Man gets 30 days for rape of 14 year-old

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Not to be supportive of the ruling or anything. The dude should be shot for taking advantage of a teen like that, consenting or not. But, when the expert witness dies and cannot testify; their testimony becomes "here say" because the defense cannot "cross examine the witness. So you can be pissed at the judge all you want, the liberal judge did his job. They cannot make a judgement based on his opinion. They must have a "blind eye" and only look at the evidence. Obviously the prosecution didn't have enough to put the man away.

As far as the school system; they cannot fire without determination and since he was not found guilty, they cannot fire him.
 
I am not a lawyer, so I could be totally wrong, but if my hours of watching Law and Order are correct, any plea is a suggestion to the Judge, so Lawyer X and Defendant Y agree to a plea of grand theft auto and 3 months in county lockup. Most of the time the Judge will go along with that, but the Judge can accept the guilty plea and then decide to change the lockup to 1 year.

I could very well be wrong on this.
 
magnifier661 said:
But, when the expert witness dies and cannot testify; their testimony becomes "here say" because the defense cannot "cross examine the witness.
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http://www.courts.state.nh.us/rules/evid/evid-804.htm

ARTICLE VIII. HEARSAY

Rule 804. Hearsay Exceptions; Declarant Unavailable
(a) Definition of unavailability. "Unavailability as a witness" includes situations in which the declarant -
(4) is unable to be present or to testify at the hearing because of death or then existing physical or mental illness or infirmity;

Clearly the judge considered the statements of the victim as admissible, considering the article states that he listened to statements she made before her death, and considered them as relevant in the sentencing.
 
Denny Crane said:
The news often has similar stories. Usually it's a young boy and an older woman teacher.

The teachers never get fired. Or almost never.
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This happens all the time and there's hardly much outrage about it. I wonder if crandc cares about these teenage boys.. But they're probably taking advantage of the old female teachers in some way, right?

That being said, I'd shoot the rapist myself.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
This happens all the time and there's hardly much outrage about it. I wonder if crandc cares about these teenage boys.. But they're probably taking advantage of the old female teachers in some way, right?

That being said, I'd shoot the rapist myself.
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Well, yeah.

If you google "teacher sex" you'll get many thousands of hits. Teachers busted all the time having sex with students.

The thing that makes this case stand out, IMO, is the suicide.

Also, I've generally believed all my life that whatever I (a guy) can feel, a woman feels, too. I think that's been correct, as I've not seen it wrong in all my years. So I figure:

1) if a young boy wants to have sex with a teacher, so do young girls
2) if a young boy wants to have sex with a teacher, so do young gay boys

etc.

So you're going to see older person/child relationships of all kinds.
 
Crandc's concerns was right on the money, and judge issues an apology for his statements:

Moralez's mother, Auliea Hanlon, was angered by the sentence and stormed out the courtroom, shouting "You people suck!" She testified at the hearing that the rapes of her daughter were a major reason for her suicide, and she asked the judge to order Rambold to prison.

Hanlon issued a statement Tuesday saying she "looked on in disbelief" at the hearing.

"I guess somehow it makes a rape more acceptable if you blame the victim, even if she was only 14," Hanlon said in the statement.

The judge's statements were picked up by numerous national and international news organizations and sparked outrage among many people, including the Montana chapter of the National Organization for Women.

A petition seeking Baugh's resignation is being circulated, and a protest has been planned for Thursday.

Baugh said Wednesday morning he regrets the statements he made during the court hearing. He also submitted a letter to the editor for publication in The Gazette, stating he is "not sure just what I was attempting to say, but it did not come out correct."

"What I said is demeaning of all women, not what I believe and irrelevant to the sentencing," Baugh said in the letter. "My apologies to all my fellow citizens."

Baugh said he plans to write an addendum to the court file this week explaining his reasons for the sentence he imposed more thoroughly.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
http://www.courts.state.nh.us/rules/evid/evid-804.htm

ARTICLE VIII. HEARSAY

Rule 804. Hearsay Exceptions; Declarant Unavailable
(a) Definition of unavailability. "Unavailability as a witness" includes situations in which the declarant -
(4) is unable to be present or to testify at the hearing because of death or then existing physical or mental illness or infirmity;

Clearly the judge considered the statements of the victim as admissible, considering the article states that he listened to statements she made before her death, and considered them as relevant in the sentencing.
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I think if her statements were made in affidavit form, they're as if they were actual testimony; not hearsay. Hearsay would be if the mother said, "she told me she wanted to kill herself because ...."

That's her mother putting words in her mouth that may or may not have really been said.
 
Denny Crane said:
Well, yeah.

If you google "teacher sex" you'll get many thousands of hits. Teachers busted all the time having sex with students.

The thing that makes this case stand out, IMO, is the suicide.

Also, I've generally believed all my life that whatever I (a guy) can feel, a woman feels, too. I think that's been correct, as I've not seen it wrong in all my years. So I figure:

1) if a young boy wants to have sex with a teacher, so do young girls
2) if a young boy wants to have sex with a teacher, so do young gay boys

etc.

So you're going to see older man/child relationships of all kinds.
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That's one of those simple things that I believe, and I don't see why it's so hard for other people to understand. People always want to assign a group a problem, and the people that do this the most are the ones who think they are in a group that is constantly attacked, even when it's not.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
Crandc's concerns was right on the money, and judge issues an apology for his statements:

Moralez's mother, Auliea Hanlon, was angered by the sentence and stormed out the courtroom, shouting "You people suck!" She testified at the hearing that the rapes of her daughter were a major reason for her suicide, and she asked the judge to order Rambold to prison.

Hanlon issued a statement Tuesday saying she "looked on in disbelief" at the hearing.

"I guess somehow it makes a rape more acceptable if you blame the victim, even if she was only 14," Hanlon said in the statement.

The judge's statements were picked up by numerous national and international news organizations and sparked outrage among many people, including the Montana chapter of the National Organization for Women.

A petition seeking Baugh's resignation is being circulated, and a protest has been planned for Thursday.

Baugh said Wednesday morning he regrets the statements he made during the court hearing. He also submitted a letter to the editor for publication in The Gazette, stating he is "not sure just what I was attempting to say, but it did not come out correct."

"What I said is demeaning of all women, not what I believe and irrelevant to the sentencing," Baugh said in the letter. "My apologies to all my fellow citizens."

Baugh said he plans to write an addendum to the court file this week explaining his reasons for the sentence he imposed more thoroughly.
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Is he talking about everything he said, or something in particular?
 
With regard to sentencing, a judge can consider many different factors when making a decision and hearsay is allowed during a sentencing hearing
 
What I really want to know is if the defendant is black. with a name like Stacey Rambold, and the sentence imposed, I'm guessing no. :)
 
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BLAZER PROPHET said:
This I want to see.
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It's going to say what ToB's article says.

"Baugh told a reporter he believes the 30-day jail sentence was appropriate given the nature of the case. He likened the hearing Monday to a probation violation in which a defendant is re-sentenced for violating terms of a suspended sentence."
 
Denny Crane said:
It's going to say what ToB's article says.

"Baugh told a reporter he believes the 30-day jail sentence was appropriate given the nature of the case. He likened the hearing Monday to a probation violation in which a defendant is re-sentenced for violating terms of a suspended sentence."
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I hope not.

To begin with, coercing a 14 year old into sex is a flat out crime requiring jail time, IMHO. Then he violates probation and gets 30 days???

It is rare to see such a miscarriage of justice.
 
Denny Crane said:
Sure.

Let the rapist keep his job though!
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Says the guy who blames the child victim while defending the pedophile.

Only someone who shares the same sadistic leanings would try to justify such a heinous crime. Get help before you hurt someone.
 
I went to high school with Todd Baugh's son. Also, as a point of interest, Todd Baugh is Slingin' Sammy Baugh's son.
 
Denny Crane said:
The news often has similar stories. Usually it's a young boy and an older woman teacher.

The teachers never get fired. Or almost never.
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Only in your dreams.

Women pedophiles get lengthy prison sentences without exception. Many get the max and as a group their average prison sentence is nearly double that of men pedophiles. And that is ignoring tens of thousands of uncharged priests.
 
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MARIS61 said:
Only in your dreams.

Women pedopheliacs get lengthy prison sentences without exception. Many get the max and as a group their average prison sentence is nearly double that of men pedopheliacs. And that is ignoring tens of thousands of uncharged priests.
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Talk about dreaming.

For every priest there's at least 2 public school teachers.

The guy in this case would have gone to prison for 20 years, except the state's witness killed herself.
 
Denny Crane said:
Talk about dreaming.

For every priest there's at least 2 public school teachers.

The guy in this case would have gone to prison for 20 years, except the state's witness killed herself.
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well, there are slightly more teachers in the US than there are priests. So that comparison is slightly skewed.
 
I see an unplanned retirement in Todd's near future.
 
Denny Crane said:
Talk about dreaming.

For every priest there's at least 2 public school teachers.

The guy in this case would have gone to prison for 20 years, except the state's witness killed herself.
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Well since the main witness is no longer available then a lite sentence could be in order.

Hang him by his scrotum, hand him a knife and use him as a dart board until he uses the knife, where by he falls into a pit where he is to remain until resurrection day.
 
julius said:
well, there are slightly more teachers in the US than there are priests. So that comparison is slightly skewed.
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All those teachers have access to children. More skewed. And the news is slanted, too.
 
I think it's silly that people go to prison for having sex with teenagers without proving there was some cohersion in volved. Despite the fact that our society labels them as minors, and despite their psychological short-comings, they are biologically ready to mate. The teenage years are when humans get horny and sexually active, it's just a biological fact. Since it's not inconceivable that they would willingly have sex with someone over 18, those cases shouldn't be considered "rape" by default.

Whether or not something is worthy of being frowned upon, or jail time, are two different things.
 
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Sinobas said:
I think it's silly that people go to prison for having sex with teenagers without proving there was some cohersion in volved. Despite the fact that our society labels them as minors, and despite their psychological short-comings, they are biologically ready to mate. The teenage years are when humans get horny and sexually active, it's just a biological fact. Since it's not inconceivable that they would willingly have sex with someone over 18, those cases shouldn't be considered "rape" by default.

Whether or not something is worthy of being frowned upon, or jail time, are two different things.
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So, if I read you right, once a child hits puberty, it's fair game?

Fucking sick, if so...
 
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