OT Mass shooting at Highland Park, IL 4th of July parade

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Instant everything and social media and their platforms overload is what is causing these.
What has changed is how we communicate. Forums, texts, news from google headlines, etc.
THIS is the elephant in the room no one wants to tackle. Kids running around with phones and the craziness they have access to. This is what has changed over the last two decades. Not guns, and not politics. Blaming this on a party is a shortsighted and short minded copout for what is readily evident and apparent in every day life compared to that of the pre 90’s… if we only take the political blunders off and see things for what they are in every day life and the behaviors of the average individual.

Said and pathetic.

Too many people want a resolution to this increased madness but cant see past their political viewpoint to understand this is not a party issue. This is a community and cultural issue.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Instant everything and social media and their platforms overload is what is causing these.
What has changed is how we communicate. Forums, texts, news from google headlines, etc.
THIS is the elephant in the room no one wants to tackle. Kids running around with phones and the craziness they have access to. This is what has changed over the last two decades. Not guns, and not politics. Blaming this on a party is a shortsighted and short minded copout for what is readily evident and apparent in every day life compared to that of the pre 90’s… if we only take the political blunders off and see things for what they are in every day life and the behaviors of the average individual.

Said and pathetic.

Too many people want a resolution to this increased madness but cant see past their political viewpoint to understand this is not a party issue. This is a community and cultural issue.

Every industrial nation has access to the same social media platforms as we do. Same social media, same games, same music, yet we crush them in shootings.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Every industrial nation has access to the same social media platforms as we do. Same social media, same games, same music, yet we crush them in shootings.

I don't know for sure, but I bet we crush them in children under 15 owning phones too. I also bet we crush them in amount of time children under 15 spend isolated in bedrooms vs doing family function events in the evenings, etc.
And average hours of television viewing a week. I bet we crush them on that too for children under 15.
Guns are part of the problem, but the foundation is our cultural behavior. No gun law or restriction is going to change this, until we change our family and community behavioral patterns. Seems those who just blame guns and republicans are the ones not wanting to address the real issues.

 

[Chris Craig]

Two more? Jesus

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Every industrial nation has access to the same social media platforms as we do. Same social media, same games, same music, yet we crush them in shootings.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/mass-shootings-by-country

 

[Phatguysrule]

Every industrial nation has access to the same social media platforms as we do. Same social media, same games, same music, yet we crush them in shootings.

But we dont have access to the same healthcare or judicial systems they do. And they don't have the war on drugs to contend with...

 

[SlyPokerDog]

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/mass-shootings-by-country


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https://corporatefinanceinstitute.com/resources/knowledge/other/mean/

 

[Phatguysrule]

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/mass-shootings-by-country


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Good find. I haven't seen that before.

 

[Chris Craig]

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/mass-shootings-by-country


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That's very misleading. That's an average of people who died when all of the mass shootings are added together and divided by the total in said country in a 6 year span.

There are far more mass shootings in the US and more...many more have died here as a result. Not to mention the smaller populations of these other countries would skew those results.

Also we have seen more mass shootings here in the six years following that then we ever have.

 

[Strenuus]

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/mass-shootings-by-country


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Per million? I may be ignorant or dumb and most likely both, but wont that skew numbers higher for less population?

Again, I can be proven wrong but just at it's face I feel that might be misleading. But I could be looking at this wrong too. I'm tired and not because I didn't get enough sleep.

 

[Chris Craig]

Per million? I may be ignorant or dumb and most likely both, but wont that skew numbers higher for less population?

Again, I can be proven wrong but just at it's face I feel that might be misleading. But I could be looking at this wrong too. I'm tired and not because I didn't get enough sleep.

Noticed that too

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

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[Phatguysrule]

That's very misleading. That's an average of people who died when all of the mass shootings are added together and divided by the total in said country in a 6 year span.

There are far more mass shootings in the US and more...many more have died here as a result. Not to mention the smaller populations of these other countries would skew those results.

Also we have seen more mass shootings here in the six years following that then we ever have.

It's almost like economic and political uncertainty stress people out or something.

 

[Phatguysrule]

That's very misleading. That's an average of people who died when all of the mass shootings are added together and divided by the total in said country in a 6 year span.

There are far more mass shootings in the US and more...many more have died here as a result. Not to mention the smaller populations of these other countries would skew those results.

Also we have seen more mass shootings here in the six years following that then we ever have.

It does give you an idea of the effectiveness of each mass shooting in each country though...

It would seem if Americans having access to worse weapons of war than other countries at such higher rates of ownership were a problem that the average number of deaths per mass shooting should be higher than any other country.

This is not conclusive, but it's certainly worth consideration...

 

[Phatguysrule]

Hmmm. Maybe he should have had his guns removed and his ID marked with a weapons restriction so anybody he tried to gain access to firearms from would know if he were dangerous.

 

[Chris Craig]

It does give you an idea of the effectiveness of each mass shooting in each country though...

It would seem if Americans having access to worse weapons of war than other countries at such higher rates of ownership were a problem that the average number of deaths per mass shooting should be higher than any other country.

This is not conclusive, but it's certainly worth consideration...

Do an average of the last six years and get back to me. Though again it would be skewed because a great difference in population size.

And it's not taking into account all the victims. There are thousands shot who aren't killed.

Again though the above mean tells us nothing as the US has far more deaths and far more shootings....the great number of shootings just makes the average look smaller. If you looked at the actual number of deaths per shooting in each country you would see more die here in most each shooting.

 

[calvin natt]

Sounds like someone who needs a frontal lobotomy.

Sounds like someone who needs to go to general pop and meet a boyfriend and gets raped a few times then beaten to near death. Not dead though. Close to it. Then back to gen pop and gets a new boyfriend. Over and over.

 

[calvin natt]

Instant everything and social media and their platforms overload is what is causing these.
What has changed is how we communicate. Forums, texts, news from google headlines, etc.
THIS is the elephant in the room no one wants to tackle. Kids running around with phones and the craziness they have access to. This is what has changed over the last two decades. Not guns, and not politics. Blaming this on a party is a shortsighted and short minded copout for what is readily evident and apparent in every day life compared to that of the pre 90’s… if we only take the political blunders off and see things for what they are in every day life and the behaviors of the average individual.

Said and pathetic.

Too many people want a resolution to this increased madness but cant see past their political viewpoint to understand this is not a party issue. This is a community and cultural issue.

Uh…the internet is…..everywhere. Hence “World Wide Web”

 

[Phatguysrule]

Do an average of the last six years and get back to me. Though again it would be skewed because a great difference in population size.

And it's not taking into account all the victims. There are thousands shot who aren't killed.

Again though the above mean tells us nothing as the US has far more deaths and far more shootings....the great number of shootings just makes the average look smaller. If you looked at the actual number of deaths per shooting in each country you would see more die here in most each shooting.

It's just a data point. Obviously it's talking about deaths rather than injuries. That's not uncommon.

And dealing with mean averages is generally considered a good way to compare events between different population sizes.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Uh…the internet is…..everywhere. Hence “World Wide Web”

Are you suggesting violence isn't increasing all over the world, rather just here in the US?

If so, are you basing this on any data you'd be willing to share?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Sounds like someone who needs to go to general pop and meet a boyfriend and gets raped a few times then beaten to near death. Not dead though. Close to it. Then back to gen pop and gets a new boyfriend. Over and over.

Would you support torturing this suspect?

 

[Chris Craig]

It's just a data point. Obviously it's talking about deaths rather than injuries. That's not uncommon.

And dealing with mean averages is generally considered a good way to compare events between different population sizes.

But, it's not a good way to compare. If you use the right data points, you can have the numbers say whatever you want. All of the countries above the US on that list are very small in comparison. That and the timeframe chosen affect the placement greatly. The results have been diluted to suit a certain viewpoint.

 

[calvin natt]

Are you suggesting violence isn't increasing all over the world, rather just here in the US?

If so, are you basing this on any data you'd be willing to share?

I’m responding to “it’s the phones and internets fault” idea. Like they aren’t everywhere. Unless I am missing the point.

 

[calvin natt]

Would you support torturing this suspect?

Huh?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Huh?

You seem ok with him being forcibly raped and beaten, just wondering if you would be ok if prison officials tortured him.

Kind of similar. I mean if you're cool with it, cool cool. I don't mind him being tortured

 

[Chris Craig]

Are you suggesting violence isn't increasing all over the world, rather just here in the US?

If so, are you basing this on any data you'd be willing to share?

Sure it is, but we are seeing mass shootings weekly, multiple times a week here. We aren't seeing them at that rate elsewhere.

 

[calvin natt]

You seem ok with him being forcibly raped and beaten, just wondering if you would be ok if prison officials tortured him.

Kind of similar. I mean if you're cool with it, cool cool. I don't mind him being tortured

Oh. Yes. I am fine with any and everything. I hope he gets raped on the way in, during his stay, nightly until he dies.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Oh. Yes. I am fine with any and everything. I hope he gets raped on the way in, during his stay, nightly until he dies.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Uh…the internet is…..everywhere. Hence “World Wide Web”

Hello,

I am not sure what your point is. Would you mind clarifying please?
Guns are everywhere too.
Are you saying that because the internet is everywhere, its impossible for parents to keep it from their children on a more regular basis?

 

[Phatguysrule]

Sure it is, but we are seeing mass shootings weekly, multiple times a week here. We aren't seeing them at that rate elsewhere.

Correct. Again, it's a data point. We are a more violent nation than most other places.

We always have been. Our gini coefficient is far worse than those places. The places we have a better gini coefficient than have more violent crime and murder than we do.

Most other countries also don't have our population. In fact, only 2 do. So it's not surprising a more violent nation with more people would get more events more often.