>

Collins was a key component in winning a playoff series last season.

Why would I create a thread about how he isn't good enough to be in the NBA?

That's stupid.
</div>
last year, Malik was in the Bulls rotation last year. THIS YEAR, Malik has outperformed Collins yet we hear nothing about him. What does Collins playoff series against Toronto last year have to do about his play THIS YEAR?
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Because the thread is about Malik Allen.

Your posts are annoying. If you don't want to discuss Malik Allen, there are plenty of other threads out there.
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fine! Malik Allen sux.

 

[SportsTicker]

Three key dates coming up for Malik:

--January 3. Nets deadline for using their trade exception. If they are creative, they might need to dump Allen. He does NOT have a guaranted deal and the Nets have not said, at least publicly, they will keep him.

--January 7. First day NBA teams can sign players to 10-day contracts. If the Nets sign a big man, it could indicate he is not going to be kept on...

--January 10. Deadline for non guaranteed and partially guaranteed contracts. If Allen survives past this date, he gets the full vets minimum for a player of his service in the league: $998,000, of which $770,000 is paid by the Nets. Of the 14 players on the Nets roster, three do not have guaranteed deals: Allen and Thomas have non guaranteed jobs, Armstrong's deal is partially guaranteed. If the Nets keep all three--they won't--they will have to pay the luxury tax--they won't--unless they can make another deal.

This is NOT the roster the Nets will finish the season with. Bank on it.

 

[Kiddisanet]

Since Krstic probably won't be back by January 10th, I don't see how we wouldn't keep Allen. He's insurance and at least he can shoot sometimes.

 

[cdigs]

I dunno...yeah, he has some defensive weaknesses, but it's not for lack of effort. I've never seen him slacking on defense. Rather he simply doesn't have the physical talents as some others do.

On the other hand, shooting 47% on mostly jumpshots is nothing to sneeze at. Has it ever occurred to critics that the reason he's open most of the time - and it is undeniably true that it is in large part due to the work of the likes of Carter, Kidd, and RJ - is because he knows where to be on the court as a play develops to actually be open?

Not everyone can be a superstar and even less are proficient on both ends of the floor. I'm satisfied with what Malik does: he shoots the mid-range consistently and works hard. Sometimes, that's all you can ask for if you're not willing to pay up (e.g. Mikki Moore).

In general, I'm not getting all of the hate that emanates from this board for players who are really quite solid position players for their price. Guys like Eddie Gill and Malik Allen are not top tier reserves; they're not paid like top tier reserves and they cannot be expected to play like top tier reserves. The guy knocks down his open jumpers consistently...which is what he's paid to do.

 

[MFNetsFan]

People hate on Malik primarily because he was given minutes over Sean / Boone.

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cdigs @ Dec 28 2007, 11:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm satisfied with what Malik does: he shoots the mid-range consistently and works hard. Sometimes, that's all you can ask for if you're not willing to pay up (e.g. Mikki Moore).</div>

Does Allen make less than Moore did last year?

They got Moore for nothing and he was a lot more capable than Allen.

I didn't make this thread after two games or a week into the season. It's been 25 games of terrible, substandard play that led to the judgement that keeping him on the roster is detrimental to winning.

There are other players on Earth. He's not the only option. He's certainly not "all you can ask for".