Martin/Maggette Throw Down

[jbbKing James]

Fight night!

Maggette and Martin exchange blows after a hard Martin foul on Magtette after he was driving to the basket.

Catch the highlights, both will miss games, count on it.

 

[Purple N Gold]

Damn! Everyone definetley watch ESPN tonight, crazy stuff, the suspensions will hurt both teams greatly.

 

[TimFlem]

Yeah I just read about it on NBA.com. I want to see a clip of it though. Juan Howard and Ron Artest almost threw down tonight to. Man I want to see a clip of the Martin Cory fight.

 

[Henacy]

It wasnt that big of a deal but Martin will probably get more games than Corey because he threw more punches. But Corey really started because he tried to get a cheap push in on K-mart(which he did). K-mart fell off the push, got up & a shot at Corey's face which landed. then they threw punches that really didnt land.

 

[Crossover]

Maggette doesn't know how to fight. All those muscles for nothing.

 

[InNETSweTrust]

If someone can post a link or something, I'd really appreciate it. I have no chance of catching this at the moment

 

[Rave]

I commend Maggette, he tried to apologize, Martin rejected. He's too intense a player, remember last year's finals when Duncan offered to help him up? He slapped Duncan's hand away, so much for becoming friends with Mr. Nice Guy. He might become worse then Rasheed Wallace, a much better player though. Hopefully they come back soon, they're essential to team success.

 

[jbbKing James]

Martin is the type of guy you hate, but when he is on your team, you love him.

 

[InNETSweTrust]

That's what you'd love to hate about him. He's an intense player and it is reaping benefits. He's a maturing player so there'll be bumps along the road. But still, he's showing a great improvement in his attitude. He's getting better from his technical filled year.

I'm not too concerned about him being worse than Sheed.

Hey, and this is a physical game. Sometimes it gets even the nicest of players.

 

[Waneko]

Kenyon Martin needs therapy. Bad. He's a very angry man.

 

[InNETSweTrust]

He's not a bad man. He's just an intense man. Intensity+ someone trying to sneak a push= FIGHT!

 

[Henacy]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James:</div><div class="quote_post">Martin is the type of guy you hate, but when he is on your team, you love him.</div>

HAhA... exactly, my boy K-mart is a beast. He'll do any & everything to win. Every great team needs an enforcer. And he is ours. Jason Kidd is our best player, but K-mart is our heart. Every player & team knows that when you play K-mart & the Nets, they better watch out cause k-mart dont take no s**t from anybody. That why all the trade talk with K-mart are just that TALK. The Nets character would be totally different without k-mart. Other teams fans & players are not surpose to like K-Mart. How many teams players & Fans liked Bill Lambieer during the late 80's, when the Pistons ruled/beat up the East?

 

[InNETSweTrust]

^ Good point!

And how many players won't back down from Big Ben's humongous arms?

BTW, both got suspended for two games...

http://www.nba.com/news/maggette_martin_040107.html

 

[magicfrankie]

Damn.. I want to see a clip of this... can't find it anywhere!

 

[Kid Canada]

Maggette would of kicked his ass. K-Mart is all talk.

 

[Rave]

Why would anyone want to see that, it was horrible, the pinnacle of bad sportsmanship! K-Mart needs a reality check, he needs to get back in line. His intensity is getting out of hand, he's a great player I admit. However, he works so hard it can become very taxing for him. Maybe he should rest up or ease up abit, relax, maybe these two days will do him some good. As for him maturing, I just think he got better as a player but not really as a sportsperson or athlete.

 

[olskoolfunktitude]

Kmart just keeps proving why hes one of the more classless players in the NBA. Hes one of these players who thinks people are intimdated by his antics when its just kind of a sideshow. If you think you have a right to try and slug someone in an NBA game after they give you a push youre in for some hard lessons. people get pushed around on just about every play. Martin should also be looking out for his own saftey, the guy fights like a girl

 

[Mamba]

Crossover..how do you know that Maggette would of got his @$$ kicked, Kmart is all talk, he is hard-headed, he doesnt respect anybody, he proved it when he laughed at Alonzo Mourning.

 

[InNETSweTrust]

^ Dude, let the Zo talk go...it's all over anyway...

Magic Johnson, how come you're saying that he never improved as a sportsman? Don't you even remember how he always rack up those flagrants and T's? His attitude now is way improved from before...

Olskool! Nice to have you back even if it means slashing at my man K-Mart...hehehe...I do agree that punching someone isn't right...but come on...basketball is a physical game...anyone who plays at K-Mart's level is bound to get pissed off...even TD the supposed Mr. Nice Guy pushed a ref...

KJ said it all...Martin is a guy you'd hate...but if he's on your team, you'd love him...

 

[olskoolfunktitude]

wouldnt want anyone who fights like a girl on my team

 

[InNETSweTrust]

^ or maybe because he shut down your man 'Toine completely during the playoffs? hehehe

 

[shinji3c]

sign up for nba.com ...the inside ticket thing
i watched it and it was nothing...really nothing

 

[shinji3c]

K-mart can go to hell

 

[InNETSweTrust]

first of all...don't post pad...you can use the edit button...

second...it cannot be nothing...im sure it was something for it to merit suspension...

 

[Henacy]

All this K-mart hate is really funny to me. Hating K-mart shows generally, how little most people know about basketball? How can you hate a guy that can pretty much lock down any player on the frontline not named shaq, KG, or TD? And he has had some success against KG and Duncun. How can you hate a guy who can change the complexion of a game on both in ends of the court, both on offense and Defense? How can you hate a guy who's total game has improved every year since he has entered the NBA? K-Marts points & rebounds & FG% has gotten better every single season. He has developed a go to move on the low block that is starting to become unstoppable. I remember when he played for the Bearcats & all he was really known for was blocking shots & dunking. But now he is starting to develope as a legit offensive option for the Nets in the Half-cout set. He is trying to develope some consistency to his mid-range shot. So I ask you how can you hate a guy who is willing to take no crap from anybody on the basketball court? His pressence a long probably keeps alot of teams from trying any dirty stuff with our best player(J.kidd). Because you know as much as J.kidd be embrassing these teams, there is someone out there that would love to take a hard foul on J.Kidd. But they arent going to try that with K-Mart on the court. K-mart's whole game is attack, attack, attack. He can either block your shot to the first row or he can either put you on a poster in some kids bedroom by dunking on your forehead. So for the Last time I ask how can you hate K-mart? Oh, Oh wait I know why because He usually doing all those things to your favorite team & player. So, who cares if you hate K-mart.

 

[InNETSweTrust]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Henacy:</div><div class="quote_post">All this K-mart hate is really funny to me. Hating K-mart shows generally, how little most people know about basketball? How can you hate a guy that can pretty much lock down any player on the frontline not named shaq, KG, or TD? And he has had some success against KG and Duncun. How can you hate a guy who can change the complexion of a game on both in ends of the court, both on offense and Defense? How can you hate a guy who's total game has improved every year since he has entered the NBA? K-Marts points & rebounds & FG% has gotten better every single season. He has developed a go to move on the low block that is starting to become unstoppable. I remember when he played for the Bearcats & all he was really known for was blocking shots & dunking. But now he is starting to develope as a legit offensive option for the Nets in the Half-cout set. He is trying to develope some consistency to his mid-range shot. So I ask you how can you hate a guy who is willing to take no crap from anybody on the basketball court? His pressence a long probably keeps alot of teams from trying any dirty stuff with our best player(J.kidd). Because you know as much as J.kidd be embrassing these teams, there is someone out there that would love to take a hard foul on J.Kidd. But they arent going to try that with K-Mart on the court. K-mart's whole game is attack, attack, attack. He can either block your shot to the first row or he can either put you on a poster in some kids bedroom by dunking on your forehead. So for the Last time I ask how can you hate K-mart? Oh, Oh wait I know why because He usually doing all those things to your favorite team & player. So, who cares if you hate K-mart.</div>

Great post dude. But let's face it there'll be a lot of K-Mart haters because they hate what he's doing to their team.

But I don't agree that he blocks shots to the first row, it's usually up to the third row.

 

[olskoolfunktitude]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Henacy:</div><div class="quote_post">All this K-mart hate is really funny to me. Hating K-mart shows generally, how little most people know about basketball? How can you hate a guy that can pretty much lock down any player on the frontline not named shaq, KG, or TD? And he has had some success against KG and Duncun. How can you hate a guy who can change the complexion of a game on both in ends of the court, both on offense and Defense? How can you hate a guy who's total game has improved every year since he has entered the NBA? K-Marts points & rebounds & FG% has gotten better every single season. He has developed a go to move on the low block that is starting to become unstoppable. I remember when he played for the Bearcats & all he was really known for was blocking shots & dunking. But now he is starting to develope as a legit offensive option for the Nets in the Half-cout set. He is trying to develope some consistency to his mid-range shot. </div>


A rather ignorant post. You need to whatch more games and not just Nets games. I really dont have any particular hate for kenyon martin. I certainly dont have much respect for him as a person because of how classless he has proven to be time and time again and how bad he is for team chemistry. Youre being decieved by his dunks and body language. Kenyon is a very good defender no quesiton but he's not defensive player of the year caliber player in that he doesnt get in his opponents heads (in fact usually its the opposite when hes struggleing as proven by his embrassing display of lack of self control against the clippers) and he CERTAINLY does NOT single handedly change the complexion of whole games on either end of the court. All he can do is give whatever single player hes guarding a less than average night but he still cant shut down any of the best players at his position not for a whole game.


Martins game has a striking lack of versatility (does he even know how to pass?) and he also isnt a terribly durable player and he deosnt help himself when he does dumb things and gets suspended. hes still never played 80 games in a season and he will be lucky to break 70 this year. Also you cant just look at the numbers and make conclusions like hes a great rebounder or shooter. His rebounding has always been consideered subpar for his height and athletisicm. This year hes getting more rebounds to his credit but the numebrs are now a little inflated because this year they have no one else to get them. Ben Wallace (who by the way is an inch SHORTER than Kmart) by comparison was taking down 15 rebounds a game when the pistons were dead last in the league in rebounding and now that things have evened out a little his rebounding numbers have decreased. Like Kmart there just wasnt anyone else around to take them. For the amount of chacnces martin gets on the boards he should be top 5-10 in the league in rebounding but he isnt because he gets flat out beat more times than he should if hes as great as you believe. And i dont know WHAT games youve been whatching to make you think he's a legitament offensive threat on anything ecxept the fast break. the word "unstoppable" and martin dont belong in the same zip code much less in the same sentence. he has ZERO half court offense. I cant think of a player ive seen in the leageu in the last 5 years who is more dependant on another player for his offense than kenyon martin is on jason kidd. His field goal percentage when not on a fast dish for an open dunk from kidd is well below 40% so i dont no where youre getting the idea that he has a great solo offensive game. He gets shut down in the post by decent defenders and worse he gets frustrated, they get into his head and he starts acting up and even fighting his teammates. It seems Martins always willing to blame someone other than himself. So you see now that I really dont hate KMart. I just hate when people are given so much more credit than they deserve

 

[InNETSweTrust]

^ Lots of BS dude.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">how bad he is for team chemistry</div>

He is their recognized emotional leader. How can he be bad for team chemistry?

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Youre being decieved by his dunks and body language.</div>

Dude, stop hating K-Mart so you can watch the whole Nets game and you'll see that dunking is not the only thing he's good at.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kenyon is a very good defender no quesiton but he's not defensive player of the year caliber player</div>

K-Mart is a very good defender as you've said. Add the fact that he's a very good offensive player as well and we have a well rounded player.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Martins game has a striking lack of versatility</div>

he's rather high on the NBA efficiency ranking! What does that tell you? He's an efficient player meaning he is versatily enough. It's kinda funny why you didn't mention his 1.48 bpg and 1.48 spg average. You mentioned his assists. He's averaging 2.5 apg. The league leader among forwards is 5.1. It's not much of a difference believe me.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Ben Wallace (who by the way is an inch SHORTER than Kmart) by comparison was taking down 15 rebounds a game</div>

Only a few people can match Big Ben's rebounding. I'm a great fan of Big Ben but have you seen a game where Big Ben tends to be offensive minded? If not, I'm telling you that his rebounding numbers goes down when he's looking to score. K-Mart currently has 14 double doubles this year. He's number 15 in that category. Have you seen the names from 1-13? Check it out and you'll see all-stars.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">he's a legitament offensive threat on anything ecxept the fast break.</div>

oh come on. You should know better than that. Do you really think that his 17.2ppg average all came from the break? I guess the Nets fastbreak is that great for you not to recognize that K-Mart has a fairly good semi hook and a devastating follow-up dunk among others.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I cant think of a player ive seen in the leageu in the last 5 years who is more dependant on another player for his offense than kenyon martin is on jason kidd.</div>

Typical post of a typical K-Mart hater. He led some games when Jason wasn't playing. What are you talking about?

I don't have time to quote you on your other points coz it's really baseless. You're making it sound like as if all K-Mart does is dunk all day. Well he's a great dunker obviously coz that's the only thing you've noticed. Have you seen streetball players run the break? Pretty isn't it? Have you seen some of them take alley-oop passes from their teammates? Kinda like how K-Mart does it huh? But why aren't they in the league? Coz it takes more than great dunking to make it big in the NBA.

 

[olskoolfunktitude]

ooh. effeicency ranking

thats such a crap system. by their logic, brad miller is the best player in the game.
I dont know what else I can say. Im clearly not blindly hating on Kamrt. I whatch a lot of basketball and a lot of nets games and have made good well thought out judgements about how good Kmart is or isnt. You really need to get off Kmarts nuts.


Heres you
Heres Kmarts nuts


we need a little more space between there if we gon take you seriously in an arguement regarding him. You're so far up his behind that theres two or three guys between you and henacy

 

[InNETSweTrust]

I never said anything about Efficiency rating being the basis of the best player in the game! All I'm saying that the efficiency rating shows if you're an all-around player. If you can score, rebound and pass.

I mean when ROnald Murray was making loads of points, did you see him in the efficiency rankings? No because he has minimal rebounds and assists.

WTF are you talking about Brad Miller being the best player? I never said anything about that. KG leads the league in efficiency rating coz of his 24.6ppg, 14.1 rpg and 5.1 apg. TD's next then Brad Miller with his double double average to go with almost 5 assists.

It's really funny how you didn't answer my other remarks and you went on ranting about the efficiency ranking. Just to clarify it again, I never said anything about the Efficiency ranking being the basis of being the greatest player. It only shows if you're versatile enough with the stats although KG's MVP type of numbers helped him become number 1.

Again, stop hating on K-Mart because he ate up your man 'Toine alive! I'm not mad at TD for outplaying Kmart during the finals. Man, you have some serious issues. You're resorting to personal attacks coz you can't bring stronger arguments.