OT Mass shooting at Highland Park, IL 4th of July parade

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Yep. The moms a wackjob

 

[MickZagger]

What a fucking psycho. Tucker needs to be taken off air.

The Q anon types eat that shit up

 

[YamTastic]

Well, I try do link a lot of sensational posts from a wide variety of topics. I'll try to be a little more cognizant of this if it is offensive or triggering to you.

That's nice of you, thanks.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Guys, guys - it's not the guns. It's the pushy dames:

Cucker Tarlson is a douche.

 

[Chris Craig]

I can't even imagine

 

[Chris Craig]

Guys, guys - it's not the guns. It's the pushy dames:

This POS shouldn't be on TV

 

[stampedehero]

That little weasel. What an Asshole. I hope he gets what HE deserves. In this case, Lifetime prison in a hard core facility, with the one hour he has outside bars, hiding and protecting himself from constantly pissed off thugs.

 

[crandc]

A number of right wing media figures have blamed protesters against white supremacist court taking away women's rights for the shooting.
Because the actual killer can't be to blame, had to be woman, gays, trans people, teaching biology, not having forced Christian prayer in school, music, video games, porn, cell phones and once again women.

 

[Phatguysrule]

A number of right wing media figures have blamed protesters against white supremacist court taking away women's rights for the shooting.
Because the actual killer can't be to blame, had to be woman, gays, trans people, teaching biology, not having forced Christian prayer in school, music, video games, porn, cell phones and once again women.

Anybody who supports these ideas (especially publicly) is human trash.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[Phatguysrule]

But no difference between those states when you expand it to violent crime or intentional homicides...

So the fewer guns don't actually appear to save any lives.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[Rastapopoulos]

But no difference between those states when you expand it to violent crime or intentional homicides...

So the fewer guns don't actually appear to save any lives.

Where are you getting your "facts"?

But anyway, even supposing you're right, there's no harm in getting rid of the guns by your data, because they're certainly not STOPPING any crime. Gun nuts can find another stupid hobby, or just jack off to pictures of guns.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

You may think you love your grandchildren, but do you love them enough to shoot them?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[Phatguysrule]

Where are you getting your "facts"?

I made a post with the data including charts here.

But anyway, even supposing you're right, there's no harm in getting rid of the guns by your data, because they're certainly not STOPPING any crime. Gun nuts can find another stupid hobby, or just jack off to pictures of guns.

Good guys with guns defend themselves and stop crimes thousands of times a year. They just don't get a month of news coverage and a Bloomberg financed march. And far more often than not nobody even gets hurt.

Obama pushed for a CDC study which actually appeared to confirm the higher end estimates of over 2 million defensive gun uses per year. Of course, this wasn't publicized, as it didn't fit the Dem narrative.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulhs...ked-about-defensive-gun-uses/?sh=606c8ea5299a

https://reason.com/2018/04/20/cdc-provides-more-evidence-that-plenty-o/

Remember that this includes everything from killing an assailant, down to simply brandishing a gun to dissuade a potential attacker.

The lowest end estimate, from an antigun group, is 70,000 a year. Which is still 5-7x our annual number of gun homicides.

 

[Sedatedfork]

You may think you love your grandchildren, but do you love them enough to shoot them?

I have watched this twice and I still don't understand how shooting her grandchildren as a last resort would protect them.

 

[Chris Craig]

You may think you love your grandchildren, but do you love them enough to shoot them?

WTF?

She'd shoot her own grandkids to protect their lives?

 

[Chris Craig]

Throw that fucker in jail.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Maybe try to get it down to Yemen levels?

 

[Phatguysrule]

Maybe try to get it down to Yemen levels?

Why? The data shows us that is among the least effecient and most expensive ways to prevent violent crime and murder...

You're coming at it from a perspective of "guns are bad" rather than "how do we most effectively and realistically solve this problem"

The data tells us going after guns doesn't work very well.

 

[Labinot41]

a good reminder to vote thoughts and prayers GOP/NRA the fuck out of the Office in November

 

[donkiez]

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[Rastapopoulos]

You're coming at it from a perspective of "guns are bad" rather than "how do we most effectively and realistically solve this problem"

Hmm... how do we solve the problem of so many people being killed by projectiles passing through their body at high velocity?

 

[Phatguysrule]

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And Canada has better access to education, healthcare (including mental health), and a far more generous social safety net.

All leading to a much better score on the gini index than America.

I keep posting the actual data, but people just want to resort to posting MAGA type political memes...

Targeting guns is the least effective, most expensive way to address gun violence in America.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Hmm... how do we solve the problem of so many people being killed by projectiles passing through their body at high velocity?

By having a better background check system that actually dives into the environment of which the gun buyer is in. Lifestyle, history. Etc.
Buying a gun should be much harder than it is.
With that said, if the mental illness and community/family culture here doesnt change it wont solve anything.
Instead of bullet projectiles you will have nail bomb projectiles. Etc etc etc.
It is not the guns. Its our family lifestyle and culture.
How many families have family babysit vs dropping kids off at a day care? Children have no ability to connect with family, develop loving and caring relationships for life anymore. Its a no win situation for them. Too many parents use games, internet and tv as babysitters without supervision. This is largely not the family culture of other countries. And the main difference between us and them.
Trying to get rid of guns is simply sweeping the bigger issue under the rug.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Hmm... how do we solve the problem of so many people being killed by projectiles passing through their body at high velocity?

Data shows that reducing the number of projectiles doesn't necessarily reduce the number of deaths or harm caused.

The goal should be to save the most lives.

I've shown how to do that the most cost effective and efficient way possible. And we wouldn't have to amend the constitution to do so. I'm not even arguing in opposition to amending the constitution, it's just not going to happen. It would take 38 states to agree, and 30 states have permitless open carry after 7 more approved it just this year.

You're arguing for a solution that has no political will, is the least effective and efficient solution, and would cost more than other available solutions while saving far fewer lives.

Arguing (against the data) to rob people of their rights is an incredibly fascist move, and I believe that costs democrats a lot of support.