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I don't think that is true. I think many times Muslims terrorists are criticized for their crazy, delusional adherence to an outdated belief system or the Jihadist perspective. Many jokes are made about virgins and the subject of suicide bombers. The joke being how silly and crazy the idea that 72 virgins will be waiting. I really don't think people consider Muslim terrorists to be sane, just as I don't think many people consider the Westboro Baptists to be sane. What you are seeing right now is anybody and everybody tying this man's actions to Donald Trump. How is tying a Muslim terrorist to Islam any different? Or how is explaining black violence based on critical theory any different? The notion isn't that a black person is crazy, it's that society makes him do it. Here it's the same thing, only everyone is blaming the alt-right for its influence.
 
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Paine Tablet said:
I don't think that is true. I think many times Muslims terrorists are criticized for their crazy, delusional adherence to an outdated belief system or the Jihadist perspective. Many jokes are made about virgins and the subject of suicide bombers. The joke being how silly and crazy the idea that 72 virgins will be waiting. I really don't think people consider Muslim terrorists to be sane, just as I don't think many people consider the Westboro Baptists to be sane. What you are seeing right now is anybody and everybody tying this man's actions to Donald Trump. How is tying a Muslim terrorist to Islam any different? Or how is explaining black violence based on critical theory any different? The notion isn't that a black person is crazy, it's that society makes him do it. Here it's the same thing, only everyone is blaming the alt-right for its influence.
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Paine Tablet said:
I actually think cuck is a useful word. I think of it in the Dostoevsky sense, coming from his short story, The Eternal Husband. The idea that a man is being cheated on and debased but is powerless or unwilling to put a stop to it. I read that story not long before cuck started being used as an epithet so that's how I've always interpreted it. I'm reminded of the men who support these Title IX kangaroo courts that will lay blame squarely on the man when both a man and a woman partake in drinking and in sex. I noticed many cucks who came out of the woodwork to support the decision to kick three UO players out of school and off the team, despite all evidence pointing to their innocence. What should've been protested was instead lauded by self-hating men. I think a cuck is perfectly apt to describe a self-hating man in relation to his views on gender politics. Also, I voted for Bernie and I fully support the term cuck.
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I don't think Bernie would support the term "cuck". You claiming you voted for Bernie while defending Red Pill-style bullshit suggests you voted for Bernie just because you REALLY hated Hillary, and not because of some commitment to end inequality.

I question your use of "self-hating". It seems to me that the users of the term cuck are much more likely to be self-hating than the people they call "cuck". Your use of the term "debased" is a little strange. What do you mean by it? Also, "Title IX kangaroo courts"? Where are these things? Are they located in the same building as the Death Panels?
 
MarAzul said:
Geez! This dude has apparently been ridding the max regularly, no doubt popping off on schedule too.
Over the years, I have seen just enough of this crap make the news, that I would not ride that system without being armed. Perhaps the Max should pickup the slack.
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Yes, the problem here is the train.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Yes, the problem here is the train.

barfo
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No, the problem is that Portland in particular is full of crazy people.

One of which should have been detained when he was carrying a bat around trying to start a riot.

Since the cops didn't do their job per the instructions of their moronic chief some random citizen confronted a nutjob in a confined space and could have gotten even more people killed.

If this nutjob was already brandishing a knife nobody in their right mind would have confronted him.

If someone in public is acting like an irrational fool let's just assume he is armed ok people.

I'm assuming the city employee who died was just trying to stop what he was seeing but since we still don't actually know what happened who knows?
 
Chris Craig said:
I came pretty hard
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Wow..:confused::confused2::blink::blush::dupnoevil:

Okay... So I am skimming the threads as I already had heard about this in detail and didn't realize the conversation had obviously taken a slight twist when I came upon this post.

Umm Bro. Keep that between you and the missuz and in the privacy of your own home. We know little guys pack a big punch, you dont need to spread that around here!. So you have one newbie, are you expecting another now or what?

:ghoti::smiley-smiley-049::ghoti:
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
but since we still don't actually know what happened who knows?
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What facts do you think we are missing? There doesn't seem to be any disagreement about what happened from anything I've read.

barfo
 
MAX hero's last words: 'Tell everyone on this train I love them'

BY MAXINE BERNSTEIN

mbernstein@oregonian.com

The Oregonian/OregonLive

Even with headphones on, Rachel Macy said, she heard a man shouting and spewing foul language as soon as he boarded the eastbound MAX Green Line train Friday night at Lloyd Center.

"He was just being really belligerent and loud,'' she said.

The man, since identified as Jeremy Joseph Christian, entered through doors on one side of the train, and stepped across the aisle to a pole by the doors on the opposite side of the train.

"He was screaming that he was a taxpayer, that colored people were ruining the city, and he had First Amendment rights,'' Macy said.

Then he made anti-Muslim slurs.

"I didn't want to look. I was too afraid. It felt really tense,'' said the 45-year-old Southeast Portland resident of Native American descent. "I'm a woman of color. I didn't want him to notice me.''

The seats on the train were all taken, and other passengers were standing but it hadn't reached the rush-hour crush yet as the train headed toward the Hollywood station around 4:30 p.m., she said.

Macy noticed a young man quickly brush past her seat, while talking on the phone. He looked nervous and was moving away from Christian. Something didn't feel right, she said. She'd later learn that was Taliesin Myrddin Namkai-Meche, 23.


Rick Best, 53, stood closest to Christian. He was trying to calm Christian down, by letting him know he had heard him.

"He was repeating back what this guy was saying. Like, 'I know you're a taxpayer. But this is not OK, that he was scaring people,' '' recalled Macy, whose account provides the most detailed chronology of the chaos that ensued.

Christian didn't seem to respond; just kept shouting. "He was not hearing anybody, just talking louder,'' she said.

At one point, the train operator got on the loudspeaker, saying something like whoever is creating the disturbance needed to exit the train immediately, Macy said. The operator also threatened to call police.

Christian screamed out that he was getting off the train at the next stop, and that "if anyone (expletive) followed, they were going to die,'' Macy recalled.

Namkai-Meche turned back toward Christian and briskly walked over to him, and loudly implored him, "You need to get off this train. Please, get off this train.''

Passengers Best, Namkai-Mache and a third man, Micah David-Cole Fletcher, 21, were trying to deescalate the tense situation, intervene and get Christian off the train, she said. Macy said she didn't know where the two teenage girls who were the
target of his racist rants were seated. She said it appeared as if the men who were stabbed "were trying to be a barrier'' between Christian and the girls.


Someone attempted to move Christian away from the girls he was verbally harassing with a slight push or shove. "Touch me again, or I'm going to kill you,'' Macy heard Christian respond.

Namkai-Meche was holding up his phone, Macy said. She wasn't sure if Namkai-Meche was trying to show Christian something on the phone or was recording the interaction.

Suddenly, Christian hit the phone away and stabbed Namkai-Meche in the neck, she said.

"It was just a swift, hard hit,'' she said. "It was a nightmare.''

Macy said she didn't know which man was slashed with the knife first but believes the train may have been just pulling into the Hollywood station or had just stopped when the stabbings occurred.

The attacker looked at the other passengers, cursed at them and then fled.

"One minute people were on the train, and the next minute, next to nobody,'' she recalled.

Best didn't take more than a few steps and fell to the floor, she said. At least two men came to his aid. "Stay with us. You are strong. Stay with us,'' she recalled them saying.

Michael Kennedy was one of those men. He came up to the front car from the second car of the train, as other passengers raced away from the commotion. In written messages to The Oregonian/OregonLive, he said he and two other men started CPR chest compressions on Best until emergency medics arrived.


"It never occurred to me to do otherwise,'' wrote Kennedy. He said his training as a paramedic from more than a decade ago kicked in.

Namkai-Meche stumbled along the aisle away from Christian past Macy. She turned to face him. His flannel shirt was covered with blood; his face pale.

Holding his neck, he said, "I'm going to die,'' according to Macy.

"I looked at him and said, 'we can handle this. Lay down.' ''

He lay on the floor of the train. Macy crouched beside him, pulled off her black tank top and gave it to Namkai-Meche. He pressed the shirt to his neck wound. She placed her hand over his.

She noticed a deep, long gash along Namkai-Meche's neck.

Another man who she described as a veteran also tried to comfort Namkai-Meche and keep him from panicking. He told Namkai-Mache that his heart was beating, and he was OK, pointing out the sound of sirens and help on its way.

"I just kept telling him, 'You're not alone. We're here,'' Macy said. "What you did was total kindness. You're such a beautiful man. I'm sorry the world is so cruel.''

And she prayed.

"When I said 'pray with me,' he just closed his eyes and tried to keep breathing,'' she recalled.

Fletcher stumbled off the train holding his neck, she said.


Macy remained on the train until police and emergency medics arrived. Medical personnel tried to work on Best but he was pronounced dead at the scene.

Medics put Namkai-Meche on a stretcher. Macy stayed by his side. Before he was carried away, he had a last message, she said: "Tell everyone on this train I love them. ''

Macy, who is studying psychology at the Cascade campus of Portland Community College, left her leather school bag, purse and cell phone behind and then stepped back to where Best was lying. She prayed for him and his family.

"I was saying, 'Creator – provide comfort to his family who don't know you're here,'' she recalled.

An officer called out to her: "You did what you could, it's time to come off the train.''

Once she stepped off, she realized she was only wearing a slip on top. Police interviewed witnesses on the Hollywood station platform. About 20 minutes had passed when she learned from an officer that Namkai-Meche had died at a local hospital.

The next night, Macy met Namkai-Meche's mother and father at a vigil held by the train stop. She handed his father a purple-painted, heart-shaped rock, her prayer rock. She said the victim's parents thanked her for being with their son, telling her that she was "a mamma to our boy in that moment.''


Macy, a single mother of five children who rides the MAX to and from her community college courses at least three times a week, said she just did "what had to be done.''

"I just kept thinking this is someone's child,'' she said.

But Macy said it was Best, Namkai-Meche and Fletcher who she called "angels walking among us'' because they took a risk and stood up to defend others against Christian's racist rants.

"This man was so reckless and filled with hate,'' Macy recalled of Christian. "None of it makes sense. That's what's so sad.''

-- Maxine Bernstein

mbernstein@oregonian.com

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/05/max_heros_last_words_tell_ever.html
 
SlyPokerDog said:
MAX hero's last words: 'Tell everyone on this train I love them'

BY MAXINE BERNSTEIN

mbernstein@oregonian.com

The Oregonian/OregonLive

Even with headphones on, Rachel Macy said, she heard a man shouting and spewing foul language as soon as he boarded the eastbound MAX Green Line train Friday night at Lloyd Center.

"He was just being really belligerent and loud,'' she said.

The man, since identified as Jeremy Joseph Christian, entered through doors on one side of the train, and stepped across the aisle to a pole by the doors on the opposite side of the train.

"He was screaming that he was a taxpayer, that colored people were ruining the city, and he had First Amendment rights,'' Macy said.

Then he made anti-Muslim slurs.

"I didn't want to look. I was too afraid. It felt really tense,'' said the 45-year-old Southeast Portland resident of Native American descent. "I'm a woman of color. I didn't want him to notice me.''

The seats on the train were all taken, and other passengers were standing but it hadn't reached the rush-hour crush yet as the train headed toward the Hollywood station around 4:30 p.m., she said.

Macy noticed a young man quickly brush past her seat, while talking on the phone. He looked nervous and was moving away from Christian. Something didn't feel right, she said. She'd later learn that was Taliesin Myrddin Namkai-Meche, 23.


Rick Best, 53, stood closest to Christian. He was trying to calm Christian down, by letting him know he had heard him.

"He was repeating back what this guy was saying. Like, 'I know you're a taxpayer. But this is not OK, that he was scaring people,' '' recalled Macy, whose account provides the most detailed chronology of the chaos that ensued.

Christian didn't seem to respond; just kept shouting. "He was not hearing anybody, just talking louder,'' she said.

At one point, the train operator got on the loudspeaker, saying something like whoever is creating the disturbance needed to exit the train immediately, Macy said. The operator also threatened to call police.

Christian screamed out that he was getting off the train at the next stop, and that "if anyone (expletive) followed, they were going to die,'' Macy recalled.

Namkai-Meche turned back toward Christian and briskly walked over to him, and loudly implored him, "You need to get off this train. Please, get off this train.''

Passengers Best, Namkai-Mache and a third man, Micah David-Cole Fletcher, 21, were trying to deescalate the tense situation, intervene and get Christian off the train, she said. Macy said she didn't know where the two teenage girls who were the
target of his racist rants were seated. She said it appeared as if the men who were stabbed "were trying to be a barrier'' between Christian and the girls.


Someone attempted to move Christian away from the girls he was verbally harassing with a slight push or shove. "Touch me again, or I'm going to kill you,'' Macy heard Christian respond.

Namkai-Meche was holding up his phone, Macy said. She wasn't sure if Namkai-Meche was trying to show Christian something on the phone or was recording the interaction.

Suddenly, Christian hit the phone away and stabbed Namkai-Meche in the neck, she said.

"It was just a swift, hard hit,'' she said. "It was a nightmare.''

Macy said she didn't know which man was slashed with the knife first but believes the train may have been just pulling into the Hollywood station or had just stopped when the stabbings occurred.

The attacker looked at the other passengers, cursed at them and then fled.

"One minute people were on the train, and the next minute, next to nobody,'' she recalled.

Best didn't take more than a few steps and fell to the floor, she said. At least two men came to his aid. "Stay with us. You are strong. Stay with us,'' she recalled them saying.

Michael Kennedy was one of those men. He came up to the front car from the second car of the train, as other passengers raced away from the commotion. In written messages to The Oregonian/OregonLive, he said he and two other men started CPR chest compressions on Best until emergency medics arrived.


"It never occurred to me to do otherwise,'' wrote Kennedy. He said his training as a paramedic from more than a decade ago kicked in.

Namkai-Meche stumbled along the aisle away from Christian past Macy. She turned to face him. His flannel shirt was covered with blood; his face pale.

Holding his neck, he said, "I'm going to die,'' according to Macy.

"I looked at him and said, 'we can handle this. Lay down.' ''

He lay on the floor of the train. Macy crouched beside him, pulled off her black tank top and gave it to Namkai-Meche. He pressed the shirt to his neck wound. She placed her hand over his.

She noticed a deep, long gash along Namkai-Meche's neck.

Another man who she described as a veteran also tried to comfort Namkai-Meche and keep him from panicking. He told Namkai-Mache that his heart was beating, and he was OK, pointing out the sound of sirens and help on its way.

"I just kept telling him, 'You're not alone. We're here,'' Macy said. "What you did was total kindness. You're such a beautiful man. I'm sorry the world is so cruel.''

And she prayed.

"When I said 'pray with me,' he just closed his eyes and tried to keep breathing,'' she recalled.

Fletcher stumbled off the train holding his neck, she said.


Macy remained on the train until police and emergency medics arrived. Medical personnel tried to work on Best but he was pronounced dead at the scene.

Medics put Namkai-Meche on a stretcher. Macy stayed by his side. Before he was carried away, he had a last message, she said: "Tell everyone on this train I love them. ''

Macy, who is studying psychology at the Cascade campus of Portland Community College, left her leather school bag, purse and cell phone behind and then stepped back to where Best was lying. She prayed for him and his family.

"I was saying, 'Creator – provide comfort to his family who don't know you're here,'' she recalled.

An officer called out to her: "You did what you could, it's time to come off the train.''

Once she stepped off, she realized she was only wearing a slip on top. Police interviewed witnesses on the Hollywood station platform. About 20 minutes had passed when she learned from an officer that Namkai-Meche had died at a local hospital.

The next night, Macy met Namkai-Meche's mother and father at a vigil held by the train stop. She handed his father a purple-painted, heart-shaped rock, her prayer rock. She said the victim's parents thanked her for being with their son, telling her that she was "a mamma to our boy in that moment.''


Macy, a single mother of five children who rides the MAX to and from her community college courses at least three times a week, said she just did "what had to be done.''

"I just kept thinking this is someone's child,'' she said.

But Macy said it was Best, Namkai-Meche and Fletcher who she called "angels walking among us'' because they took a risk and stood up to defend others against Christian's racist rants.

"This man was so reckless and filled with hate,'' Macy recalled of Christian. "None of it makes sense. That's what's so sad.''

-- Maxine Bernstein

mbernstein@oregonian.com

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/05/max_heros_last_words_tell_ever.html
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That is some touching stuff. That made my eyes a little misty.
 
barfo said:
What facts do you think we are missing? There doesn't seem to be any disagreement about what happened from anything I've read.

barfo
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Here you go...was this released before?


Someone attempted to move Christian away from the girls he was verbally harassing with a slight push or shove. "Touch me again, or I'm going to kill you,'' Macy heard Christian respond.
 
This too, dealing with a mental case and "briskly" approach a psycho and scream at him...... I bet there was an expletive or two in here as well.


Namkai-Meche turned back toward Christian and brisklywalked over to him, and loudly implored him, "You need to get off this train. Please, get off this train.''



It also sounds like there is some video of this, will be really helpful in knowing what truly happened. I still don't see where the psychopath did anything but scream at people at first.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
This too, dealing with a mental case and "briskly" approach a psycho and scream at him...... I bet there was an expletive or two in here as well.


Namkai-Meche turned back toward Christian and brisklywalked over to him, and loudly implored him, "You need to get off this train. Please, get off this train.''



It also sounds like there is some video of this, will be really helpful in knowing what truly happened. I still don't see where the psychopath did anything but scream at people at first.
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Locally here word is spreading fast, but it seems there are several reports he was yelling before, and as he got onto the train, at two girls in muslimesque attire.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Locally here word is spreading fast, but it seems there are several reports he was yelling before, and as he got onto the train, at two girls in muslimesque attire.
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He was clearly an unstable mental case. Until I hear or see evidence that he was just going to attack someone without provocation this is pretty much the equivalent of road rage.

Sure, he's the crazy driver that cut you off and almost killed you but if you chase him down and get in a crash and die it is on you.

Being right isn't the issue, the black guy that slapped that crazy or drunk or high woman on the bus recently wasn't wrong to be pissed. The problem is what he did about it. Did you see that one? I posted it here somewhere.
 
This one, can't even blame the guy but he could probably get arrested for it. I haven't read anything about it, she could be mentally challenged for all I know.


 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
This too, dealing with a mental case and "briskly" approach a psycho and scream at him...... I bet there was an expletive or two in here as well.


Namkai-Meche turned back toward Christian and brisklywalked over to him, and loudly implored him, "You need to get off this train. Please, get off this train.''



It also sounds like there is some video of this, will be really helpful in knowing what truly happened. I still don't see where the psychopath did anything but scream at people at first.
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I don't know, this sounds a lot like blaming the victim. I suppose you are right that they wouldn't have gotten stabbed if they'd sat down and said nothing. Similarly, the girls wouldn't have gotten yelled at if they hadn't been on the train. Or, you know, if they'd "gone back to Saudi Arabia".

barfo
 
Orion Bailey said:
Wow..:confused::confused2::blink::blush::dupnoevil:

Okay... So I am skimming the threads as I already had heard about this in detail and didn't realize the conversation had obviously taken a slight twist when I came upon this post.

Umm Bro. Keep that between you and the missuz and in the privacy of your own home. We know little guys pack a big punch, you dont need to spread that around here!. So you have one newbie, are you expecting another now or what?

:ghoti::smiley-smiley-049::ghoti:
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I have tourettes
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Wow, some cuck just tweeted about this.

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A staffer tweeted that. Doesn't sound anything like The Donald. It was tweeted through the official potus account, not Donalds private account, not him.
 
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Chris Craig said:
A staffer tweeted that. Doesn't sound anything like The Donald. It was tweeted through the official potus account, not Donalds private account, not him.
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That's fine, he let it happen at least. Just cause we aren't Trump supporters doesn't mean nothing he ever does is good. I liked Trump's tweet. Respectful, it pointed out the importance of what the victims did. I'll save my vitriol for when he deserves it.
 
The killer was on the max the night before smacking a woman in the face with a coke bottle.
 
MarAzul said:
This is a dumb ass post, repeating ridiculous bullshit.
A classic, never waste an opportunity to promote your agenda (even if completely illogical and disconnected).
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That's a very peculiar reaction. What did the mother say that offended you so much?

barfo
 
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