Masoli not allowed to play till 2011

[Wheels]

Denied being able to play this year by NCAA

http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindducksbeat/2010/08/ncaa_denies_jeremiah_masolis_r.html

 

[Mediocre Man]

I wonder why?

He didn't break any rules by transfering, so there is no NCAA reason why he shouldn't be allowed to play?

 

[Wheels]

I'm guessing they arent happy with the loophole, and will soon be closing it. But I honestly have no idea.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

The NCAA rules with an iron fist.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Thank god the NCAA stepped in and shut down that loop hole. We sure as hell don't want players trying to graduate early and then work on getting their masters degree.

 

[Wheels]

lol. I would like to see Masoli get a Masters thats for sure.

 

[Mediocre Man]

The NCAA rules with an iron fist.

Apparently even against their own rules.

 

[Natebishop3]

Personally I think karma is a bitch. Dude fucked up and that's sad, but that's his fault.

 

[Wheels]

Personally I think karma is a bitch. Dude fucked up and that's sad, but that's his fault.

pretty much.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Personally I think karma is a bitch. Dude fucked up and that's sad, but that's his fault.

Agreed, but I want to read the NCAA's reason for denying him. According to their rules, he should have been able to do this

 

[The Sebastian Express]

http://espn.go.com/blog/pac10/post/_/id/12361/ncaa-statement-on-masolis-ineligibility

In its decision, the staff noted the student-athlete was unable to participate at the University of Oregon based on his dismissal from the team, which is contrary to the intent of the waiver. The waiver exists to provide relief to student-athletes who transfer for academic reasons to pursue graduate studies, not to avoid disciplinary measures at the previous university.

 

[Paxil]

Personally I think karma is a bitch. Dude fucked up and that's sad, but that's his fault.

How so? Did you read this article?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/ncaa/07/27/masoli/index.html

I am not saying you have to believe everything you read (though it is a reputable source)... but my personal take is that Masoli was not involved in the theft incident whatsoever, which is why he was suspended. If he wasn't involved... to me it seems like he got an amazingly bad break, one of which was certainly not karma biting his ass.

 

[Wheels]

Agreed, but I want to read the NCAA's reason for denying him. According to their rules, he should have been able to do this

so far.. no reason has been released.. to my knowledge at least

 

[chris_in_pdx]

I am not saying you have to believe everything you read (though it is a reputable source)... but my personal take is that Masoli was not involved in the theft incident whatsoever, which is why he was suspended. If he wasn't involved... to me it seems like he got an amazingly bad break, one of which was certainly not karma biting his ass.

Smoke..... Fire.

 

[Paxil]

Smoke..... Fire.

Not always. I read the whole article and to me his explanation makes more sense than trying to believe he was involved. There just isn't anything to support that. Even the kid who reported the incident can't say Masoli was involved... and plenty of other sources back up a version of events that show he wasn't involved.

 

[chris_in_pdx]

Not always. I read the whole article and to me his explanation makes more sense than trying to believe he was involved. There just isn't anything to support that. Even the kid who reported the incident can't say Masoli was involved... and plenty of other sources back up a version of events that show he wasn't involved.

So the incident with being pulled over with pot in the car is no big deal to you, either?

My original "Smoke.... Fire" stands. You aren't accused of multiple things unless you are AT THE VERY LEAST guilty of putting yourself in consistantly bad situations.

 

[Paxil]

So the incident with being pulled over with pot in the car is no big deal to you, either?

My original "Smoke.... Fire" stands. You aren't accused of multiple things unless you are AT THE VERY LEAST guilty of putting yourself in consistantly bad situations.

If that was the straw that broke the camel's back... and it turned out that all the other weight didn't exist, it would just be a straw. I don't think he is different than most college kids (except in his football ability), and certainly no different that the QB who is going to start for the Ducks this year. It was likely Thomas' pot in the glove box.

 

[chris_in_pdx]

If that was the straw that broke the camel's back... and it turned out that all the other weight didn't exist, it would just be a straw.

Problem is, it wasn't. Masoli had a history of bad decisions dating to before him becoming an Oregon student. Belotti and Kelly gave the kid a second chance to play for the Ducks. And he pissed that opportunity away by his continued bad choices.

I don't think he is different than most college kids (except in his football ability), and certainly no different that the QB who is going to start for the Ducks this year. It was likely Thomas' pot in the glove box.

I think that Kelly was privvy to information about the incident that you and I were not, and he chose to kick Masoli off the team permanently for it. That almost makes it a moot point whose pot it was. It was Masoli's car. End of story.

I think Masoli is getting exactly what he deserves by being made to sit out a year at Ole Miss. He transferred for the sole intention of avoiding Chip Kelly's punishment, and the NCAA saw right through that.

 

[Wheels]

best info I could find while not looking very hard. These are not my words.. it was from the comment section on O-Live

NCAA Bylaw 14.5.1.3 Disciplinary Suspension. A student who transfers to any NCAA institution from a collegiate institution while t...he student is disqualified or suspended from the previous institution for disciplinary reasons (as opposed to academic reasons) must complete one calendar year of residence at the certifying institution. (Revised: 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97)

TRANSFER EXCEPTIONS:
14.5.5.2 Exceptions for Transfers from Four-Year Colleges. A transfer student (other than one under disciplinary suspension per Bylaw 14.5.1.3) from a four-year collegiate institution is not subject to the residence requirement for intercollegiate competition.

GRAD STUDENT EXCEPTION:
14.1.9.1 One-Time Transfer Exception. A graduate student who is enrolled in a graduate or professional school of an institution other than the institution from which he or she previously received a baccalaureate degree may participate in intercollegiate athletics if the student fulfills the conditions of the one-time transfer exception set forth in Bylaw 14.5.5.2.10

So, essentially this says that a student who was suspended or kicked out of school for disciplinary reasons MUST sit out a season and has NO OPTION for an exception to this rule... that includes graduating early and entering as a grad student. (You will even note that the Grad Student exception refers to the exception list which, due to suspension for disciplinary reasons, Masoli does not meet.)

 

[Paxil]

I think that Kelly was privvy to information about the incident that you and I were not, and he chose to kick Masoli off the team permanently for it.

Masoli himself says he lied to Kelly about being there. I am sure that was a big strike against him... and then after Masoli gets a lawyer I am sure there is no communication between the two... then Masoli pleads guilty to the lessor crime to avoid any possiblility of jail time, and Kelly suspends him. All completely understandable... and amazingly unfortunate if in fact Masoli really didn't have anything to do with it.

 

[Mediocre Man]

best info I could find while not looking very hard. These are not my words.. it was from the comment section on O-Live

But he wasn't disqualified or suspened from the institution, he was disqualified or suspended from the team. To me, that means he should be able to play. I think Miss will win this appeal

 

[Wheels]

couldnt tell ya.. unless kicking him off the team involved removing his scholarship, and disqualifying him? I'm not too smart on this legal stuff lol.

 

[Mediocre Man]

couldnt tell ya.. unless kicking him off the team involved removing his scholarship, and disqualifying him? I'm not too smart on this legal stuff lol.

I asked someone in our legal department here at work, and they said the NCAA has no leg to stand on if that is the actual rule.

 

[Wheels]

I asked someone in our legal department here at work, and they said the NCAA has no leg to stand on if that is the actual rule.

cool thanks for that input. Helps when I get info from people who know wtf they are talking about lol.

 

[agoo]

I asked someone in our legal department here at work, and they said the NCAA has no leg to stand on if that is the actual rule.

That would be a shame as I think the NCAA finally did something right here. He's not going for academics as many others are saying. He left to escape punishment. He shouldn't be rewarded for that.

 

[Mediocre Man]

That would be a shame as I think the NCAA finally did something right here. He's not going for academics as many others are saying. He left to escape punishment. He shouldn't be rewarded for that.

Agreed, but he is following their rules. An old Trader Bob word comes to mind.....circumvention.

 

[THE HCP]

lol. I would like to see Masoli get a Masters thats for sure.

You want him to have a MASTER! RACIST!

 

[Wheels]

haha you know me... I hate Throwin Samoans!

 

[MrJayremmie]

The NCAA did the right thing. The transfer exception was only if they wanted to transfer to educational purposes. Masoli was suspended for the year and kicked off the team, then decided to transfer for educational purposes. The NCAA, in the spirit of their rule, was correct in saying that he should not be allowed to play this year. Masoli just looked for a college that offered these classes and used that as an excuse to try and play FB this year. He tried to get around the rule, and the NCAA saw that.

The rules are set, but every case is subject to the NCAA's judgment for cases like this when the spirit of the rule is broken.

He messed up. I'm not happy about it. But these are the consequences. I think the rulings are correct.

 

[ppilot]

The NCAA did the right thing. The transfer exception was only if they wanted to transfer to educational purposes. Masoli was suspended for the year and kicked off the team, then decided to transfer for educational purposes. The NCAA, in the spirit of their rule, was correct in saying that he should not be allowed to play this year. Masoli just looked for a college that offered these classes and used that as an excuse to try and play FB this year. He tried to get around the rule, and the NCAA saw that.

The rules are set, but every case is subject to the NCAA's judgment for cases like this when the spirit of the rule is broken.

He messed up. I'm not happy about it. But these are the consequences. I think the rulings are correct.

The problem for the NCAA is that they've actually allowed similar situations to go through in the past.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/andy_staples/09/02/masoli/index.html?eref=writers

Also, if the issue was so cut and dry why wait until four days until the season starts before making a decision? Because they don't want the affected team to have any time to appeal the ruling since they will be focusing on the season. Another reason why the NCAA is a complete joke of an organization.