Man Sentenced For Impregnating 10-Year-Old

[Sasha]

<div class="quote_poster">Mercury Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Why would they keep a baby that's from a rapist? And not to mention, why would the little girl want a baby at this age or anytime soon?</div>
Because it's another human being. It would be a shame to give it out to adoption, as that is horrible for the child in the long run, and at times doesn't work as the kid gets handed off from family to family. I never mentioned that the girl wanted the baby. I meant the parents should raise it. And, with the little girl obviously knowing that she gave birth to it, there wouldn't have to be any unnecessary complications like..."this is your new sister" or the such. She would know the deal from the get go.

 

[Shapecity]

<div class="quote_poster">Sasha Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Because it's another human being. It would be a shame to give it out to adoption, as that is horrible for the child in the long run, and at times doesn't work as the kid gets handed off from family to family. I never mentioned that the girl wanted the baby. I meant the parents should raise it. And, with the little girl obviously knowing that she gave birth to it, there wouldn't have to be any unnecessary complications like..."this is your new sister" or the such. She would know the deal from the get go.</div>

Adoptions don't always turnout bad. It's a helluva a lot to ask this family to raise a child born out of rape of their 9 year old daughter. The child is going to be a constant reminder of the rape incident.

 

[Chutney]

<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">What's the alternative then? Keep him in jail or some psychiatric ward? I'd rather my tax money be spent on people who want to benefit society. According to this site, in 2003 it costs on average $70.00 a day to keep someone in prison. source

I'd rather that $70.00 be given to a college student so they can eat decently and not be forced to buy food off the McDonald's .99 cent menu.</div>
Yea, I'd go with that alternative. I don't agree with giving up on members of society, no matter how low they've sunk. You could apply the same logic to the mentally handicapped, the terminally ill, or the homeless. Neither are productive and are essentially burdens on the state. But we take care of them and spend money on them, regardless. The only difference is that they evoke pity, while this person's crimes makes us angry and vengeful. That's no reason to wish death (or torture as some people have said) on him. He should be provided with psychological care and/or the punishment of jail.

Besides, the death penalty is littered with bias and error. And the whole court process takes such a long time, that I'm sure it costs a hell of a lot of money as well.

 

[Shapecity]

<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yea, I'd go with that alternative. I don't agree with giving up on members of society, no matter how low they've sunk. You could apply the same logic to the mentally handicapped, the terminally ill, or the homeless. Neither are productive and are essentially burdens on the state. But we take care of them and spend money on them, regardless. The only difference is that they evoke pity, while this person's crimes makes us angry and vengeful. That's no reason to wish death (or torture as some people have said) on him. He should be provided with psychological care and/or the punishment of jail.

Besides, the death penalty is littered with bias and error. And the whole court process takes such a long time, that I'm sure it costs a hell of a lot of money as well.</div>

I would not classify a rapist in the same category of the mentally handicapped, terminally ill, or homeless. They might all be considered a burden to the state, but a rapist is harming other members of our society and are criminals.

The court process is something that can be rectified to reduce any financial burden to the taxpayers.

Why should he provided by psychological care ahead of someone who's actually more deserving of it?

This is the argument I can never understand for people who are against the death penalty and want to provide care. Every dollar spent on a raping child molester is one less dollar we can spend on people who are making a positive impact on society.

 

[Skiptomylue11]

Shape, what would your punishments be for such actions:
theft, assault, rape, vandalism, cheating on a spouse, drug dealing, sexual abuse, blackmail, child abuse, and murder.

I think there are about 2.2 million Americans in jail.

 

[umair]

That as nasty and sick as hell. That guy deserves the cruelest punishment in my opinion. He needs to learn not to do this type of 'ish again. I dont think they should kill him for this, or maybe, but they should beat his azz up.

 

[Voodoo Child]

<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I would not classify a rapist in the same category of the mentally handicapped, terminally ill, or homeless. They might all be considered a burden to the state, but a rapist is harming other members of our society and are criminals.

The court process is something that can be rectified to reduce any financial burden to the taxpayers.

Why should he provided by psychological care ahead of someone who's actually more deserving of it?

This is the argument I can never understand for people who are against the death penalty and want to provide care. Every dollar spent on a raping child molester is one less dollar we can spend on people who are making a positive impact on society.</div>

A pedophile is mentally handicapped. Most pedophiles know what they're doing is wrong, and they have the mental capacity to avoid situations where they'd be tempted to act on those urges, but the urges are uncontrollable, meaning they will act on them in a provocative situation no matter how mentally strong they are. That's simply a fact, according to most of the leading psychiatrists.

Although I'm not an advocate of the death penalty, even if I were, I doubt that I'd support it in this particular case. This is a man that simply needs to be detained from society. In prison, he's not a harm to any minors. If he's given a life sentence, or twenty-five years with therapy, he can still have somewhat of a quality life that a dignified human being like himself deserves.

Just because people can't relate to pedophilia, they're quick to judge those who suffer from it. Most people have done drugs, partied, or made irresponsible decisions in the heat of the moment. Therefore, when a guy like my good friend of more than twenty years, Dan Cumming, recently got coked up and killed the arresting officer, most of the community forgave him and pleaded for a reduced sentence. That's a far more violent and reprehensible crime as far as I'm concerned. In this situation, the little girl's life is never going to be the same, but she still has it. That officer will never have his life back, nor will his children have their father back or his wife have her husband back. The only difference between the two crimes is that the majority of the public doesn't understand the urges that pedophiles experience, but they understand drugs, violence, etc.

If you're that concerned about tax dollars going towards prisoners, then start petitioning to end the war on drugs. There are far more drug dealers in prison than violent offenders. Most drugs only harm the person using the drug, whereas violent criminals harm those around them. The problem with overcrowded prisons stems from the fact that you can be sentenced for smoking marijuana, an organic plant that is less physically and mentally harmful to you.

 

[Shapecity]

<div class="quote_poster">Skiptomylue11 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Shape, what would your punishments be for such actions:
theft, assault, rape, vandalism, cheating on a spouse, drug dealing, sexual abuse, blackmail, child abuse, and murder.

I think there are about 2.2 million Americans in jail.</div>

It really depends on the level of each crime. Raping a 9 year old tops the list of people who need to be severely punished, death penalty or torture.

 

[Shapecity]

<div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">That's wrong though. A pedophile is mentally handicapped. Most pedophiles know what they're doing is wrong, and they have the mental capacity to avoid situations where they'd be tempted to act on those urges, but the urges are uncontrollable, meaning they will act on them in a provocative situation no matter how mentally strong they are. That's simply a fact, according to most of the leading psychiatrists.

Although I'm not an advocate of the death penalty, even if I were, I doubt that I'd support it in this particular case. This is a man that simply needs to be detained from society. In prison, he's not a harm to any minors. If he's given a life sentence, or twenty-five years with therapy, he can still have somewhat of a quality life that a dignified human being like himself deserves.

Just because people can't relate to pedophilia, they're quick to judge those who suffer from it. Most people have done drugs, partied, or made irresponsible decisions in the heat of the moment. Therefore, when a guy like my good friend of more than twenty years, Dan Cumming, recently got coked up and killed the arresting officer, most of the community forgave him and pleaded for a reduced sentence. That's a far more violent and reprehensible crime as far as I'm concerned. In this situation, the little girl's life is never going to be the same, but she still has it. That officer will never have his life back, nor will his children have their father back or his wife have her husband back. The only difference between the two crimes is that the majority of the public doesn't understand the urges that pedophiles experience, but they understand drugs, violence, etc.

If you're that concerned about tax dollars going towards prisoners, then start petitioning to end the war on drugs. There are far more drug dealers in prison than violent offenders. Most drugs only harm the person using the drug, whereas violent criminals harm those around them. The problem is that you can be sentenced to prison for smoking marijuana, an organic plant that is less physically and mentally harmful to you.</div>

I'm very much opposed to the war on drugs, it's all a political farce for pharmaceutical conglomerates to push their own drugs on people and profit 1000% times over. In my opinion, mary jane isn't any different than drinking a glass of whiskey.

I just don't view raping a 9 year old girl as an irresponsible decision. In your friend's case, he didn't get coked up with the idea was going to go out and murder an officer. It's horrible what happened, but it wasn't something premiditated.

The pedophile went out and made the decision to rape this 9 year old. It wasn't by accident, it was a preconceived act on his part. He deserves to be held accountable for his actions and punished to the full extent.

 

[playmaker15]

I know a lot of poeple on this site are opposed to the war on drugs as well. Would you guys like only marijuana to be legalized or other things as well?

 

[phunDamentalz]

In the 1980s a lot of politicians wanted to get tough on crime, and with the crack epidemic and what not, a lot of crims got trumped up sentences. As a result, the prison population exploded. And that is why it would cost $70 a day to detain this guy. If it wasn't for a bunch of greedy politicians, it might only cost $20 a day.

 

[Voodoo Child]

<div class="quote_poster">Playmaker15 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I know a lot of poeple on this site are opposed to the war on drugs as well. Would you guys like only marijuana to be legalized or other things as well?</div>

I'm for the legalization of all drugs, although the strongest argument can be made for marijuana. Most of America's knowledge of drugs comes from government propaganda and not any actual factual basis. Sure, most drugs have a negative effect on your health, but so does junk food, coffee, and millions of other things we come across every day. The health effects of marijuana are also grossly exaggerated to the point where it's never even been proven to cause lung cancer. Rather, it's been shown to be an effective preventative of Alzheimer's disease. It's not even addictive physically, just psychologically.

There are "harder" drugs out there, like heroin, cocaine, crystal meth, and so on, which can severely harm your body and pull you into a painful addiction, but drugs like marijuana, LSD, mescaline, psilocybin, etc. aren't that physically taxing.

I actually think that if you legalized the "softer" drugs, then less people would abuse the "harder" ones. The only reason that a lot of "hard" drug users found themselves in those situations is because they started off by smoking marijuana, doing acid, or something along those lines, and were therefore looped into the infrastructure of the black market drug trade. If you legalize all drugs, then you not only get safer, cleaner drugs, but prices go down, and kids aren't as exposed to heroin, cocaine, etc. as if they were to buy their weed from a dealer who also dealt crack.

That's not even mentioning the money that the government would save, the growth the lower class of society would probably experience, and the burden that would be shifted off of our overcrowded prisons.

Ultimately though, it's an unrealistic goal, because as shape said, the pharmaceutical conglomerates, who are strong political lobbyists, wouldn't stand to make a profit.

 

[Shapecity]

<div class="quote_poster">phunDamentalz Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">In the 1980s a lot of politicians wanted to get tough on crime, and with the crack epidemic and what not, a lot of crims got trumped up sentences. As a result, the prison population exploded. And that is why it would cost $70 a day to detain this guy. If it wasn't for a bunch of greedy politicians, it might only cost $20 a day.</div>

I really don't follow this example. The average dollar spent on an inmate wouldn't fluctuate that much. It might actually become cheaper the more inmates you have. Economies of scale would dictate it would become less per person to feed and detain in prison. The total cost would increase, but on average it should actually lower.

Note: I added a little more to my post above.

 

[Voodoo Child]

<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'm very much opposed to the war on drugs, it's all a political farce for pharmaceutical conglomerates to push their own drugs on people and profit 1000% times over. In my opinion, mary jane isn't any different than drinking a glass of whiskey.

I just don't view raping a 9 year old girl as an irresponsible decision. In your friend's case, he didn't get coked up with the idea was going to go out and murder an officer. It's horrible what happened, but it wasn't something premiditated.

The pedophile went out and made the decision to rape this 9 year old. It wasn't by accident, it was a preconceived act on his part. He deserves to be held accountable for his actions and punished to the full extent.</div>

I don't think that it was premeditated at all. In the initial "raping," I'm sure that he found himself in a situation where he was spending a lot of time with her, felt the attraction, and was just overwhelmed with emotions and hormones. However, that's just an assumption on my part, of what most likely happened, as the article didn't say how the initial encounter happened.

Also, tne of the more confusing parts of this article is how they keep referring to it as a rape. Granted, at nine years old, a child certainly does not know what they're getting into when they enter a sexual relationship, and therefore the child is being taken advantage of, but wouldn't that be statuatory rape and not just plain rape? The importance of distinguishing that is because if it was a situation where he overpowered her and forced himself on her, then it makes the crime a lot more malicious, whereas if the nine year old gave her consent, in his head, he may have thought that he was in a loving relationship with this girl.

I understand that it wasn't an accident, and as I said before, he should probably be kept behind bars for life, but why deprive him of his human dignity because of his psychological disorder? He was born that way, and while he should have exhibited more self control, he's probably a very moral, intelligent, and rational man who would be no harm to society behind bars.

 

[huevonkiller]

<div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I don't think that it was premeditated at all. In the initial "raping," I'm sure that he found himself in a situation where he was spending a lot of time with her, felt the attraction, and was just overwhelmed with emotions and hormones. However, that's just an assumption on my part, of what most likely happened, as the article didn't say how the initial encounter happened.

Also, tne of the more confusing parts of this article is how they keep referring to it as a rape. Granted, at nine years old, a child certainly does not know what they're getting into when they enter a sexual relationship, and therefore the child is being taken advantage of, but wouldn't that be statuatory rape and not just plain rape? The importance of distinguishing that is because if it was a situation where he overpowered her and forced himself on her, then it makes the crime a lot more malicious, whereas if the nine year old gave her consent, in his head, he may have thought that he was in a loving relationship with this girl.

I understand that it wasn't an accident, and as I said before, he should probably be kept behind bars for life, but why deprive him of his human dignity because of his psychological disorder? He was born that way, and while he should have exhibited more self control, he's probably a very moral, intelligent, and rational man who would be no harm to society behind bars.</div>

I don't think you can just say he was born like that. More than likely it's a predisposition (in which case you can't use mental illness as a pretext to fully exonerate him); or he could just be an evil bastard.

 

[Voodoo Child]

<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I don't think you can just say he was born like that. More than likely it's a predisposition (in which case you can't use mental illness as a pretext to full exonerate him); or he could just be an evil bastard.</div>

It's an orientation, according to Dr. Fred S. Berlin. Just like you can be born heterosexual or homosexual, you can be born a pedophile. However, it's been shown that it can be learned through abuse. Either way, the point is that the guy has a problem that he doesn't have that much control over.

 

[Marbire]

<div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I understand that it wasn't an accident, and as I said before, he should probably be kept behind bars for life, but why deprive him of his human dignity because of his psychological disorder? He was born that way, and while he should have exhibited more self control, he's probably a very moral, intelligent, and rational man who would be no harm to society behind bars.

It's an orientation, according to Dr. Fred S. Berlin. Just like you can be born heterosexual or homosexual, you can be born a pedophile. However, it's been shown that it can be learned through abuse. Either way, the point is that the guy has a problem that he doesn't have that much control over.</div>

I understand what you are saying and it's something that I thought about as well. I thought that pedophiles can be born with that attraction just like heterosexuals and homosexuals. But what about murderers, serial killers, necrophiliacs, rapists, etc etc? Aren't some of them born like that? Born just sick in the head? So you are against all death penalties? Noone should be deprived of their human dignity?

 

[Voodoo Child]

<div class="quote_poster">Marbire Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I understand what you are saying and it's something that I thought about as well. I thought that pedophiles can be born with that attraction just like heterosexuals and homosexuals. But what about murderers, serial killers, necrophiliacs, rapists, etc etc? Aren't some of them born like that? Born just sick in the head? So you are against all death penalties? Noone should be deprived of their human dignity?</div>

Yeah, I'm against all death penalty. If someone commits a violent crime or if they're a danger to society, then simply detain them. There's no need to eliminate them if you have faith in prison security.

 

[huevonkiller]

<div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, I'm against all death penalty. If someone commits a violent crime or if they're a danger to society, then simply detain them. There's no need to eliminate them if you have faith in prison security.</div>

The reason to eliminate a criminal, IMO, is because there comes a point where some deviants don't deserve to live (eg serial killers).

<div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It's an orientation, according to Dr. Fred S. Berlin. Just like you can be born heterosexual or homosexual, you can be born a pedophile. However, it's been shown that it can be learned through abuse. Either way, the point is that the guy has a problem that he doesn't have that much control over. </div>

People are born with predispositions towards Homosexuality; it's not genetic.

 

[igotask8board]

I wanted to

when I saw this thread.