OT Mass shooting at video game tournament in Jacksonville leaves multiple dead

[riverman]

I have driven my combined, repaired my combined, worked my combined where needed. Never did anything with a combined in town. No need nor is there a 2nd amendment or the equivalent covering my use of combined. I still an not likely to drive one downtown. Might pack some protection though, when I feel the need.

When I was farming with my family in Iowa, there were restrictions for a 14 year old with an agricultural license...only rural roads or two lane paved roads that accessed fields...a 14 year old was not allowed to drive farm equipment within the city limits...I'm sure it varies from state to state and I was 14 in the mid 60s..those laws might not be the same anymore...we never needed weapons to go to town and I knew of no one in my county who would think of carrying a weapon to town ...to transport a hunting weapon there were restrictions...one was they must be unloaded.

 

[MarAzul]

I beg to differ....and my posts weren't rants..mediocre man and I were discussing the issues of mass shootings and mental health in a very logical fashion..it's fine for you to disagree but I didn't claim to have the answer to this problem..I just voiced possibilities and opinions..whether in the minority or not, they are my opinions ...not rants..learn the difference and we'll have the conversations Marz….I have solid views about mental health and gun control but never claimed to have the answers...rather I pose the questions I deem relevant...best to talk about the subject than about me Marz...that's the logical path. We don't have to agree to have these conversations but we should have these conversations.

Opinions one can not stand by are usually of feeling, not logical deductions based on observable facts and logical thinking.
Feelings are often used to justify ignoring current law, including the Constitution. Serious proposals to change laws are more often the result of study and serious logical deductions. Just offering you, old friend, my observation.

 

[Lanny]

I think it's because you must control or manage your condition...as opposed to your son or the shooter from Baltimore from what I've read...do you allow your son access to guns and ammo given his condition?

When my schizophrenic brother was at the peak of his illness and not yet on medications, our family went through hell trying to keep him from buying a handgun. He was bound and determined and there was no law at that time preventing it.

 

[riverman]

Opinions one can not stand by are usually of feeling, not logical deductions based on observable facts and logical thinking.
Feelings are often used to justify ignoring current law, including the Constitution. Serious proposals to change laws are more often the result of study and serious logical deductions. Just offering you, old friend, my observation.

I stand by my opinion...after the fact they are just opinions that engage the topic...and it's logical to me to question if current laws are working...but I respect your right to your opinion that you are happy with current laws...that's fair

 

[MarAzul]

When I was farming with my family in Iowa, there were restrictions for a 14 year old with an agricultural license...only rural roads or two lane paved roads that accessed fields...a 14 year old was not allowed to drive farm equipment within the city limits...I'm sure it varies from state to state and I was 14 in the mid 60s..those laws might not be the same anymore...we never needed weapons to go to town and I knew of no one in my county who would think of carrying a weapon to town ...to transport a hunting weapon there were restrictions...one was they must be unloaded.

I often went to school with my rifle in the car. Many times went hunting directly from school. Sometimes the result was dinner.
Other times it was straight to work and then later hunting before cooking the dinner. Always the short nose 32 was home where it might be needed quickly. I suspect your Dad took care of that for you.

 

[MarAzul]

happy with current laws...that's fair

I would love to see solid proposals to change current law, that are the result of sound logical thinking. Changes that do not strip
people of their right to protect themselves or make it unreasonable expensive and thereby denying them the tools of protection with force when required.

Cogent well thought out proposals, not just feelings.

 

[barfo]

I often went to school with my rifle in the car. Many times went hunting directly from school.

BS. We all know cars weren't generally available until the early 1900's.

barfo

 

[Hoopguru]

I would love to see solid proposals to change current law, that are the result of sound logical thinking. Changes that do not strip
people of their right to protect themselves or make it unreasonable expensive and thereby denying them the tools of protection with force when required.

Cogent well thought out proposals, not just feelings.

I used to have a gun rack in my 56 Chevy pick up. You could drive around with a rifle as long as it was showing.

 

[MarAzul]

BS. We all know cars weren't generally available until the early 1900's.

barfo

True. But most people took enough math to get by.

 

[MarAzul]

I used to have a gun rack in my 56 Chevy pick up. You could drive around with a rifle as long as it was showing.

Didn't need a gun rack that year, and the Truck would have been way too costly. I began my active duty Navy time that year.

 

[MarAzul]

I usually try to make it a practice of studying people enough to determine their character type. This can then be use to predict their responses and takes on various positions. Not much sense in expecting the results of debate to change any opinions. Sometimes you can change logical deductions, but even then that more often is because a fact error was discovered or deductions was made in error. It very uncommon for a feeling to change from the result of another persons logical reasoning. The decision making process is not based on the same data so discussing it further is usually fruitless. But if common ground can be found then perhaps the weight of feels can change.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

I would love to see solid proposals to change current law, that are the result of sound logical thinking. Changes that do not strip
people of their right to protect themselves or make it unreasonable expensive and thereby denying them the tools of protection with force when required.

Cogent well thought out proposals, not just feelings.

This country has had a history of finding simple answers to complex problems, prohibition being a perfect example.

 

[MarAzul]

This country has had a history of finding simple answers to complex problems, prohibition being a perfect example.

A classic example of making a law from a feeling.

 

[barfo]

I usually try to make it a practice of studying people enough to determine their character type. This can then be use to predict their responses and takes on various positions. Not much sense in expecting the results of debate to change any opinions. Sometimes you can change logical deductions, but even then that more often is because a fact error was discovered or deductions was made in error. It very uncommon for a feeling to change from the result of another persons logical reasoning. The decision making process is not based on the same data so discussing it further is usually fruitless. But if common ground can be found then perhaps the weight of feels can change.

Haven't seen you change any of your feelings here, so I expect you are right.

barfo

 

[riverman]

I usually try to make it a practice of studying people enough to determine their character type

To do this objectively requires not making assumptions or projections subjectively....I too study character and have views about character types ...I do not tell them they are not worth talking with because they disagree with my views unless they are insulting however. Respect is usually countered with respect...those I have no respect for, I'll own my subjectivity about..respect is also earned from one's value systems

 

[MarAzul]

Haven't seen you change any of your feelings here, so I expect you are right.

barfo

You are a quick study sir!

 

[CupWizier]

This country has had a history of finding simple answers to complex problems, prohibition being a perfect example.

Prohibition? Uh, that was in the 1920's, lol. At least use a current example that might pertain to todays world.

 

[MarAzul]

To do this objectively requires not making assumptions or projections subjectively....I too study character and have views about character types ...I do not tell them they are not worth talking with because they disagree with my views unless they are insulting however. Respect is usually countered with respect...those I have no respect for, I'll own my subjectivity about..respect is also earned from one's value systems

Well river, I do not intend to show you disrespect unless you ask for it. Like I said, I like you.
But you do know of times you beg it on. I have been known to respond, in like kind of course. Doesn't mean, I don't like you.

 

[riverman]

Well river, I do not intend to show you disrespect unless you ask for it. Like I said, I like you.
But you do know of times you beg it on. I have been known to respond, in like kind of course. Doesn't mean, I don't like you.

fair enough

 

[yankeesince59]

I call BS.

No legal hunter in America has never heard of anyone using a handgun to hunt with.

https://screenshots.firefox.com/zeAV9dAIUCOhkvjQ/www.dfw.state.or.us

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....lmfao ...that only shows what guns are "ALLOWED" for hunting...not what weapons are actually USED in hunting. And sorry but I am a lifetime member of the NRA and have been a registered and licensed hunter in the state of Georgia for nearly 40 years and NO ONE I have ever known has ever used a handgun for hunting.

...you could probably add rocks and rubber band guns and Star Trek Phasers to the list. Can you use a handgun for dove/duck hunting? Yes, but a shotgun is recommended....can you use a 44 magnum pistol for deer/elk hunting?...yes, but a rifle is recommended.
...please don't try to carry on a convo about something that you obviously know very little if anything about...and you call "BS" on me?...puhlease.


...that myopic copy and paste disorder you possess has once again exposed you.

 

[MarAzul]

puhlease

uh excuse me. But it appears you two agreed on the hand gun not a good choice as a hunting weapon. err hunting for food I mean.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

....lmfao ...that only shows what guns are "ALLOWED" for hunting...not what weapons are actually USED in hunting. And sorry but I am a lifetime member of the NRA and have been a registered and licensed hunter in the state of Georgia for nearly 40 years and NO ONE I have ever known has ever used a handgun for hunting.

...you could probably add rocks and rubber band guns and Star Trek Phasers to the list. Can you use a handgun for dove/duck hunting? Yes, but a shotgun is recommended....can you use a 44 magnum pistol for deer/elk hunting?...yes, but a rifle is recommended.
...please don't try to carry on a convo about something that you obviously know very little if anything about...and you call "BS" on me?...puhlease.


...that myopic copy and paste disorder you possess has once again exposed you.

Pretty common practice when hunting Bear in Alaska, Big Horn Sheep or Moose, to carry a hand gun for back up.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I call BS.

No legal hunter in America has never heard of anyone using a handgun to hunt with.

https://screenshots.firefox.com/zeAV9dAIUCOhkvjQ/www.dfw.state.or.us

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Dude, I have a handgun I hunt with. I shoot wild hogs with it

 

[MarAzul]

Dude, I have a handgun I hunt with. I shoot wild hogs with it

Yes, I have heard of this. I think it is common practice in California and Texas I think.

 

[Shaboid]

Pretty common practice when hunting Bear in Alaska, Big Horn Sheep or Moose, to carry a hand gun for back up.

Also helpful to have one if one needs put an elk out of it's misery, instead of letting it suffer.

 

[riverman]

Also helpful to have one if one needs put an elk out of it's misery, instead of letting it suffer.

A rifle serves the same purpose but can do the job from a safe distance...a wounded bear or moose I want to finish off from a safe distance.

 

[yankeesince59]

uh excuse me. But it appears you two agreed on the hand gun not a good choice as a hunting weapon. err hunting for food I mean.

...uh excuse me...no, read it again.

 

[yankeesince59]

Pretty common practice when hunting Bear in Alaska, Big Horn Sheep or Moose, to carry a hand gun for back up.

...no, the hand gun is used for DEFENSE or "backup" as you put it...and not typically used for actual "hunting".

...hand guns are for close range...when using a handgun a deer/elk/moose will hear/see/smell you before he gets in "range" and so you probably won't get a shot anyway...a short barreled pistol (44 mag for example) is nowhere near as accurate as a much longer barreled rifle such as a Remington .308 which I prefer...but I also have a .243 which is the flattest shooting and most accurate rifle I've ever owned...at 200 yards I can group 5 shots within 3 inches of each other easily.


...I know what I'm talking about here.

 

[yankeesince59]

A rifle serves the same purpose but can do the job from a safe distance...a wounded bear or moose I want to finish off from a safe distance.

...TAH DAH !!!...thank you.

 

[jonnyboy]

Pretty common practice when hunting Bear in Alaska, Big Horn Sheep or Moose, to carry a hand gun for back up.

Actually, handguns are used as the primary weapon for bear hunting in alot of instances. It's extremely common.