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Phatguysrule said:
Then we're stuck rebuilding in 3 years anyway. Why give up now? I'm all for trading CJ or Dame if we can get a better player. But I'm not sure how you expect that to happen by bringing in a new GM or coach. We just lost one of our two all-stars a few years ago with nothing to show for it. In 2 years with Dame, Collins, Nurk, and CJ all in their prime we should be contenders. Especially if we can upgrade the wing with a better shooter that is an elite level defender. You're not going to bring in a coach or GM that is going to get more out of this team. You're not going to rebuild this team with a new coach and GM in time to be as good as we'll be in 2 years by doing nothing.

Makes no sense. You're being completely unrealistic.
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You know what makes no sense? The goddamned staus quo.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Those are opinions, but none of them change the fact that we just lost to a team with 3 all-stars. We overachieved to get where we were, and that showed in the playoffs. But we've gotten better every season. We'll continue to get better.
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We lost to a team with 3 all-stars? What?

People just making stuff up to defend Stotts. They had 3 all-stars (in reality, they had 2 and 1 was injured). We overachieved. They were a bad matchup. Our roster sucks even though were one piece away. We've gotten better (When Playoffs matter and we've gotta swept 2 years in a row after making playoffs).

No one wants to discuss schemes, our lack of ball movement, his untimely timeouts, our lack of action towards the basket, or anything basketball wise. It's always cliche defenses.
 
We need a coach who can bench CJ, when he goes rogue. I doubt we can trade him for anything valuable.
 
BonesJones said:
We lost to a team with 3 all-stars? What?

People just making stuff up to defend Stotts. They had 3 all-stars (in reality, they had 2 and 1 was injured). We overachieved. They were a bad matchup. Our roster sucks even though were one piece away. We've gotten better (When Playoffs matter and we've gotta swept 2 years in a row after making playoffs).

No one wants to discuss schemes, our lack of ball movement, his untimely timeouts, our lack of action towards the basket, or anything basketball wise. It's always cliche defenses.
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AD, Rondo, and Jrue have all been All Stars. Rondo has won championships a championship and probably has more playoff experience than anybody in the playoffs.

The offensive schemes worked. The Blazers got a TON of open looks in this series, and when they made them they were competitive. You're whining about stuff you can't control, and you'll never be able to control. When we missed those shots the Pelicans were able to up the pace of the game which hurt our defense and we didn't have enough shot makers to spread the floor enough to get back in it. It was a bad matchup with a team that should have finished ahead of us. This team should have swept us in the regular season, and would have if not for injuries to Davis in 2 games.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
AD, Rondo, and Jrue have all been All Stars. Rondo has won championships and probably has more playoff experience than anybody in the playoffs.

The offensive schemes worked. The Blazers got a TON of open looks in this series, and when they made them they were competitive. You're whining about stuff you can't control, and you'll never be able to control. When we missed those shots the Pelicans were able to up the pace of the game which hurt our defense and we didn't have enough shot makers to spread the floor enough to get back in it. It was a bad matchup with a team that should have finished ahead of us. This team should have swept us in the regular season, and would have if not for injuries to Davis in 2 games.
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At the risk of sounding like KS, he won one championship, not multiple ones.
 
Nikolokolus said:
You know what makes no sense? The goddamned staus quo.
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You mean improving every season? Yeah, that's how this works... last season we added a center. In the off-season we added a rookie who is a year or two away from being a great stretch 4. We have to address one starting position and fill in the bench now... sure, you hope to get lucky and land the next Anthony Davis or have Paul George fall into your lap, but otherwise you just make improvements where you can.

The way for Portland to build a perennial power is by promoting stability, great atmosphere, and care for our players. We have no other advantages. That's what Terry Stotts and Neil Olshey are doing. And it's been working.
 
Phatguysrule said:
You mean improving every season? Yeah, that's how this works... last season we added a center. In the off-season we added a rookie who is a year or two away from being a great stretch 4. We have to address one starting position and fill in the bench now... sure, you hope to get lucky and land the next Anthony Davis or have Paul George fall into your lap, but otherwise you just make improvements where you can.

The way for Portland to build a perennial power is by promoting stability, great atmosphere, and care for our players. We have no other advantages. That's what Terry Stotts and Neil Olshey are doing. And it's been working.
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Give it another month and most of us will calm down and probably realize Olshey is right. Where were all these complaints two weeks ago? His presser yesterday pissed me off but I admit it was mostly emotional. The team did improve this year, they just ran into a horrible matchup and our X factor was either limited or completely missing. You can bring up NO missing Cousins but there can be an argument made they play better without him. They definitely play better without him against Portland. You can’t say the same about Harkless. Everything says we were a better team with him on the floor.

Doesn’t mean things should stay the same, but the issues are fixable. We need to upgrade the bench and make more passes.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
You mean improving every season? Yeah, that's how this works... last season we added a center. In the off-season we added a rookie who is a year or two away from being a great stretch 4. We have to address one starting position and fill in the bench now... sure, you hope to get lucky and land the next Anthony Davis or have Paul George fall into your lap, but otherwise you just make improvements where you can.

The way for Portland to build a perennial power is by promoting stability, great atmosphere, and care for our players. We have no other advantages. That's what Terry Stotts and Neil Olshey are doing. And it's been working.
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10 playoff losses in a row is not "improving."
 
Phatguysrule said:
You mean improving every season? Yeah, that's how this works... last season we added a center. In the off-season we added a rookie who is a year or two away from being a great stretch 4. We have to address one starting position and fill in the bench now... sure, you hope to get lucky and land the next Anthony Davis or have Paul George fall into your lap, but otherwise you just make improvements where you can.

The way for Portland to build a perennial power is by promoting stability, great atmosphere, and care for our players. We have no other advantages. That's what Terry Stotts and Neil Olshey are doing. And it's been working.
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You saved me having to write a similar post this morning. I’ve stayed pretty much off of the board since the series ended, partly to avoid posting something stupid while my emotions were still raw and mostly to avoid reading all of the vitriol by people overreacting to the sweep.

With a few deep breaths under my belt, I remain convinced that there was exactly one team in the league that could have pulled off shutting down Dame as effectively as he was in this series. We just had the misfortune of having to play the Pelicans. As good defensively as the Warriors were last year, Dame and CJ put up big numbers against them. The Rockets aren’t a threat to shut down our backcourt. So the largest part of how bad the Blazers looked is attributable to the unique skills of AD and Holiday. Do you make drastic changes because the Blazers drew them in the first round instead of beating OKC? Olshey is right to say that overreacting on the basis of that series and overlooking the positives of the season is not the way to go. The team needs some upgrades, but not necessarily dynamite.

The problem with the perennial tankers around here is that you can’t fight their imaginations. In their minds the rebuild will always result in getting a better coach and GM and every trade or draft pick will be a success. It’s like Paul Simon said in Kodachrome, “If you got all the girls I knew when I was single, and brought them all together for one night, they’d never match my sweet little imagination, and everything thing looks worse” if we don’t blow everything up an start over again.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Their contract situation.
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Aren't we the second youngest team in the NBA? Don't young teams get older? As we age, don't most of us get wiser? Why wouldn't this team get better?
 
Scalma said:
Give it another month and most of us will calm down and probably realize Olshey is right. Where were all these complaints two weeks ago? His presser yesterday pissed me off but I admit it was mostly emotional. The team did improve this year, they just ran into a horrible matchup and our X factor was either limited or completely missing. You can bring up NO missing Cousins but there can be an argument made they play better without him. They definitely play better without him against Portland. You can’t say the same about Harkless. Everything says we were a better team with him on the floor.

Doesn’t mean things should stay the same, but the issues are fixable. We need to upgrade the bench and make more passes.
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I agree. But Harkless has emotional and durability issues. Man I love that guy, but he's also not the best shooter and sometimes has trouble keeping his head in the game. But when he's on we're far and away better. I wonder if there isn't something going on behind the scenes there... if there wasn't something wrong I have no doubt Stotts would be playing him.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I agree. But Harkless has emotional and durability issues. Man I love that guy, but he's also not the best shooter and sometimes has trouble keeping his head in the game. But when he's on we're far and away better. I wonder if there isn't something going on behind the scenes there... if there wasn't something wrong I have no doubt Stotts would be playing him.
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I think he was sulking earlier in the season, but to his credit he manned up, apologized to the team, and eventually regained his spot. That’s maturation. Sometimes we forget these are still young human beings.
 
Scalma said:
This jackass has some stats.









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And this is critical. Those other guys have got to hit those shots to space the floor. Especially if the refs aren't calling fouls. This isn't on Stotts. This is a young team 1 player away, and missing shots in the playoffs. Young teams don't win much in the playoffs. It doesn't mean we shouldn't try, but the fact that we're getting home court advantage with this young team is a credit to Stotts coaching.

If they don't produce in the playoffs like they did in the regular season they are just doing what most young players do. And that puts a lot of pressure on Dame and CJ against the best defenses who have time to gameplan for them.
 
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Scalma said:
I think he was sulking earlier in the season, but to his credit he manned up, apologized to the team, and eventually regained his spot. That’s maturation. Sometimes we forget these are still young human beings.
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Agreed.
 
e_blazer said:
You saved me having to write a similar post this morning. I’ve stayed pretty much off of the board since the series ended, partly to avoid posting something stupid while my emotions were still raw and mostly to avoid reading all of the vitriol by people overreacting to the sweep.

With a few deep breaths under my belt, I remain convinced that there was exactly one team in the league that could have pulled off shutting down Dame as effectively as he was in this series. We just had the misfortune of having to play the Pelicans. As good defensively as the Warriors were last year, Dame and CJ put up big numbers against them. The Rockets aren’t a threat to shut down our backcourt. So the largest part of how bad the Blazers looked is attributable to the unique skills of AD and Holiday. Do you make drastic changes because the Blazers drew them in the first round instead of beating OKC? Olshey is right to say that overreacting on the basis of that series and overlooking the positives of the season is not the way to go. The team needs some upgrades, but not necessarily dynamite.

The problem with the perennial tankers around here is that you can’t fight their imaginations. In their minds the rebuild will always result in getting a better coach and GM and every trade or draft pick will be a success. It’s like Paul Simon said in Kodachrome, “If you got all the girls I knew when I was single, and brought them all together for one night, they’d never match my sweet little imagination, and everything thing looks worse” if we don’t blow everything up an start over again.
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Exactly. We could well have swept OKC if we played them. Probably not, it's tough to beat a team 8 times in a row. But I have no doubt we would have won that series.
 
Phatguysrule said:
And this is critical. Those other guys have got to hit those shots to space the floor. Especially if the refs aren't calling fouls. This isn't on Stotts. This is a young team 1 player away, and missing shots on the playoffs. Young teams don't win much in the playoffs. It doesn't mean we shouldn't try, but the fact that we're getting home court advantage with this young team is a credit to Stotts coaching.

If they don't produce in the playoffs like they did in the regular season they are just doing what most young players do. And that puts a lot of pressure on Dame and CJ against the best defenses who have time to gameplan for that.
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Take this a step further. Terry got open shots for guys who aren't good shooters. That's not really a solution for our problems of Dame getting trapped. What happened to weakside cuts or sending guys to the rim instead of just settling for outside shots? What if that was actually New Orleans' game plan-- to force Collins/Aminu/Turner into jumpshots?

Clearly a situation of Terry thinking any open shot is a good shot, while not realizing that the personnel who were getting those open looks can't shoot.

And this isn't even touching the defense. We had no game plan for Rondo or Mirotic, and let Holiday go one on one. Terry got his ass whooped in the playoffs by a mediocre coach in Gentry, and no stat about open looks can change that.
 
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yuyuza1 said:
Take this a step further. Terry got open shots for guys who aren't good shooters. That's not really a solution for our problems of Dame getting trapped. What happened to weakside cuts or sending guys to the rim instead of just settling for outside shots? What if that was actually New Orleans' game plan-- to force Collins/Aminu/Turner into jumpshots?

Clearly a situation of Terry thinking any open shot is a good shot, while not realizing that the personnel who were getting those open looks can't shoot.

And this isn't even touching the defense. We had no game plan for Rondo or Mirotic, and let Holiday go one on one.
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Its hard to slash when your only reliable creator is getting picked up full court and then double and triple teamed. I don’t trust anyone outside Dame to actually make the proper reads. I think it’s more a personnel issue than a Stotts one. Guys like CJ, Napier (if he stays), Moe and Aminu need to commit themselves to improving as passers. Our second best creator was fucking Nurkic, like come on. Shit even Collins was better than most.
 
Scalma said:
Its hard to slash when your only reliable creator is getting picked up full court and then double and triple teamed. I don’t trust anyone outside Dame to actually make the proper reads. I think it’s more a personnel issue than a Stotts one. Guys like CJ, Napier (if he stays), Moe and Aminu need to commit themselves to improving as passers. Our second best creator was fucking Nurkic, like come on. Shit even Collins was better than most.
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Neil also obviously deserves of part of the blame, but take a look at what ET said in his exit interview. Verbatim: Maybe if the team had practiced and designed plays to counter this extreme defensive focus at Dame/CJ, we would have been ready to handle this better.
 
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