Man gets 30 days for rape of 14 year-old

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PapaG said:
So, if I read you right, once a child hits puberty, it's fair game?

Fucking sick, if so...
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No, that's one extreme, the other extreme is to say if you have sex with someone who is 17 years 364 days old, it's rape, but the next day, it's consensual sex. You can't say that is rational.

Many people seem to have lost the ability to think rationally on this topic.

If a "blue lagoon" scenario happened, do you really think the two teens would wait around till their 18th birthday's to have sex? There is no magical metamorphisis that takes place on that date.
 
Sinobas said:
If a "blue lagoon" scenario happened, do you really think the two teens would wait around till their 18th birthday's to have sex? There is no magical metamorphisis that takes place on that date.
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Well, they were similar in age (albeit, cousins) and not in a position of teacher and student.

Now granted, the ACTOR who played the male character was like 18 or 19 (depending on the filming), but that's not a true "Blue Lagoon" scenario.
 
I just don't think there is a crime unless someone was truly victimized. Now honestly answer, how many of you guys in here would not have banged a 30 year old women when you were 16? Yet female teachers go to prison for having sex with their students. It's a weird relationship, but the teenage boy is not necessarily being victimized, he probably loves it. So fire the teacher, sure, but I think it's ridiculous to send her off to prison for it.
 
Sinobas said:
No, that's one extreme, the other extreme is to say if you have sex with someone who is 17 years 364 days old, it's rape, but the next day, it's consensual sex. You can't say that is rational.
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Really? You couldn't wait one day?
 
Sinobas said:
No, that's one extreme, the other extreme is to say if you have sex with someone who is 17 years 364 days old, it's rape, but the next day, it's consensual sex. You can't say that is rational.

Many people seem to have lost the ability to think rationally on this topic.

If a "blue lagoon" scenario happened, do you really think the two teens would wait around till their 18th birthday's to have sex? There is no magical metamorphisis that takes place on that date.
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That's not what your were saying, though. I can put up with a lot of things, but perverts aren't one of them. I trust you don't have daughters...
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Really? You couldn't wait one day?
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As I read it, he will wait until ond day after puberty. The other "extreme" he mentions is a legal issue, IMO, and not a moral issue. Adults hitting on 13 year-old girls is certifiably disgusting.

49 year-old teachers screwing their 14 year-old students is wrong on every level, IMO, and defending it tells me all I need to know about people.
 
It is not uncommon in the hispanic culture for a 16 yr old girl to have a 22 yr old boyfriend (give or take). Both families consent to the relationship, they are in a serious committed relationship and engaged to get married . . . and they engage in sexual activity. The 22 yr old is a normal upstanding person in Mexico, he crosses the border (say legally to avoid derailment here) and he is a rapist in this country.

Is being a pedophile/rapist something that people are born with or is it defined by laws of the country?
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
It is not uncommon in the hispanic culture for a 16 yr old girl to have a 22 yr old boyfriend (give or take). Both families consent to the relationship, they are in a serious committed relationship and engaged to get married . . . and they engage in sexual activity. The 22 yr old is a normal upstanding person in Mexico, he crosses the border (say legally to avoid derailment here) and he is a rapist in this country.

Is being a pedophile/rapist something that people are born with or is it defined by laws of the country?
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Hundreds of years ago it was normal. If everyone waited until they were 18 to fuck the human race would have been extinct.

hoop fam
 
Denny Crane said:
Talk about dreaming.

For every priest there's at least 2 public school teachers.

The guy in this case would have gone to prison for 20 years, except the state's witness killed herself.
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Lot more female teachers in America than Priests.
 
You're all pedophiles, except PapaG (it's not a knock - I know he has two young children and seems upstanding enough on that level to know he's not).

With two young kids, everyone is a pedophiles, in my book, until proven otherwise. That's how I roll in this fucked up world.
 
PapaG said:
As I read it, he will wait until ond day after puberty. The other "extreme" he mentions is a legal issue, IMO, and not a moral issue. Adults hitting on 13 year-old girls is certifiably disgusting.

49 year-old teachers screwing their 14 year-old students is wrong on every level, IMO, and defending it tells me all I need to know about people.
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You're totally wrong. We're talking about a line that is drawn at 18, several years after puberty.

There is no "day after puberty". Girls don't magically turn into sexual adults over-night.
 
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Most people would say an adult and a 5 year old is criminally wrong. Few people would say the same for an 18 year old and her 17 year old boyfriend.

Oregon's measure 11 has sent hundreds of young men and women to prison for mandatory lengthy sentences and destroyed their lives forever with the "dangerous sex-offender" registration cottage industry simply because they are 4 years older than their future spouse. Each sentence costs Oregon taxpayers over $1 million, not counting the cost of lifetime tracking and eventual re-incarceration due to being unable to find work as a publicly labelled pervert.

Meanwhile, a middle-aged teacher does no time at all for an admitted rape of his 14 year-old student, and then only does 1 month after violating his plea agreement.
 
Sinobas said:
I think it's silly that people go to prison for having sex with teenagers without proving there was some cohersion in volved. Despite the fact that our society labels them as minors, and despite their psychological short-comings, they are biologically ready to mate. The teenage years are when humans get horny and sexually active, it's just a biological fact. Since it's not inconceivable that they would willingly have sex with someone over 18, those cases shouldn't be considered "rape" by default.

Whether or not something is worthy of being frowned upon, or jail time, are two different things.
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You are one sick bastard.
 
If some government took over and made the age of consent 25, a lot of brain dead people would be calling others "sick" and "pedophiles" for questioning whether or not it was ok to have sex with a 24 year old. So few people really think for themselves, they just go along with whatever they think is the society norm.

Members of our species have always, and continue to be very sexually active before the age of 18, so making that carte blanche illegal is ridiculous.
 
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...0-day-sentence-to-teacher-in-rape-of-student/

Baugh told the newspaper Tuesday that he stood by his comments that the victim was a troubled youth who was older than her age when it came to sexual matters. That didn't make Rambold's sex with the teen any less of a crime, he said.

"Obviously, a 14-year-old can't consent. I think that people have in mind that this was some violent, forcible, horrible rape," Baugh told the paper. "It was horrible enough as it is just given her age, but it wasn't this forcible beat-up rape."

The victim's death complicated the case, Baugh said. The prosecution and defense reached an agreement after her death that Rambold would enter sexual-offender treatment.

If the former teacher completed treatment and complied with other conditions, the case would have been closed.

Rambold was terminated from the program in November when it was learned that he had been having unsupervised visits with minors, who were family members, and did not inform counselors that he had been having sexual relations with a woman.

"I think what people are seeing is a sentence for rape of 30 days. Obviously on the face of it, if you look at it that way, it's crazy," Baugh said. "No wonder people are upset. I'd be upset, too, if that happened."
 
Hopefully the sentence gets reviewed and there is an opportunity to have another trial
 
Seems to me if you are sentenced to 3 years of any program, and get kicked out, the result should be at least as long as the program, so 3 years in Jail would be a slap on the wrist in my mind, 30 days is basically an offer to grease up his cock with My Little Pony Lube. Shameful and he should be disbarred.



Sinobas
Hopefully you brought up your stance because you just thought it was an interesting thing to argue over. If you however are attracted to kids, you are sick, go see a psychiatrist before you act on these perversions.
 
The judge is saying
"Mr. Rambold, I see you used your position of authority to coerce a troubled youth into having a sexual relationship with you, despite having been warned of such actions by your employer. I also see you've flouted the conditions of the plea bargain and felt the meetings of the mandated treatment weren't important enough to attend. Well, the rape wasn't THAT bad so I'll just give you 30 days."
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bluefrog said:
The judge is saying
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The mandated treatment was 3 years, he served over 2.5 of those before getting kicked out for what looks like fairly minor violations. He joined another program and is still serving.

FWIW
 
Denny Crane said:
The mandated treatment was 3 years, he served over 2.5 of those before getting kicked out for what looks like fairly minor violations. He joined another program and is still serving.

FWIW
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Skipping meetings and taking chances with the conditions of the plea agreement demonstrates a lack of remorse. He got off light to start with and didn't take the treatment seriously. It raises questions about his commitment to rehabilitate.
 
bluefrog said:
Skipping meetings and taking chances with the conditions of the plea agreement demonstrates a lack of remorse. He got off light to start with and didn't take the treatment seriously. It raises questions about his commitment to rehabilitate.
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Tell it to the judge. Oh yeah, that was done.
 
bluefrog said:
Do you think leniency is warranted in this case?
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I think the original judge and prosecutors made a bad deal with the guy. Blame them.

At this point, the judge made a reasonable decision.

I read somewhere that he's really thrown the book at rapists in other situations where he was the guy presiding over the case.
 
Certainly not conclusive, but here's some input more valid than any of our opinions:

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20130829/US--Teacher.Rape.Case/

A legal review of Monday's sentencing suggests Rambold may have gotten off too easily.

That review determined that if Baugh had applied the proper section of state law, the defendant would have received a minimum of two years in prison, according to a memo sent by Yellowstone County Attorney Scott Twito to the appellate division of the state Attorney General's Office.
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Also, I think it's important to note that according to this same article, the sentence is apparently not ironclad.

The state has 20 days to appeal the sentence. Twito said he's working with the appellate division to decide whether to take that step.
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bluefrog said:
Do you think leniency is warranted in this case?
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Hell no.

The man "groomed" and then raped a 14-year old who later committed suicide in part to his treatment of her. That's called murder.

Sexual grooming, rape, murder of a 14 year old and he gets nothing for it?

I think the judge's mental condition needs to be called into question, removed and a new trial with a real judge.
 
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