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OneSport3 said:
That's narrow-minded thinking. Brad Stevens never coached in the NBA. Spo was never a head coach in the NBA.
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Spoelstra was already in the NBA when he got the HC job, he doesn’t count.

Wanting guys with some experience in the league isn’t narrow minded to me. If we were starting fresh I’d be more open to it, but we need to take that next step.
 
tykendo said:
I like Terry, but his use of Nurkic was mindboggling . Nurkic doesn't always get it going early, and to leave him on the bench in multiple games this series ,was dumb. Yesterday he finally pulled his head out, and played Nurk in crunch time, and Nurk was dominant. You have to ride your horses. Watching Ed, with no explosion on either end, was painful in the games he played. Nurk needed to play no less than 30 minutes a game this series.
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Stotts may have been managing fouls. It seemed like Nurkic had 3 fouls at every halftime (I haven't checked). With Ed Davis playing like he was hurt, and the 3rd center being rookie Collins.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Injuries happen... we had them as well. Everybody deals with them. During that streak we beat the Warriors at full strength. Who cares? We weren't supposed to win a title this year. This stability has given us the playoffs on a regular basis. We're now a couple pieces away with a very young team and people are begging to blow it up?

I'm sorry, but how freaking stupid can you be?
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They are about to enter cap hell, there are no pieces coming -- what you see is what you get, minus a late first round pick. Secondly "young" is a relative term. Damian is 28 and will be 29 next season. That's not young for a small guard, he's got maybe two? Three? more years of being able to play at his current level, after that it may be a slow decline, or a rapid decline, but it will definitely be a decline and then they are really fucked. Beyond that we just saw an object lesson about why our two best players really shouldn't be starting together in the backcourt. They're definitely good enough to rack up wins during the regular season when half of the teams you play aren't very good, but come playoff-time, they haven't held up against teams that have all of their energy and focus on game-planning a single opponent, and they got murdered on the defensive end because Holiday was too big to handle, and the only defensive-minded guy who might have been able to handle him (Aminu) was busy trying to bail water against Anthony Davis.

Here's the truth: Anthony Davis is younger and he ain't going anywhere. The Blazers couldn't do shit to the Rockets, they ain't going anywhere for the next couple of years either. The Dubs were beat up all year with injuries and seemed like they were going through the motions, you can't count on that in future seasons. So let's say you can get past any of those other teams and actually get to the finals, what then? Well for the foreseeable future it's guys like Simmons, Embid, Giannis, LeBron, Taytum, etc. standing in your way, almost all of whom are much younger than the Blazers tandem of star guards.

This team is too unsuccessful to justify going into repeater tax hell, yet they are loaded down with some of the most undesirable contracts in the NBA, which makes conducting trades for the things you want or need nearly impossible, without putting guys like CJ or Damian on the block. This team will not get better if all they are offering other team's is Turner, MeyLe, Harkless, et al.

As for firing Terry? Replacing Stotts isn't going to fix the glaring roster issues, but nobody can convince me he was getting the very best out of this team either in playoff situations. Poor use of timeouts, and little to no adjustments in-game or between games. A new voice won't get this team to championship contention, but it probably won't hurt.
 
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Nikolokolus said:
They are about to enter cap hell, there are no pieces coming -- what you see is what you get, minus a late first round pick. Secondly "young" is a relative term. Damian is 28 and will be 29 next season. That's not young for a small guard, he's got maybe two? Three? more years of being able to play at his current level, after that it may be a slow decline, or a rapid decline, but it will definitely be a decline and then they are really fucked. Beyond that we just saw an object lesson about why our two best players really shouldn't be starting together in the backcourt. They're definitely good enough to rack up wins during the regular season when half of the teams you play aren't very good, but come playoff-time, they haven't held up against teams that have all of their energy and focus on game-planning a single opponent, and they got murdered on the defensive end because Holiday was too big to handle, and the only defensive-minded guy who might have been able to handle him (Aminu) was busy trying to bail water against Anthony Davis.

Here's the truth: Anthony Davis is younger and he ain't going anywhere. The Blazers couldn't do shit to the Rockets, they ain't going anywhere for the next couple of years either. The Dubs were beat up all year with injuries and seemed like they were going through the motions, you can't count on that in future seasons. So let's say you can get past any of those other teams and actually get to the finals, what then? Well for the foreseeable future it's guys like Simmons, Embid, Giannis, LeBron, Taytum, etc. standing in your way, almost all of whom are much younger than the Blazers tandem of star guards.

This team is too unsuccessful to reasonably afford going into repeater tax hell, yet they are loaded down with some of the most undesirable contracts in the NBA, which makes conducting trades for the things you want or need nearly impossible, without putting guys like CJ or Damian on the block. This team will not get better if all they are offering other team's is Turner, MeyLe, Harkless, et al.

As for firing Terry? Replacing Stotts isn't going to fix the glaring roster issues, but nobody can convince me he was getting the very best out of this team either in playoff situations. Poor use of timeouts, and little to no adjustments in-game or between games. A new voice won't get this team to championship contention, but it probably won't hurt.
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This has has to be the best post of the year... you explained everything wonderfully. I don’t understand how some people think there is still a path forward without trading Dame or CJ.
 
Gronk Brady said:
This has has to be the best post of the year... you explained everything wonderfully. I don’t understand how some people think there is still a path forward without trading Dame or CJ.
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I think a lot of people are content with just winning enough games to make the playoffs for some reason and just being a decent regular season team.
 
santeesioux said:
I think a lot of people are content with just winning enough games to make the playoffs for some reason and just being a decent regular season team.
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Yes that is fans in general. The ones that don't post on message boards. And there are more of those then us.
 
I’m still torn on what direction to go coach wise and while I think NO needs to go back to the land of valet parking, I’d like to point out what happened the last time we went looking for a new GM and head coach.......my memory may suck but as I recall, “quality” or “name” candidates weren’t exactly lining up for the jobs 6 years ago. So in the end we got (at least what I would call) “second tier” guys. This time around there are more “first tier” candidates available, but just like top tier free agents, how many of them are going to want to come here? While I personally (trying to be as objective as a native Oregonian can be) feel that Portland would be a premium job (location, obscenely rich owner, diehard fans, a decent core to build on) I’m just not seeing the heavy hitters looking our way unless they see it as a short term stepping stone to the brighter lights elsewhere. I hope I’m wrong and that I’m just succumbing to the “poor old Portland, woe is us”mentality that had grown so prevalent the past 2 decades. But I have to thing that PA is going to have to throw out some serious bank for both positions if he wants the real talent.......
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
I’m still torn on what direction to go coach wise and while I think NO needs to go back to the land of valet parking, I’d like to point out what happened the last time we went looking for a new GM and head coach.......my memory may suck but as I recall, “quality” or “name” candidates weren’t exactly lining up for the jobs 6 years ago. So in the end we got (at least what I would call) “second tier” guys. This time around there are more “first tier” candidates available, but just like top tier free agents, how many of them are going to want to come here? While I personally (trying to be as objective as a native Oregonian can be) feel that Portland would be a premium job (location, obscenely rich owner, diehard fans, a decent core to build on) I’m just not seeing the heavy hitters looking our way unless they see it as a short term stepping stone to the brighter lights elsewhere. I hope I’m wrong and that I’m just succumbing to the “poor old Portland, woe is us”mentality that had grown so prevalent the past 2 decades. But I have to thing that PA is going to have to throw out some serious bank for both positions if he wants the real talent.......
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No salary cap for coaches or GMs. If Paul could offer LeBron, and other top free agents $1 billion contracts, we'd have no trouble attracting tier 1 players.

You want a top tier GM and coach? Just open the wallet and pay what it takes to get them.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
No salary cap for coaches or GMs. If Paul could offer LeBron, and other top free agents $1 billion contracts, we'd have no trouble attracting tier 1 players.

You want a top tier GM and coach? Just open the wallet and pay what it takes to get them.

BNM
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Pretty much what I said. But if past reports are to be believed, PA has always been willing to pay the money when he really wants something. It’s not his fault that those offers have been rejected (restricted free agents not included).
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Pretty much what I said. But if past reports are to be believed, PA has always been willing to pay the money when he really wants something. It’s not his fault that those offers have been rejected (restricted free agents not included).
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Everyone has their price. With players, because of the cap, you can't just offer LeBron 2x what anyone else is willing to pay. If you want Jay Wright (for example) offer him 2x what Villanova can pay him. If that doesn't get his attention, and he really is your guy, offer him 3x. Throw enough money out there and you can get anyone you want.

I've heard of coaches declining an interview, but never heard of one turning down Paul Allen's money. Pick your three or four candidates, contact their agents prior to conducting any interviews and let them know you want the best coach available and are willing to make the right candidate the highest paid coach in the league. Don't just assume they know that.

BNM
 
It’s interesting to look back at that Paul George trade and see how impactful that was on a lot of levels. You add PG to this roster and we are on a completely different level. Everyone’s job is likely safe and the trajectory is completely different.

And people say Pritchard made the right deal but if our offer was what it was rumored to be, they could have had Donovan Mitchell, Kyle Kuzma, or OG Anunony along with Harkless and/or Aminu. I think I would take a Mitchell, Kuzma, Turner core over Oladipo and Turner. That trade really seemed like it was our best chance to make that next jump.
 
I wouldn’t fire Terry but an interesting name did come up today for another job and he has ties to this area. Ime Udoka would be intersting.
 
AFully22 said:
It’s interesting to look back at that Paul George trade and see how impactful that was on a lot of levels. You add PG to this roster and we are on a completely different level. Everyone’s job is likely safe and the trajectory is completely different.

And people say Pritchard made the right deal but if our offer was what it was rumored to be, they could have had Donovan Mitchell, Kyle Kuzma, or OG Anunony along with Harkless and/or Aminu. I think I would take a Mitchell, Kuzma, Turner core over Oladipo and Turner. That trade really seemed like it was our best chance to make that next jump.
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I don't think we'd me much better. Another ISO player in an ISO offense. He's not any better than our guards going 1-on-1, and it's not like they'd play off of each other.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
I’m still torn on what direction to go coach wise and while I think NO needs to go back to the land of valet parking, I’d like to point out what happened the last time we went looking for a new GM and head coach.......my memory may suck but as I recall, “quality” or “name” candidates weren’t exactly lining up for the jobs 6 years ago. So in the end we got (at least what I would call) “second tier” guys. This time around there are more “first tier” candidates available, but just like top tier free agents, how many of them are going to want to come here? While I personally (trying to be as objective as a native Oregonian can be) feel that Portland would be a premium job (location, obscenely rich owner, diehard fans, a decent core to build on) I’m just not seeing the heavy hitters looking our way unless they see it as a short term stepping stone to the brighter lights elsewhere. I hope I’m wrong and that I’m just succumbing to the “poor old Portland, woe is us”mentality that had grown so prevalent the past 2 decades. But I have to thing that PA is going to have to throw out some serious bank for both positions if he wants the real talent.......
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This franchise is in a much better place than it was then though, and I think that matters.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Injuries happen... we had them as well. Everybody deals with them. During that streak we beat the Warriors at full strength. Who cares? We weren't supposed to win a title this year. This stability has given us the playoffs on a regular basis. We're now a couple pieces away with a very young team and people are begging to blow it up?

I'm sorry, but how freaking stupid can you be?
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We're more than a couple prieces away, because our style of baskwtball will never breed postseason success. We also need a coaching overhaul, whather Stotts changes his philosophies or whether it's a new coach.

We also have NO way of adding those final couple of prices unless we get lucky with a late 1st round pick.
 
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BonesJones said:
I don't think we'd me much better. Another ISO player in an ISO offense. He's not any better than our guards going 1-on-1, and it's not like they'd play off of each other.
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Wouldn't Pels have been worried about doubling off of George?
 
KingSpeed said:
Wouldn't Pels have been worried about doubling off of George?
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They were doubling off pick n rolls send would help onto Nurkic off of Aminu, Turner, or whoever else was in.
 
OneLifeToLive said:
I wouldn’t fire Terry but an interesting name did come up today for another job and he has ties to this area. Ime Udoka would be intersting.
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I wonder if erik spoelstra is ready for a change of scenery. Although there might be bad blood over his dad.
 
Anybody think the Blazers brass is waiting to see what happens to Joe Prunty? He's in an interim role right now.
 
Nikolokolus said:
They are about to enter cap hell, there are no pieces coming -- what you see is what you get, minus a late first round pick. Secondly "young" is a relative term. Damian is 28 and will be 29 next season. That's not young for a small guard, he's got maybe two? Three? more years of being able to play at his current level, after that it may be a slow decline, or a rapid decline, but it will definitely be a decline and then they are really fucked. Beyond that we just saw an object lesson about why our two best players really shouldn't be starting together in the backcourt. They're definitely good enough to rack up wins during the regular season when half of the teams you play aren't very good, but come playoff-time, they haven't held up against teams that have all of their energy and focus on game-planning a single opponent, and they got murdered on the defensive end because Holiday was too big to handle, and the only defensive-minded guy who might have been able to handle him (Aminu) was busy trying to bail water against Anthony Davis.

Here's the truth: Anthony Davis is younger and he ain't going anywhere. The Blazers couldn't do shit to the Rockets, they ain't going anywhere for the next couple of years either. The Dubs were beat up all year with injuries and seemed like they were going through the motions, you can't count on that in future seasons. So let's say you can get past any of those other teams and actually get to the finals, what then? Well for the foreseeable future it's guys like Simmons, Embid, Giannis, LeBron, Taytum, etc. standing in your way, almost all of whom are much younger than the Blazers tandem of star guards.

This team is too unsuccessful to justify going into repeater tax hell, yet they are loaded down with some of the most undesirable contracts in the NBA, which makes conducting trades for the things you want or need nearly impossible, without putting guys like CJ or Damian on the block. This team will not get better if all they are offering other team's is Turner, MeyLe, Harkless, et al.

As for firing Terry? Replacing Stotts isn't going to fix the glaring roster issues, but nobody can convince me he was getting the very best out of this team either in playoff situations. Poor use of timeouts, and little to no adjustments in-game or between games. A new voice won't get this team to championship contention, but it probably won't hurt.
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Then we're stuck rebuilding in 3 years anyway. Why give up now? I'm all for trading CJ or Dame if we can get a better player. But I'm not sure how you expect that to happen by bringing in a new GM or coach. We just lost one of our two all-stars a few years ago with nothing to show for it. In 2 years with Dame, Collins, Nurk, and CJ all in their prime we should be contenders. Especially if we can upgrade the wing with a better shooter that is an elite level defender. You're not going to bring in a coach or GM that is going to get more out of this team. You're not going to rebuild this team with a new coach and GM in time to be as good as we'll be in 2 years by doing nothing.

Makes no sense. You're being completely unrealistic.
 
BonesJones said:
We're more than a couple prieces away, because our style of baskwtball will never breed postseason success. We also need a coaching overhaul, whather Stotts changes his philosophies or whether it's a new coach.

We also have NO way of adding those final couple of prices unless we get lucky with a late 1st round pick.
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Those are opinions, but none of them change the fact that we just lost to a team with 3 all-stars. We overachieved to get where we were, and that showed in the playoffs. But we've gotten better every season. We'll continue to get better.
 
OneLifeToLive said:
I wouldn’t fire Terry but an interesting name did come up today for another job and he has ties to this area. Ime Udoka would be intersting.
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This is who I have been thinking about since we got swept as the next head coach.
 
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