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What he was saying was kids there are on screens just as much if not more than kids here. The difference is there are no guns there for the kids to actually use, therefore we aren't seeing these mass shootings there.

He's not arguing that kids being on screen all day is a good thing. I'm sure he would agree it's not.

Yes, kids spend time with their grandparents while their parents work there. But kids are still on screens there during that time. He said they are even on computers at school more than here.

If you gave the kids there access to guns, would their problems? You bet. No guns there.

I get what he was saying. What I'm saying is what those kids are doing with the screens and how that activity is monitored is vastly different from American culture.

Sigh… I am not sure how else to explain its not the tool, its how its used.
This can also be applied to guns.
How something is used is 100% on the mindset of the user and no fault of the tool itself.
 
I really enjoy how consistently EL PRESIDENTE will post shit from Twitter about some person doing crime possibly being trans. Every fucking time. It's always him. Really makes a person think.

He's moved on from is "aspy being aspy" routine.
 
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Sigh… I am not sure how else to explain its not the tool, its how its used
take away that tool and it won't be used at all....which is the whole point. If I don't have a gun, my inner rage will not manifest in shooting people ...people lose it all the time...that's where the mental health approach breaks down...people can go from being productive responsible citizens to being serial killers over a disgruntled work place or a political difference or racist thoughts, etc....takes about 5 minutes for a rational person to lose control and flip out. Rather that happened without access to guns and ammo than with guns and ammo. Somebody yesterday shot a stranger in their car for driving too slowly....he had a gun in his car...no gun...that stranger probably survives the road rage.
 
I get what he was saying. What I'm saying is what those kids are doing with the screens and how that activity is monitored is vastly different from American culture.

Sigh… I am not sure how else to explain its not the tool, its how its used.
This can also be applied to guns.
How something is used is 100% on the mindset of the user and no fault of the tool itself.

As in their government or parents don't allow them to look at certain things or have access to certain things online? I don't know about if they have restricted access there like say in China where you can only see what they want you to see.

At school sure they are on screens doing school stuff...some of them are sneaking in other stuff...come on.

Going there is bigger than it is here. All those violent games. Yet no guns.

Look, I don't disagree that kids being on video games or screens all day is a good thing. When I was a kid I was outside all the time till dark playing with friends more than half the time. We don't see enough if that now.

The way to fix this mass shooting bullshit is to take on multiple solutions. We aren't going to get rid of all guns. That's not happening. We can remove a number of them, we can stop people like this asshole from buying one, we can hold parents responsible for gun for improper gun storage, raise the age to purchase guns, etc.

We can crack down on sites with kids and young people sharing dangerous ideologies and hate.

Alot of kids are learning that shit from their parents, and that's another issue, but many are going online and getting sucked into this bullshit.

I get that is part of what you are talking about, but again we have to come at it from all angles. We can't just say guns aren't the problem. They are part of the problem, a big part.
 
take away that tool and it won't be used at all....which is the whole point. If I don't have a gun, my inner rage will not manifest in shooting people ...people lose it all the time...that's where the mental health approach breaks down...people can go from being productive responsible citizens to being serial killers over a disgruntled work place or a political difference or racist thoughts, etc....takes about 5 minutes for a rational person to lose control and flip out. Rather that happened without access to guns and ammo than with guns and ammo. Somebody yesterday shot a stranger in their car for driving too slowly....he had a gun in his car...no gun...that stranger probably survives the road rage.

And my point is taking away the tool does not fix the mindset of those not using the tools correctly. Another tool will just be found to be used incorrectly.
However, if we fix the mindset of the youth, then they will by and large use the tools correctly, reducing such atrocities but also helping to improve many other facets.
 
And my point is taking away the tool does not fix the mindset of those not using the tools correctly. Another tool will just be found to be used incorrectly.
However, if we fix the mindset of the youth, then they will by and large use the tools correctly, reducing such atrocities but also helping to improve many other facets.
taking away the weapon saves lives....other social services for depression, bipolar tendencies, etc will still need attention but they won't be able to shoot people if they don't have guns
 
I really enjoy how consistently EL PRESIDENTE will post shit from Twitter about some person doing crime possibly being trans. Every fucking time. It's always him. Really makes a person think.

link?

You said consistently, please find 2 other examples.

This is just what happened in this case.
 
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He's moved on from is "aspy being aspy" routine.

I wouldn't be surprised in this case. There seems to be quite a bit of overlap with autism and the incel community.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8990964/

Through the media we are often made aware of the mental health of individuals who have engaged in high profile acts of either mass violence or inexplicable acts of violence toward others (1, 2). Mental disorders such as schizophrenia and mood disorders are often cited as increasing the risk of unlawful behavior, although it is also recognized that this increased risk is modest (3, 4). More recent studies have also investigated mental disorders among people who have engaged in violence in the context of holding extremist beliefs. These indicate that among violent extremists between 10 and 17% have one or more mental disorders, with a range of psychiatric diagnoses represented, with mood disorder and schizophrenia the most frequent (5, 6). In recent years, the media has drawn attention to perpetrators who have been formally diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder (ASD) (2). Examples include the Toronto Van Attack and the Sandy Hook shootings, where, in both instances, the perpetrator had an established diagnosis of ASD. Similarly, among those who are drawn to extremist ideologies or outgroup affiliations, such as incels (involuntary celibates) (7), we are aware that a significant minority either have ASD or self-identify with this label (8). The perpetrator of the Toronto Van Attack is one such individual. Other examples do exist in the literature in which an ASD diagnosis is suggested (9, 10), but such highly-speculative cases will not be discussed further, particularly given the lack of formal diagnosis and other inherent biases in the approach taken (11).

It is important to understand the nature of any apparent relationship between diagnosis and behavior in such instances given that it may reflect aspects of vulnerability that characterize ASD and that may be amenable to intervention. Moreover, given that ASD as currently conceptualized has evolved into a relatively prevalent condition [more than 1:54 people, and with a year-on-year rise in prevalence of nearly 10%, (12)] it is increasingly important to understand the nature of this risk, including its implication for forensic mental health services and the criminal justice system. We set out to critically examine the evidence base concerning the relationship between ASD and acts of violence that are mediated by extremist beliefs. The relationship is, of course, complex, but, as discussed subsequently, red flags can be identified and, as such, it is crucial for mental health and criminal justice professionals to be alert to the possibility of ASD and its potential relevance.
 
As in their government or parents don't allow them to look at certain things or have access to certain things online? I don't know about if they have restricted access there like say in China where you can only see what they want you to see.

At school sure they are on screens doing school stuff...some of them are sneaking in other stuff...come on.

Going there is bigger than it is here. All those violent games. Yet no guns.

Look, I don't disagree that kids being on video games or screens all day is a good thing. When I was a kid I was outside all the time till dark playing with friends more than half the time. We don't see enough if that now.

The way to fix this mass shooting bullshit is to take on multiple solutions. We aren't going to get rid of all guns. That's not happening. We can remove a number of them, we can stop people like this asshole from buying one, we can hold parents responsible for gun for improper gun storage, raise the age to purchase guns, etc.

We can crack down on sites with kids and young people sharing dangerous ideologies and hate.

Alot of kids are learning that shit from their parents, and that's another issue, but many are going online and getting sucked into this bullshit.

I get that is part of what you are talking about, but again we have to come at it from all angles. We can't just say guns aren't the problem. They are part of the problem, a big part.

China is government controlled, not parent controlled. Completely different.
Its not just about the games, screens, pads, etc. its the lack of supervision and guidance the average child gets. Its the average explanation/ education provided to the children regarding what they are seeing/doing on these screens.
See my original two posts in this thread.
 
I'd just like to point out that UK saw homicide rates increase after their expanded gun control in the 90s... Brazil saw the same thing after their gun control in the 2000s.

The US saw reduced violent crime and murder rates equivalent to Australia after the 90s. This is the same time frame the UK and Australia enacted sweeping gun control, and over this time frame the US doubled the number of guns and increased access to guns, and let the "assault weapons ban" expire, while again, seeing better results than the UK and Brazil, and very similar results to Australia...

taking away the weapon saves lives....other social services for depression, bipolar tendencies, etc will still need attention but they won't be able to shoot people if they don't have guns

Is that so?

Read above please.
 
China is government controlled, not parent controlled. Completely different.
Its not just about the games, screens, pads, etc. its the lack of supervision and guidance the average child gets. Its the average explanation/ education provided to the children regarding what they are seeing/doing on these screens.
See my original two posts in this thread.

I don't think there is much more supervision or guidance there than there is here parental wise. The only guidance and supervision is to make sure they get their school work done. The kids get to do what they want outside that.
 
Is that so?

Read above please.
I don't read NRA articles about guns...the country is filled with them there are magazines and organizations who've spent billions telling us how guns save lives...bunch of bullshit from my view......what you need to read about is how countries without guns have zero mass killings and fewer nutjobs acting out their rage on innocent civilians. You are not going to have a therapist intervene or a pharmacist correct the chemical imbalance in a bipolar person before they can shoot someone....doesn't mean they don't need the drugs or therapy...means what they don't need is a fucking gun and yes...I understand in America my opinion on guns is in the vast minority..but it needs to be voiced ..choices
 
I don't think there is much more supervision or guidance there than there is here parental wise. The only guidance and supervision is to make sure they get their school work done. The kids get to do what they want outside that.
I tend to disagree. Ill look up a specific show to show you, for example, what Japanese do with their young and how responsibility and problem solving is taught to kids before they even get to school. I don't know the name of the show and have to research it, but it is awesome.

I don't read NRA articles about guns...the country is filled with them there are magazines and organizations who've spent billions telling us how guns save lives...bunch of bullshit from my view......what you need to read about is how countries without guns have zero mass killings and fewer nutjobs acting out their rage on innocent civilians. You are not going to have a therapist intervene or a pharmacist correct the chemical imbalance in a bipolar person before they can shoot someone....doesn't mean they don't need the drugs or therapy...means what they don't need is a fucking gun and yes...I understand in America my opinion on guns is in the vast minority..but it needs to be voiced ..choices

I asked you to read another persons post. Not an nra article. but you Are welcome to your selective information to provide a selective stance without raking in all the facts and angles.

Quick suggestion. Try reading articles printed by entities you disagree with. It will likely expand your opinion as more informed, but also solidify the details of why you object to things and likely provide more info for you to back your stance.
But when cited with something and the response is, i wont click on it, it invalidates everything else said. Not only that but i was referring to the post. Not an nra article.
Anyhow impasse is correct. There is no debate to be had with people who only read articles they agree with and refuse to read what is being provided as a counter debate.
 
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I tend to disagree. Ill look up a specific show to show you, for example, what Japanese do with their young and how responsibility and problem solving is taught to kids before they even get to school. I don't know the name of the show and have to research it, but it is awesome.



I asked you to read another persons post. Not an nra article. but you Are welcome to your selective information to provide a selective stance without raking in all the facts and angles.

Quick suggestion. Try reading articles printed by entities you disagree with. It will likely expand your opinion as more informed, but also solidify the details of why you object to things and likely provide more info for you to back your stance.
But when cited with something and the response is, i wont click on it, it invalidates everything else said. Not only that but i was referring to the post. Not an nra article.
Anyhow impasse is correct. There is no debate to be had with people who only read articles they agree with and refuse to read what is being provided as a counter debate.
I'm a gun owner...a war vet and a person who's raised children, been a teacher of children and a responsible parent..I've grown up with people who are card carrying NRA members...I've heard all the justifications you think you've learned from and drawn my conclusions over 68 years of living....I formed my convictions from my own life and observations which clearly you are not versed in such things as foreign education and living in a society without guns so one of us is speculating from one specific culture and guessing about the others....the other is not. Choices...I taught my children responsibility before they entered school....I've taught a lot of young people and taught college in Asia for 6 years as well as public school in Hawaii and Oregon ......you can learn from people who have walked a longer path or doubt the sincerity of their convictions...form your own conclusions but try to see the other side you seem to be avoiding. As it is you can have your guns so you should be happy....the rest of this is just the same old laundry that keeps the arms race wealthy and preaches the security of being armed as opposed to the safety of not needing to be armed.
 
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I'm a gun owner...a war vet and a person who's raised children, been a teacher of children and a responsible parent..I've grown up with people who are card carrying NRA members...I've heard all the justifications you think you've learned from and drawn my conclusions over 68 years of living....I formed my convictions from my own life and observations which clearly you are not versed in such things as foreign education and living in a society without guns so one of us is speculating from one specific culture and guessing about the others....the other is not. Choices...I taught my children responsibility before they entered school....I've taught a lot of young people and taught college in Asia for 6 years as well as public school in Hawaii and Oregon ......you can learn from people who have walked a longer path or doubt the sincerity of their convictions...form your own conclusions but try to see the other side you seem to be avoiding. As it is you can have your guns so you should be happy....the rest of this is just the same old laundry that keeps the arms race wealthy and preaches the security of being armed as opposed to the safety of not needing to be armed.

But see thats what some of us have been saying is that people screaming its republicans and guns are avoiding all the other facets and facts.
The avoidance street goes both ways sir. But at this point we are just spinning circles around that street.
I stated my opinions and provided examples and stats that helped to form my opinion. I cant control how you or others perceive/receive that info, but if you think my posting it is out of avoidance… well…
You are entitled to your opinion.
 
I'm a gun owner...a war vet and a person who's raised children, been a teacher of children and a responsible parent..I've grown up with people who are card carrying NRA members...I've heard all the justifications you think you've learned from and drawn my conclusions over 68 years of living....I formed my convictions from my own life and observations which clearly you are not versed in such things as foreign education and living in a society without guns so one of us is speculating from one specific culture and guessing about the others....the other is not. Choices...I taught my children responsibility before they entered school....I've taught a lot of young people and taught college in Asia for 6 years as well as public school in Hawaii and Oregon ......you can learn from people who have walked a longer path or doubt the sincerity of their convictions...form your own conclusions but try to see the other side you seem to be avoiding. As it is you can have your guns so you should be happy....the rest of this is just the same old laundry that keeps the arms race wealthy and preaches the security of being armed as opposed to the safety of not needing to be armed.

When was your last year spent in Taiwan living there? If over a decade than your experience begins to lessen in the current state.
I lived in some places 20 plus years ago but would never claim to know how it currently sits because times, people, environments and policies change.
If your last stint in Taiwan was within the last decade then i would absolutely attribute more weight to your opinion.
When were you last living in Taiwan?
 
Just so i have it clear: Controlling guns and making new laws are not realistic and too major of an undertaking so instead let’s change the parenting habits of a hundred million parents and also regulate what internet / online content kids see.
 
When was your last year spent in Taiwan living there? If over a decade than your experience begins to lessen in the current state.
I lived in some places 20 plus years ago but would never claim to know how it currently sits because times, people, environments and policies change.
If your last stint in Taiwan was within the last decade then i would absolutely attribute more weight to your opinion.
When were you last living in Taiwan?
I moved there in 1981 and came home in 2001 but have gone back ..last time I spent 8 months teaching Jr High in Taipei when SARS happened in 2003.....my wife and son go back all the time.my wife's brothers and family skype with her all the time...we've never lost touch with what goes on there..we follow the news there and have a huge family there that has never left....how about you? You know a lot about Taiwan? I talk with our family there all the time....I've also travelled China, Thailand, Korea, Vietnam, Phillipines, Malaysia, Indonesia, India and Singapore, Okinawa and Japan.....I'm married to a Taiwanese lady who became a citizen here in 2005....you don't need to attribute weight to my experiences..
I spent 20 years over there not counting my Navy travels in the early 70s. from the time I lived there until today the gun laws have remained the same and they still have no mass shootings today. My inlaws also come to visit here at times and they know what's going on
 
I moved there in 1981 and came home in 2001 but have gone back ..last time I spent 8 months teaching Jr High in Taipei when SARS happened in 2003.....my wife and son go back all the time.my wife's brothers and family skype with her all the time...we've never lost touch with what goes on there..we follow the news there and have a huge family there that has never left....how about you? You know a lot about Taiwan? I talk with our family there all the time....I've also travelled China, Thailand, Korea, Vietnam, Phillipines, Malaysia, Indonesia, India and Singapore, Okinawa and Japan.....I'm married to a Taiwanese lady who became a citizen here in 2005....you don't need to attribute weight to my experiences..
I spent 20 years over there not counting my Navy travels in the early 70s. from the time I lived there until today the gun laws have remained the same and they still have no mass shootings today. My inlaws also come to visit here at times and they know what's going on

Understood. Its more so about cultural changes regarding technology that I am thinking has changed dramatically over the last 20 years. Not guns.
Thanks for the detailed history though. Very interesting!
 
Understood. Its more so about cultural changes regarding technology that I am thinking has changed dramatically over the last 20 years. Not guns.
Thanks for the detailed history though. Very interesting!

If you are talking about Taiwan, Riverman who knows the culture there is telling you differently. Guns haven't changed there. Kids still can't get them there.

If you are talking about here, yes technology has caused changes. When I was a kid game systems were just becoming big, computers in the home were still in the infant state. There was no playing online with friends then.

Video games and computers are far more accessible now. Streaming, YouTube, etc has more things for us to watch than ever. The internet has evolved.

It's easy to say the answer is to make parents watch what their kids are doing and restrict their kids from watching or playing certain games or going to certain places online. Parents should be doing that by the way, but there is no way to make sure all the millions of parents do that. That's more impossible than getting rid of some guns.

Restricting access to guns for young people, holding parents responsible for their gun storage, and cracking down on hateful websites that are espousing these terrible ideologies is a good start.
 
The gun store clerk who sold this freak a gun should be charged with a crime or sued, even though he did pass the "universal background check".

They need to allow for the discretion of the seller to deny selling a gun because the buyer..... just looks like a school shooter. I mean, come the fuck on.

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If you are talking about Taiwan, Riverman who knows the culture there is telling you differently. Guns haven't changed there. Kids still can't get them there.

If you are talking about here, yes technology has caused changes. When I was a kid game systems were just becoming big, computers in the home were still in the infant state. There was no playing online with friends then.

Video games and computers are far more accessible now. Streaming, YouTube, etc has more things for us to watch than ever. The internet has evolved.

It's easy to say the answer is to make parents watch what their kids are doing and restrict their kids from watching or playing certain games or going to certain places online. Parents should be doing that by the way, but there is no way to make sure all the millions of parents do that. That's more impossible than getting rid of some guns.

Restricting access to guns for young people, holding parents responsible for their gun storage, and cracking down on hateful websites that are espousing these terrible ideologies is a good start.

I am speaking of both here and there and how by and large technology is monitored and used by youth much differently than here. Monitored by parents mostly.
There is a major difference in early childhood education of our country compared to most others. Everything from daycare to careless parents who use technology as a babysitter.
 
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