Marco Rubio

[barfo]

Now you are being obtuse. Going to school is not being a resident and he had no intention of being a resident. The King of Jordan went to school here, he wasn't a resident.
I worked in England on a temporary Visa, but I was never a resident of the UK. I had about eight foreign nationals of several countries working here on temporary work visas, none were
ever considered US residents.

You are wanting to play lawyer, but it looks to me like you are just making up your own definition of 'resident' here instead of applying the relevant legal definition. Please quote me a source for the definition of resident (one written before 1800, because we know that nothing since then matters....)

barfo

 

[kjironman1]

You are wanting to play lawyer, but it looks to me like you are just making up your own definition of 'resident' here instead of applying the relevant legal definition. Please quote me a source for the definition of resident (one written before 1800, because we know that nothing since then matters....)

barfo

So you are saying the nursing home residency application definition doesn't apply here?

 

[MarAzul]

You are wanting to play lawyer, but it looks to me like you are just making up your own definition of 'resident' here instead of applying the relevant legal definition. Please quote me a source for the definition of resident (one written before 1800, because we know that nothing since then matters....)
barfo

I don't know the process to become a resident prior to 1800. Today you file form I-485 with USCIS, the proceedure since the 1950s.

 

[barfo]

I don't know the process to become a resident prior to 1800. Today you file form I-485 with USCIS, the proceedure since the 1950s.

I don't see I-485 forms mentioned in the constitution, so I think I'm going to have to say that's not relevant.

I think it was a simpler time back then - you were either living here (resident) or you weren't.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't see I-485 forms mentioned in the constitution, so I think I'm going to have to say that's not relevant.

I think it was a simpler time back then - you were either living here (resident) or you weren't.

barfo

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html

Section. 8.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

You might want to pay attention. And the underlined bit, too.

 

[barfo]

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html

Section. 8.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

You might want to pay attention. And the underlined bit, too.

That's naturalization, not residency. That's why they have two different words for them. Dunno what your point about commerce is.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

That's naturalization, not residency. That's why they have two different words for them. Dunno what your point about commerce is.

barfo

I don't think you playing the semantics game changes congress' power to establish uniform rules of naturalization (and anything lesser).

 

[barfo]

I believe this might be relevant:

Dear Thomas,
I write to you today with this Thought. What if, one day, a Negro from darkest Africa should perchance sail to the Sandwich Isles, thereupon to learn at the feet of whatever masters there may be at that time; what if that same Negro were to lay there with a White Woman from one of the States and she should then bear his Child? Further, what if by some improbable Chance or Whim the Sandwich Isles were to become in our possession. Would that Child, if he not be a Slave, be eligible to be President? I say to you that he must be, for although he may be Black as Night, he is a natural born citizen.

barfo

 

[barfo]

I don't think you playing the semantics game changes congress' power to establish uniform rules of naturalization (and anything lesser).

Dunno what your point is. I didn't suggest that congress couldn't establish uniform rules of naturalization. I wasn't talking about naturalization at all.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

I think it was a simpler time back then - you were either living here (resident) or you weren't

It really doesn't matter about 1800, does it? The point is, the law is, you apply for residency now. Barack Sr. never did. Cruz and Rubio Sr did, apparently it was their intention to
live here. They did it the the legal way, hey! Their sons are Natural born citizens.

 

[Denny Crane]

I believe this might be relevant:



barfo

Well, Obama was supposedly born in 1961. I'l grant that he probably was. However, if he was born in 1959 in the sandwich isles (hawaii), it wasn't a state back then. Whether in that case he's eligible to be president, or a citizen, might be an interesting question.

 

[Denny Crane]

Dunno what your point is. I didn't suggest that congress couldn't establish uniform rules of naturalization. I wasn't talking about naturalization at all.

barfo

You weren't talking about anything you know much about.

 

[Denny Crane]

I showed you where in the constitution it talked about power to set up naturalization (and not).

I don't think it says anything about ObamaCare in there.

 

[kjironman1]

Residency was the question for determining citizenship of the son of someone who has not been given citizenship. Who establishes the rules was not in question. The question was about being a resident while here. If the child would still be a natural citizen. This comes into play when talking about Mitt Romney as well as Marco Rubio.

Now you are being obtuse. Going to school is not being a resident and he had no intention of being a resident. The King of Jordan went to school here, he wasn't a resident.
I worked in England on a temporary Visa, but I was never a resident of the UK. I had about eight foreign nationals of several countries working here on temporary work visas, none were
ever considered US residents.

 

[barfo]

It really doesn't matter about 1800, does it?

No, it doesn't. That's been my point for the two threads this discussion has consumed, thanks for finally agreeing.

The point is, the law is, you apply for residency now.

Sorry, that's not the original definition of residency. You have to look to the founders intent, I've heard. Quit trampling the constitution, MarAzul!

There are also lots of other laws now, which make your 'his father was never a resident' argment pointless, as it depends on stopping time in 1800.

Barack Sr. never did. Cruz and Rubio Sr did, apparently it was their intention to live here. They did it the the legal way, hey!

Pretty sure Obama Sr. was not here illegally.

barfo

 

[barfo]

I showed you where in the constitution it talked about power to set up naturalization (and not).

Yes, you did. And I pointed out that it wasn't relevant to the discussion. So then you bring up Obamacare.

Nice trolling.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Yes, you did. And I pointed out that it wasn't relevant to the discussion. So then you bring up Obamacare.

Nice trolling.

barfo

Not trolling, pointing out you seem to not know what is in the constitution, but you'd wipe your ass with it.

 

[barfo]

Not trolling, pointing out you seem to not know what is in the constitution, but you'd wipe your ass with it.

Ok... your completely irrelevant and nonfactual point is duly noted.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Ok... your completely irrelevant and nonfactual point is duly noted.

barfo

It's not irrelevant. I was curious what you do think is in the constitution. The things you advocate aren't.

 

[MarAzul]

Mags was right.

 

[Stevenson]

Back to our regularly scheduled programming -

Almost all national Republican candidates these days skew far too right for my taste (for most folks' taste). They also are very unlikable. Mitt seems like a genuinely good guy, but his pandering to the right was pathetic and transparent. Ted Cruz seems like a whack job. Chris Christie is a bully. McCain is a grumpy old man. Jeb - meh.

Rubio is the best of the bunch - too bad he is too reasonable on immigration for the right. He would give Hillary a run for her money.

 

[Denny Crane]

Rubio and Bush are from Florida. His entrance into the race will make it tougher for Bush to take Florida, obviously.

I'm not sure hard right is that much worse than hard left, if at all.

If the republican can not act like a clown, he or she might have a better chance than you'd think. Republican voters may want to win the election more. Hillary is a polarizing figure, even among democrats.

I really don't like any of the republican candidates, but if I had a gun to my head, I'd vote for Paul.

 

[jlprk]

Watching the Right dancing on the head of a pin, to discuss rules not allowing presidential candidates to run...It sure was simple about Obama, but strangely complicated when it comes to Republican candidates.

 

[maxiep]

It seems to me Rubio doesn't have a realistic path to the Presidency. My guess is he's shooting to be the VP nominee.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

It seems to me Rubio doesn't have a realistic path to the Presidency. My guess is he's shooting to be the VP nominee.

I could see that, honestly it should come down to Paul, Walker and Kasich with Rubio as the VP. God forbid Bush get the nomination.

 

[maxiep]

I could see that, honestly it should come down to Paul, Walker and Kasich with Rubio as the VP. God forbid Bush get the nomination.

If it's Clinton/Bush for the Presidency, I will write in a ham sandwich before I vote for either one.

 

[Haakzilla]

 

[Denny Crane]

Koch Brothers.

Boogey man.

Oh no!

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Not exactly boogymen, but they are driving the policy of the country. Should they be?

 

[Denny Crane]

Not exactly boogymen, but they are driving the policy of the country. Should they be?

Exactly boogymen.

But... No more than Warren Buffett or George Soros or Spielberg or Geffen or Bloomberg, etc.