OT Mass shooting in Texas, at least 5 dead, 20 injured

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I bet the shooter has autism

You may be right.

https://www.expressnews.com/news/lo...-lived-in-a-dirt-floor-shack-and-14407506.php

Combs said Ator “was on a long spiral of going down.” He said that despite Ator’s odd behavior, authorities had no basis to intervene earlier.

“Thousands of people call law enforcement every day with crazy ramblings,” Combs said. “The bar is when somebody makes threatening comments.”

Known to his closest neighbors as “El Loco,” the crazy one, Ator kept to himself.

The nickname was partly a joke and partly an expression of community unease.

“He had no communication with anyone. It was the way he acted. I thought, this person is not well,” said a neighbor who declined to be identified. “While he seemed to me to have an emotional problem, I never could have imagined him doing something like this.”

Ator did not exchange greetings, did not have visitors at his home and spent a lot of time shooting his black rifle from a second-floor window into the field below. Neighbors sometimes heard loud rock music.

His only known friend was a small tan dog that he cared for with obvious affection. One of his last acts before the rampage was to come home and feed the dog.


“When we first moved in seven months ago, he struck us as something new, but we got used to him,” said Salet Holguin, 24, who lives nearby. “He wasn’t friendly. My husband told me that if he ever came over here, to not open the door.”

Bryan Holguin, 25, the man who warned his wife to be wary, said Ator’s violent, destructive end was not a complete surprise.

“It’s sad that he’s dead, but it also might be a relief because I thought eventually that’s how he might end up,” he said.

“I had that feeling. He always seemed so sad, with problems on his face.”

 

[Hoopguru]

That was my favorite drive-in back in the day. Can still taste the root beer.

barfo

Mine was Whiz Burger across form Cleveland. 15 cent burgers

 

[riverman]

Trump hasn't forced all libs to relocate to Puerto Rico.

He's made prunetang live on an island off the Gulf coast!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

He's made prunetang live on an island off the Gulf coast!

Wouldn't we all do that to him if we were president.

 

[CupWizier]

Mine was Whiz Burger across form Cleveland. 15 cent burgers

My wife speaks of Whiz Burger often as she grew up on SE 18th just off Powell before moving to the Wahi school district. Grant had Yaws and Bocs Burgers.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The gunman bought the gun from a private party.

He couldn't legally buy the gun from a gun store but in Texas, no matter what kind of criminal convictions you have, you can buy guns from private parties.

Cool!

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

The gunman bought the gun from a private party.

He couldn't legally buy the gun from a gun store but in Texas, no matter what kind of criminal convictions you have, you can buy guns from private parties.

Cool!

He failed the background check due to his mental health issues. These freaks need to be out of society. I'm guessing bad parenting led to ignoring whatever mental condition he had, which was left untreated/unregulated. For him to live off the grid like he did isn't normal.

They need to stop these private sales. They should be highly regulated, if we even should allow them at all.

 

[calvin natt]

 

[The Professional Fan]

First of all, my post said nothing whatsoever about anything "racist". It referred to "fascist" policies.

Secondly, nice bubble you live in, I guess?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans#Crime
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis#Crime
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Detroit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore#Crime
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-chicago-homicides-data-tracker-htmlstory.html

I've been in relationships with women that are very possibly bi-polar and inevitably they tell me I'm bi-polar through projection
I see this is happening with the right wing and fascism

 

[Lanny]

Marisbot- do you find one thing about Trump to be bad?

I'll answer that, No, he doesn't.

 

[Lanny]

The gunman bought the gun from a private party.

He couldn't legally buy the gun from a gun store but in Texas, no matter what kind of criminal convictions you have, you can buy guns from private parties.

Cool!

Apparently not. The seller is not supposed to sell to such a person but who would know until the shit hit the fan.
Here's what I found:
"Private sales, which some estimates suggest account for 25 to 40 percent of all gun sales, are not subject to a federal background check in the United States. If the person selling the firearm knows the buyer cannot legally purchase or possess a firearm, they would be violating the law. But they are not required to find out if the person can possess a firearm and are not required to conduct a background check."

 

[MARIS61]

So you can’t find 1 week, 7 days. Topic after topic you obfuscate with false claims and outright lies. It’s just not worth reading your lying posts.

Then ignore them.

Deliberately distorting them and misquoting me reflects poorly on your posts.

 

[MARIS61]

One struggles to stand let alone walk without an Achilles.

The “lemmings” if you will are citizens doing what they can to get by, to support their friends there families. Its the common man and woman. Society crumbles without them.

The danger to society has rarely been the common citizen but the failed leadership, who are making poor decisions and failing the ones they walk on.

Pretending that the problem is the ones with a cell phone, and not the idiots shooting people is ridiculous. Our problem is literally that our leadership, both past and present has failed us, and wedged a hate sized knife in the achilles.

No, these lemmings are not the common man and woman. They are an aberration and a blight on humanity. They value likes on twitter and friend requests on Facebook over the safety and survival of their children and themselves. Rather than guide their children to safety or at least shield them from bullets with their body, they search for a better camera angle for their pointless video. No parental instinct, no nurturing instinct, no protective instinct, no instinct at all. Empty-headed, programmed bots of compliance and apathy. Waiting for the DNC to find another Hitler to tell them what to do.

No leader can do much of anything if the citizens unite to revolt or oppose him/her.

Hitler was able to murder 30-70 million people not because he had an AK-47 with a clip that held 100 million bullets, but because his countrymen and countrywomen were cowardly, intellectually lazy sheep with no culture of personal responsibility. Self-absorbed, narcissistic, greedy, void of any sense of morality, and every bit as evil as Hitler himself. His party platform was nearly identical to today's DNC platform, and the DNC's strategy is straight out of his playbook. The DNC's billionaire top donor is a former employee of Hitler, but he's nothing without these lemmings to do his bidding.

 

[MARIS61]

Marisbot- do you find one thing about Trump to be bad?

Of course, no human is perfect. But I am amazed at how much good he has managed to accomplish for America's most downtrodden and abused citizens despite a wall of obstruction and hate from the Dems. Record-breaking social progress for a nation that had been coddling and encouraging discrimination, lawlessness and hate of fellow citizens. Restoring our economy while destroying those of our enemies. Ending reliance on other countries for energy. Providing job training and opportunities for ex-cons, mentally-challenged, vets, women, minorities to re-enter a society they have been excluded from for most of their lives.

But...

So far, he has completely failed at his promise to protect the Second Amendment and actually wasted 2 opportunities to nominate a SCOTUS who would defend it properly.

I am hopeful his soon to come 3rd and 4th appointments will be people who actually share views with our founding fathers, putting an end once and for all to those who would attempt to disarm American citizens.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

No, these lemmings are not the common man and woman. They are an aberration and a blight on humanity. They value likes on twitter and friend requests on Facebook over the safety and survival of their children and themselves. Rather than guide their children to safety or at least shield them from bullets with their body, they search for a better camera angle for their pointless video. No parental instinct, no nurturing instinct, no protective instinct, no instinct at all. Empty-headed, programmed bots of compliance and apathy. Waiting for the DNC to find another Hitler to tell them what to do.

No leader can do much of anything if the citizens unite to revolt or oppose him/her.

Hitler was able to murder 30-70 million people not because he had an AK-47 with a clip that held 100 million bullets, but because his countrymen and countrywomen were cowardly, intellectually lazy sheep with no culture of personal responsibility. Self-absorbed, narcissistic, greedy, void of any sense of morality, and every bit as evil as Hitler himself. His party platform was nearly identical to today's DNC platform, and the DNC's strategy is straight out of his playbook. The DNC's billionaire top donor is a former employee of Hitler, but he's nothing without these lemmings to do his bidding.

Lol, just wow. Im dumbfounded at how ridiculous this post is.

 

[MARIS61]

Alzheimers does horrific things to the mind.

Deep State puppet Reagan read the lines he was given, bringing havoc and corporate plunder to a nation already on it's heels.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Basic history.

Read a book or 2, learn how wrong you are.

Ah, right the insult his intelligence tactic good look. The fact is you’re all over the place.

Its either agree with you and your values or someone is a blight on humanity, or worse than Hitler. Its ironic, since you seem to hate conformists, but also have decided that those who dont conform to you are also the problem.

It’s hate filled nonsense, its just as bad if not worse than the leftists who say that all conservatives are Fascists or Nazi’s. Its you saying that all the leftists are basically hitler, that they’re all evil and need to be wiped off the planet like a plague.

 

[MARIS61]

He failed the background check due to his mental health issues. These freaks need to be out of society. I'm guessing bad parenting led to ignoring whatever mental condition he had, which was left untreated/unregulated. For him to live off the grid like he did isn't normal.

They need to stop these private sales. They should be highly regulated, if we even should allow them at all.

No, he failed because of his criminal record. He was a bad person who refused to take personal responsibility for his failures in meeting life's challenges.

Federal background checks do not include any sort of mental health assessment.

Blaming parents for raising children who have mental health disabilities but failing to cure them is absurd. There is no cure for most mental illnesses, only treatment which has marginal success in some cases of voluntary acceptance. Mostly, it involves being heavily drugged to where the patient has little feeling of any emotion, is lethargic and confused, and unable to participate in society.

Most poor people live off the grid, as do many of my clients for save the Earth reasons. It is economical and very normal.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Ive always considered myself a moderate, that leaned conservative, and in many elections would have voted for R’s.
I just want to throw this is out though. Im sick and tired of both sides in a lot of ways, but the mental gymnastics that to many on the right are playing to “keep” there guns, rah, rah 2nd amendment, to protect openly racist groups, to vilify literally every one who doesn't comply has gotten to the point I have a hard time associating with them. I believe conservative things have merits and arguments to be made both socially and fiscally, but you cant make good arguments when you’re spending all your time justifying crappy behavior.

Republicans should be the 1st to be cleaning up their own house instead of worrying about trying to create more dirt for the DNC. Its nuts to me that all this conservative “values”, and yet those values are only meaningful when its vilifying the opposition, living out those values yourself nah no way. Im probably painting with a wide brush, but my goodness...

 

[MARIS61]

Ah, right the insult his intelligence tactic good look.

I replied to this: Lol, just wow. Im dumbfounded at how ridiculous this post is.

1. Who's insulting whose intelligence?

2. The rest of your post insults everyone's intelligence by misquoting and misrepresenting my post, even though it is plain to see.

3. Maybe if you put your 2 minds together you can construct a credible challenge to what I actually posted, most of which I gleaned from history books about the rise of the Third Reich, The Communist Party of China, and Lenin's Russian Communist Party.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I replied to this: Lol, just wow. Im dumbfounded at how ridiculous this post is.

1. Who's insulting whose intelligence?

2. The rest of your post insults everyone's intelligence by misquoting and misrepresenting my post, even though it is plain to see.

3. Maybe if you put your 2 minds together you can construct a credible challenge to what I actually posted, most of which I gleaned from history books about the rise of the Third Reich, The Communist Party of China, and Lenin's Russian Communist Party.

I spoke of your post, not of you. You told me I had to read books. One is an insult of the person, one is an insult of the ideas espoused in a post.

Oh and # 3 hey good job trying to insult me again. You claim the DNC and all of its members are all Hitlers basically, I'm not the one making bogus claims you have to prove it not I.

You claim that the DNC is running on the same platforms as Hitler did, they aren't, but again the onus is on you to prove your claims not on me to refute them.

 

[Further]

Then ignore them, since you have so much trouble comprehending simple English.

Deliberately distorting them and misquoting me reflects poorly on your posts.

Fake news

 

[Lanny]

No, these lemmings are not the common man and woman. They are an aberration and a blight on humanity. They value likes on twitter and friend requests on Facebook over the safety and survival of their children and themselves. Rather than guide their children to safety or at least shield them from bullets with their body, they search for a better camera angle for their pointless video. No parental instinct, no nurturing instinct, no protective instinct, no instinct at all. Empty-headed, programmed bots of compliance and apathy. Waiting for the DNC to find another Hitler to tell them what to do.

No leader can do much of anything if the citizens unite to revolt or oppose him/her.

Hitler was able to murder 30-70 million people not because he had an AK-47 with a clip that held 100 million bullets, but because his countrymen and countrywomen were cowardly, intellectually lazy sheep with no culture of personal responsibility. Self-absorbed, narcissistic, greedy, void of any sense of morality, and every bit as evil as Hitler himself. His party platform was nearly identical to today's DNC platform, and the DNC's strategy is straight out of his playbook. The DNC's billionaire top donor is a former employee of Hitler, but he's nothing without these lemmings to do his bidding.

Werner Von Braun was a former employee of Hitler.
Oskar Schindler was a former employee of Hitler.
Raoul Gustaf Wallenberg was a former employee of Hitler.

 

[stampedehero]

This was not a
mass shooting. It was a series of individual shootings by a solitary career criminal.
Something that happens every day of the year in our most facist gun control cities, without media or politicians comments.
Only a Fake News item because he was white.
If we’re going to use misleading and politically motivated terminology to brainwash the masses let’s at least go for the appearance of accuracy.

The real terminology translated; words can't bring back the innocent dead-------------

 

[Chris Craig]

No, he failed because of his criminal record. He was a bad person who refused to take personal responsibility for his failures in meeting life's challenges.

Federal background checks do not include any sort of mental health assessment.

Blaming parents for raising children who have mental health disabilities but failing to cure them is absurd. There is no cure for most mental illnesses, only treatment which has marginal success in some cases of voluntary acceptance. Mostly, it involves being heavily drugged to where the patient has little feeling of any emotion, is lethargic and confused, and unable to participate in society.

Most poor people live off the grid, as do many of my clients for save the Earth reasons. It is economical and very normal.

If all guns sales required background checks he wouldn't have been able to acquire one and shoot those people.

Background checks for guns need to include mental health history.

 

[Chris Craig]

Private sellers should want to know who they are selling guns to. I am sure no one for the most part wants it on their conscience that they sold a gun to someone who ended up using it to execute a mass shooting.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

No, he failed because of his criminal record. He was a bad person who refused to take personal responsibility for his failures in meeting life's challenges.

Wrong.
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/cri...background-check-due-to-mental-health-issues/

The gunman in a West Texas rampage that left seven dead obtained his AR-style rifle through a private sale, allowing him to evade a federal background check that blocked him from getting a gun in 2014 due to a "mental health issue," a law enforcement official said.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Blaming parents for raising children who have mental health disabilities but failing to cure them is absurd. There is no cure for most mental illnesses, only treatment which has marginal success in some cases of voluntary acceptance. Mostly, it involves being heavily drugged to where the patient has little feeling of any emotion, is lethargic and confused, and unable to participate in society.

No its not. Parents have the absolute responsibility to keep their mentally defective children regulated. If it involves them being heavily drugged and unable to participate in society, well, it beats the shit out of having them commit mass shootings. Not everyone is cut out to be a functioning member of society.

Since the parents often fail, we need a regulatory board to determine who are these psychos and get them out of society before they do their crimes.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

The next revolution. They need to study these shooters to determine predicative patterns.

https://www.apnews.com/eca5dcff514b49eb8edaaf301d0a3a3d

Paul Hildreth peered at a display of dozens of images from security cameras surveying his Atlanta school district and settled on one showing a woman in a bright yellow shirt walking a hallway.

A mouse click instructed the artificial intelligence-equipped system to find other images of the woman, and it immediately stitched them into a video narrative of where she was currently, where she had been and where she was going.

There was no threat, but Hildreth’s demonstration showed what’s possible with AI-powered cameras. If a gunman were in one of his schools, the cameras could quickly identify the shooter’s location and movements, allowing police to end the threat as soon as possible, said Hildreth, emergency operations coordinator for the Fulton County School District.

 

[Lanny]

No, he failed because of his criminal record. He was a bad person who refused to take personal responsibility for his failures in meeting life's challenges.

Federal background checks do not include any sort of mental health assessment.

Blaming parents for raising children who have mental health disabilities but failing to cure them is absurd. There is no cure for most mental illnesses, only treatment which has marginal success in some cases of voluntary acceptance. Mostly, it involves being heavily drugged to where the patient has little feeling of any emotion, is lethargic and confused, and unable to participate in society.

Most poor people live off the grid, as do many of my clients for save the Earth reasons. It is economical and very normal.

I'm going to challenge your assertion. Everybody has a mental problem of some degree or another. Even psychiatrists go through some treatment as part of their training.
A long time ago I presented a study that showed four main characteristics of highly successful people:
1. Life long exercise, preferably aerobic;
2. Mentoring others and it can't be something along your professional background. It must be purely voluntary;
3. A spiritual awareness which for me is both religious and scientific. The religious aspect is something that I gained from my religious schooling in my youth which just feels both right and good. It also stems from my attempts to grasp the concept of infinity which just blows my mind to the point where I feel my head spinning and I have to take a break and go watch an episode of The Three Stooges;
4. A life long pursuit of improving one's mental health.

Note item 4.