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Hello,

I am not sure what your point is. Would you mind clarifying please?
Guns are everywhere too.
Are you saying that because the internet is everywhere, its impossible for parents to keep it from their children on a more regular basis?
“Instant everything and social media and their platforms overload is what is causing these.
What has changed is how we communicate. Forums, texts, news from google headlines, etc.
THIS is the elephant in the room no one wants to tackle.”

What is americas excuse? I am missing something. The quote above doesn’t explain the shit show in our country. Because all of that is everywhere.
 
I don't know for sure, but I bet we crush them in children under 15 owning phones too. I also bet we crush them in amount of time children under 15 spend isolated in bedrooms vs doing family function events in the evenings, etc.
And average hours of television viewing a week. I bet we crush them on that too for children under 15.
Guns are part of the problem, but the foundation is our cultural behavior. No gun law or restriction is going to change this, until we change our family and community behavioral patterns. Seems those who just blame guns and republicans are the ones not wanting to address the real issues.

“Instant everything and social media and their platforms overload is what is causing these.
What has changed is how we communicate. Forums, texts, news from google headlines, etc.
THIS is the elephant in the room no one wants to tackle.”

What is americas excuse? I am missing something. The quote above doesn’t explain the shit show in our country. Because all of that is everywhere.

Read above. Im pretty sure it is what they are used for and how often the phone and internet is used. As well as the parental aspect, or lack of…
 
Sounds like someone who needs to go to general pop and meet a boyfriend and gets raped a few times then beaten to near death. Not dead though. Close to it. Then back to gen pop and gets a new boyfriend. Over and over.
I know men who have boyfriends. Don't conflate gay men with rape.
He deserves to rot in prison.
Rape is never acceptable.
 
On average, children ages 8-12 in the United States spend 4-6 hours a day watching or using screens, and teens spend up to 9 hours. While screens can entertain, teach, and keep children occupied, too much use may lead to problems.


https://www.statista.com/statistics/397833/hours-of-media-consumption-by-children-by-media-uk/

13 hours a week for the UK.
If anyone is missing this extreme disparity with our youth… I am not sure what to say. And I'm pretty sure this is across the technological board.
To dismiss this and some other aspects of our youths’ cultural behavioral patterns, is simply putting ones head in the sand.
To point the finger at republicans over guns is not addressing the foundation of the problem, disingenuous and generally just a copout for not wanting to address the larger internal issues of our youth.
 
On average, children ages 8-12 in the United States spend 4-6 hours a day watching or using screens, and teens spend up to 9 hours. While screens can entertain, teach, and keep children occupied, too much use may lead to problems.


https://www.statista.com/statistics/397833/hours-of-media-consumption-by-children-by-media-uk/

13 hours a week for the UK.
If anyone is missing this extreme disparity with our youth… I am not sure what to say. And I'm pretty sure this is across the technological board.
To dismiss this and some other aspects of our youths’ cultural behavioral patterns, is simply putting ones head in the sand.
To point the finger at republicans over guns is not addressing the foundation of the problem, disingenuous and generally just a copout for not wanting to address the larger internal issues of our youth.
This is some next-level obfuscation. I guess doors didn't really stick so now it's screens? You know one other thing that America is super-exceptional for, that MIGHT be relevant to mass gun death?
 
@Phatguysrule how does it feel to have the same opinions on guns as this person?
I do find it interesting that you make a post like this just because you disagree with me. While I advocate for data backed solutions which are less politically charged, and thereby more likely to be acceptable to both sides.

It seems like somebody who really cared about helping in this situation would be all about actually getting something done. But I guess a lot of people just like "Team Politics" and aren't happy unless they are attacking somebody...
 
This is some next-level obfuscation. I guess doors didn't really stick so now it's screens? You know one other thing that America is super-exceptional for, that MIGHT be relevant to mass gun death?
Yet we can't find any evidence of gun control actually resulting in lowering violent crime or murder rates... And even if we could, could never get rid of guns.

At some point you'd think people would get tired of beating their heads against the wall and start focusing on things that can actually make a difference...
 
This is some next-level obfuscation. I guess doors didn't really stick so now it's screens? You know one other thing that America is super-exceptional for, that MIGHT be relevant to mass gun death?
Hello,
I do not follow. Care to address the link and info that i posted in more detail to clarify your point of this post? Doors and Screens? Huh?
To answer your question though, Americans are exceptional at deflecting and not taking responsibility. Your post seems to validate this.
 
Yet we can't find any evidence of gun control actually resulting in lowering violent crime or murder rates... And even if we could, could never get rid of guns.

At some point you'd think people would get tired of beating their heads against the wall and start focusing on things that can actually make a difference...

Definition of trying to make the issue a singular problem and putting ones head in the sand and saying, “we are fine! Its the guns!”…
… When we are clearly not fine at all.
 
Hello,
I do not follow. Care to address the link and info that i posted in more detail to clarify your point of this post? Doors and Screens? Huh?
To answer your question though, Americans are exceptional at deflecting and not taking responsibility. Your post seems to validate this.
Rasta is British I believe
 
Rasta is British I believe

Hello,

But lives in the states or lives in England?

If England, then I would think the view of American culture is skewed, just like our views of other cultures is skewed.
If one hasn't lived it, I doubt one has an informed and accurate assessment, making the post even less valid.
I have read you spent many years overseas in Korea? Or was it Vietnam?
Do you think living there expanded your knowledge and understanding of their culture? And do you think you would be qualified to discuss their cultural issues if not having had lived there?
 
But lives in the states or lives in England?

If England, then I would think the view of American culture is skewed, just like our views of other cultures is skewed.
If one hasn't lived it, I doubt one has an informed and accurate assessment, making the post even less valid.
I have read you spent many years overseas in Korea? Or was it Vietnam?
Do you think living there expanded your knowledge and understanding of their culture? And do you think you would be qualified to discuss their cultural issues if not having had lived there?
Rasta lives here but that has nothing to do with perspective about such things....I've lived for a long stretch in Taiwan (20 years)where they have gun laws banning private ownership and England has only manually chambered sporting guns allowed....an unarmed population is safer. Rasta has lived in both as have I......people who haven't don't understand the comparisons sometimes and people with world knowledge also have valid opinions...I am a Viet nam veteran but I've spent 20 years living in asia, mostly Taiwan and speak the language...yes I know about asian culture and have family in both countries. Of course living there expands your knowledge of their culture.my wife is Taiwanese and now an american citizen...she's been in America as long as I was in Taiwan...we can both speak about politics and cultural differences coming from experience...she knows what America is like just like any other citizen..not getting your point.
 
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lives here but that has nothing to do with perspective about such things....I've lived for a long stretch in Taiwan where they have gun laws banning private ownership and England has on manually chambered sporting guns allowed....an unarmed population is safer and it's not up for debate. Rasta has lived in both as have I......people who haven't don't understand the comparisons sometimes and people with world knowledge also have valid opinions

Hello, not sure if you read my whole post?
We basically said the same thing. I was asking not stating. :)
 
lives here but that has nothing to do with perspective about such things....I've lived for a long stretch in Taiwan where they have gun laws banning private ownership and England has on manually chambered sporting guns allowed....an unarmed population is safer and it's not up for debate. Rasta has lived in both as have I......people who haven't don't understand the comparisons sometimes and people with world knowledge also have valid opinions...I am a Viet nam veteran but I've spent 20 years living in asia, mostly Taiwan and speak the language...yes I know about asian culture and have family in both countries. Of course living there expands your knowledge of their culture...not getting your point

So in Taiwan, what is the average time youth spends on a phone or on a screen a day? And the purpose of the time spent?

I bet it is much much less than America and included much more entertainment activities vs scholarly studies.

Do you think that this difference of how our youth interact and their behaviors regarding how they use the internet, social media and screens has had any impact on the psyche of our youth?
 
So in Taiwan, what is the average time youth spends on a phone or on a screen a day? And the purpose of the time spent?

I bet it is much much less than America and included much more entertainment activities vs scholarly studies.

Do you think that this difference of how our youth interact and their behaviors regarding how they use the internet, social media and screens has had any impact on the psyche of our youth?
you're kidding right? Taiwan is probably the most computer literate and screen addicted nation in the world.....they are gamers just like kids here but mom and dad don't have guns they can take out and shoot up the school with...big difference....my son went to public school there and public school here. He's a gamer. I personally think games that train young kids to kill and acquire weapons to win do have an impact on society but in a country like ours....a troubled kid can access the real thing...in Taiwan they cannot or it is almost impossible to attain a gun and ammunition....here you can collect them like baseball cards.
 
you're kidding right? Taiwan is probably the most computer literate and screen addicted nation in the world.....they are gamers just like kids here but mom and dad don't have guns they can take out and shoot up the school with...big difference....my son went to public school there and public school here. He's a gamer. I personally think games that train young kids to kill and acquire weapons to win do have an impact on society but in a country like ours....a troubled kid can access the real thing...in Taiwan they cannot or it is almost impossible to attain a gun and ammunition....here you can collect them like baseball cards.

Hello,

No I am not kidding, that is why I asked?

This report states the time Taiwanese youth spend online social media isn't close to our youth as outlined in a link in an earlier post until Covid hit.

https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2019/07/11/2003718487

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3564153

This post shows the history of the cell phone. I find it more than coincidence its mass usage started around the same time as the increase in mass shootings, teen depression and suicides, etc.

https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2012/jan/24/smartphones-timeline
 
Rasta lives here but that has nothing to do with perspective about such things....I've lived for a long stretch in Taiwan (20 years)where they have gun laws banning private ownership and England has only manually chambered sporting guns allowed....an unarmed population is safer. Rasta has lived in both as have I......people who haven't don't understand the comparisons sometimes and people with world knowledge also have valid opinions...I am a Viet nam veteran but I've spent 20 years living in asia, mostly Taiwan and speak the language...yes I know about asian culture and have family in both countries. Of course living there expands your knowledge of their culture.my wife is Taiwanese and now an american citizen...she's been in America as long as I was in Taiwan...we can both speak about politics and cultural differences coming from experience...she knows what America is like just like any other citizen..not getting your point.
I'd just like to point out that UK saw homicide rates increase after their expanded gun control in the 90s... Brazil saw the same thing after their gun control in the 2000s.

The US saw reduced violent crime and murder rates equivalent to Australia after the 90s. This is the same time frame the UK and Australia enacted sweeping gun control, and over this time frame the US doubled the number of guns and increased access to guns, and let the "assault weapons ban" expire, while again, seeing better results than the UK and Brazil, and very similar results to Australia...
 
@riverman

https://www.statista.com/statistics/319861/taiwan-crime-rate/


…However, it should be kept in mind that the definition of crime, the willingness to report crimes, and accounting measures may vary in different countries.

Most common crimes in Taiwan
Considering different types of crimes committed in Taiwan, excluding offenses against public safety, the most common crimes were drug and theft related. In contrast, the number of cases of murder and manslaughter were relatively low and comparable to other Asia Pacific countriessuch as Australia, New Zealand, and Hong Kong.”

https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ1084885.pdf


The link above shows how many hours a week a parent will spend with their child. Far exceeds Americans.

These are some of the foundational differences
Between American culture and Taiwanese culture. This difference is what i believe to be the largest contributor to the mental state of our youth. Our children are by and large neglected by parents, compared to most other countries’ cultures.

I dont see this as debatable. It continually blows my mind that these things are simply dismissed over and over and the only issue most see are the amount of guns around. This, to me, is just throwing the blinders on and pointing the finger at what is perceived as a “simple solution’ to ban guns when it will not solve the core, fundamental issues we have.

There are larger problems in much more need of fixing that will, in the end, also help decrease mass shootings. However if we do not address these core cultural behavioral patterns, it will not help stabilize the minds of our youth.
 
Hello,

But lives in the states or lives in England?

If England, then I would think the view of American culture is skewed, just like our views of other cultures is skewed.
If one hasn't lived it, I doubt one has an informed and accurate assessment, making the post even less valid.
I have read you spent many years overseas in Korea? Or was it Vietnam?
Do you think living there expanded your knowledge and understanding of their culture? And do you think you would be qualified to discuss their cultural issues if not having had lived there?
I hold dual citizenship and have lived in the States for more than 30 years.

It's the fucking guns. Yes, everybody is fucked up, and perhaps the US more than most, but if we got rid of the guns but kept the screens I fucking guarantee you the rate of homicide would plummet. If we did the reverse I doubt it would change at all. Do you even think that the US has the "worst" "screen time" in the world? Check South Korea. Check Japan. Then look at their homicide rates.

What is the fucking problem with getting rid of fucking guns? You think they work for self-defense? They don't. You think they're going to protect you from the government? Unless you have a small tactical nuclear weapon, the government can take you out however many guns you have. Did you not follow Waco?

Jesus.
 
Hello,

No I am not kidding, that is why I asked?

This report states the time Taiwanese youth spend online social media isn't close to our youth as outlined in a link in an earlier post until Covid hit.

https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2019/07/11/2003718487

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3564153

This post shows the history of the cell phone. I find it more than coincidence its mass usage started around the same time as the increase in mass shootings, teen depression and suicides, etc.

https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2012/jan/24/smartphones-timeline
Taiwanese spend 6 days a week in school and have tutors in the evenings after school so school is more important there but they are every bit as involved in screen use even in school. In Taiwan you need to pass a college entrance exam in high school to get higher education and there's a quota so parents put kids in cram schools to prepare to pass that test...that's a big pressure that kids here don't have. Education is way more part of their lives than here..but that education involves computers more than our education here as well. Taipei Times is run by mostly expat americans , just so you know, it's the local paper printed in english there....if you read the Chinese papers, it's a bit different.
 
@riverman

https://www.statista.com/statistics/319861/taiwan-crime-rate/


…However, it should be kept in mind that the definition of crime, the willingness to report crimes, and accounting measures may vary in different countries.

Most common crimes in Taiwan
Considering different types of crimes committed in Taiwan, excluding offenses against public safety, the most common crimes were drug and theft related. In contrast, the number of cases of murder and manslaughter were relatively low and comparable to other Asia Pacific countriessuch as Australia, New Zealand, and Hong Kong.”

https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ1084885.pdf


The link above shows how many hours a week a parent will spend with their child. Far exceeds Americans.

These are some of the foundational differences
Between American culture and Taiwanese culture. This difference is what i believe to be the largest contributor to the mental state of our youth. Our children are by and large neglected by parents, compared to most other countries’ cultures.

I dont see this as debatable. It continually blows my mind that these things are simply dismissed over and over and the only issue most see are the amount of guns around. This, to me, is just throwing the blinders on and pointing the finger at what is perceived as a “simple solution’ to ban guns when it will not solve the core, fundamental issues we have.

There are larger problems in much more need of fixing that will, in the end, also help decrease mass shootings. However if we do not address these core cultural behavioral patterns, it will not help stabilize the minds of our youth.
actually the time spent with kids is not with parents...it's with grandparents...parents work long hard hours and grandparents mostly raise the kids and pick them up from school or take them to school, etc...you can ask me anything about Taiwan...I watch taiwan news daily...I don't need you to cut and paste articles about it for me...I'm sure you find it interesting but I lived and worked there and raised a child there....have nieces and nephews there, etc...so I know Taiwan. What they don't have there are guns.
 
I hold dual citizenship and have lived in the States for more than 30 years.

It's the fucking guns. Yes, everybody is fucked up, and perhaps the US more than most, but if we got rid of the guns but kept the screens I fucking guarantee you the rate of homicide would plummet. If we did the reverse I doubt it would change at all. Do you even think that the US has the "worst" "screen time" in the world? Check South Korea. Check Japan. Then look at their homicide rates.

What is the fucking problem with getting rid of fucking guns? You think they work for self-defense? They don't. You think they're going to protect you from the government? Unless you have a small tactical nuclear weapon, the government can take you out however many guns you have. Did you not follow Waco?

Jesus.

Taiwanese spend 6 days a week in school and have tutors in the evenings after school so school is more important there but they are every bit as involved in screen use even in school. In Taiwan you need to pass a college entrance exam in high school to get higher education and there's a quota so parents put kids in cram schools to prepare to pass that test...that's a big pressure that kids here don't have. Education is way more part of their lives than here..but that education involves computers more than our education here as well. Taipei Times is run by mostly expat americans , just so you know, it's the local paper printed in english there....if you read the Chinese papers, it's a bit different.

Again its how it is used and the parental supervision/involvement other cultures have with their kids compared to us.

We shall have to agree to disagree. I fully believe if we got back to community level communication and removed the pads, etc the mental stability of our youth would increase significantly.
If we held parents as accountable for their children's common sense education as we do guns, we would all be much better off.
 
actually the time spent with kids is not with parents...it's with grandparents...parents work long hard hours and grandparents mostly raise the kids and pick them up from school or take them to school, etc...you can ask me anything about Taiwan...I watch taiwan news daily...I don't need you to cut and paste articles about it for me...I'm sure you find it interesting but I lived and worked there and raised a child there....have nieces and nephews there, etc...so I know Taiwan. What they don't have there are guns.

Semantics. Its family.
 
Again its bow it is used and the parental supervision/involvement other cultures have with their kids compared to us.

We shall have to agree to disagree. I fully believe if we got back to community level communication and removed the pads, etc the mental stability of our youth would increase significantly.
If we held parents as accountable for their children's common sense education as we do guns, we would all be much better off.
So I guess you don't give a shit about all the gun fatalities that can't even remotely be blamed on child-rearing?
 
I'd just like to point out that UK saw homicide rates increase after their expanded gun control in the 90s... Brazil saw the same thing after their gun control in the 2000s.

The US saw reduced violent crime and murder rates equivalent to Australia after the 90s. This is the same time frame the UK and Australia enacted sweeping gun control, and over this time frame the US doubled the number of guns and increased access to guns, and let the "assault weapons ban" expire, while again, seeing better results than the UK and Brazil, and very similar results to Australia...
show me how many mass shootings of innocents compare especially children in schools in those countries.....homicide is often linked to organized crime ...that's not a fair comparison to mass shootings in movie theatres hospitals, churches and schools....the IRA was at war with England so they had an armed resistance that also contributed to homicides just like our organized crime here. that's always been around. You're not selling me on guns lowering murderrates though...they don't.
 
Semantics. Its family.
it's not semantics...it's culture...you asked about understanding culture....I explained part of it...you don't have to understand it if you don't wish to. I understand it from decades of living there
 

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