Matt Barnes says he will continue to use the N word

[The_Lillard_King]

If I called my boss an asshole, I think the ramifications could be bad.

If I told my boss I hate woman, I think the ramifications could be bad.

If I told my boss that the government put wires in my brain and are constantly watching me, I think the ramification could be bad.


Why is my boss controlling what I think and say?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

MM, why do you care if black people say n1gga?

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

I didn't know those two entities were physically restraining you from saying the word. Whatever.

All communication is dictated by social mores and has undertone, intent, and consequences. We don't live in a cultural vacuum. Accept that different people can, and will, say different things.

 

[Further]

I just don't get why MM and a couple others are so perturbed by the idea that some people don't like white people to say the N-word but don't have the same problem about much less heated racial slurs against white people like cracker. Most people think both are wrong, but N is more wrong. It's a persons right legally to be able to say it, and it's my right to lose all respect for the person (depending somewhat on context) if they use it.

It might be a bit of a double standard, but look at the background as to why there is that double standard. It's cemented in a history of racism. You take those words out of context, give them to two alien species with no history, I couldn't give a shit about them using either word. But this is the real world, this is in a society with an actual history, and that history informs our current societal norms.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

I just don't get why MM and a couple others are so perturbed by the idea that some people don't like white people to say the N-word but don't have the same problem about much less heated racial slurs against white people like cracker. Most people think both are wrong, but N is more wrong. It's a persons right legally to be able to say it, and it's my right to lose all respect for the person (depending somewhat on context) if they use it.

It might be a bit of a double standard, but look at the background as to why there is that double standard. It's cemented in a history of racism. You take those words out of context, give them to two alien species with no history, I couldn't give a shit about them using either word. But this is the real world, this is in a society with an actual history, and that history informs our current societal norms.

No but you see, slavery is over and no one is racist anymore. Therefore my indifference to people I offend is justified.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I just don't get why MM and a couple others are so perturbed by the idea that some people don't like white people to say the N-word but don't have the same problem about much less heated racial slurs against white people like cracker. Most people think both are wrong, but N is more wrong. It's a persons right legally to be able to say it, and it's my right to lose all respect for the person (depending somewhat on context) if they use it.

It might be a bit of a double standard, but look at the background as to why there is that double standard. It's cemented in a history of racism. You take those words out of context, give them to two alien species with no history, I couldn't give a shit about them using either word. But this is the real world, this is in a society with an actual history, and that history informs our current societal norms.

I think in the case of MM, he answered that in his original post with this idea bothering him:

Why can black people tell white people what they can and can't say then?

 

[Mediocre Man]

I just don't get why MM and a couple others are so perturbed by the idea that some people don't like white people to say the N-word but don't have the same problem about much less heated racial slurs against white people like cracker. Most people think both are wrong, but N is more wrong. It's a persons right legally to be able to say it, and it's my right to lose all respect for the person (depending somewhat on context) if they use it.

It might be a bit of a double standard, but look at the background as to why there is that double standard. It's cemented in a history of racism. You take those words out of context, give them to two alien species with no history, I couldn't give a shit about them using either word. But this is the real world, this is in a society with an actual history, and that history informs our current societal norms.

I have a HUGE problem with the double standard. All racial slurs are bad, and NONE are worse than the others.

 

[Mediocre Man]

No but you see, slavery is over and no one is racist anymore. Therefore my indifference to people I offend is justified.

No but you see, racism and slavery are different. A 24 year old white supremacist has never owned a slave in his life, but he is still racist.

 

[Further]

I have a HUGE problem with the double standard. All racial slurs are bad, and NONE are worse than the others.

You and I agree on the first part, all are bad. The second part just isnt the case. Even if we stay in one race there is a gradient. Calling a Black person the N-word is worse than calling him colored. both are slurs, one is worse.

 

[MARIS61]

But this is the MAJORMEDIA world, this is in a society with a completely revised version of our history, and that propaganda distorts and infects our current societal abnormalities.

Fify.

 

[Further]

Fify.

In this case, I would say it's the opposite. The actual history is far more devastating and bigoted than our media details or highlights. But regardless, societies are built on their past, and if that past is really racist or just perceived as racist, the society will reflect that racism by either embracing the racism or admonishing their previous views. Luckily, we are in a society that for the most part wants to grow past earlier racism.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

I have a HUGE problem with the double standard. All racial slurs are bad, and NONE are worse than the others.

Only in a vacuum. Words have context, and it's generally accepted that one word is worse than another.

So your problem is really with the people who accept that premise, which is most people.

So can't we just cut to the chase? Go ahead and list all the societal ills that you believe contribute to this incorrect mindset and we can let this thread die.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

If my white friend playfully calls me a honky, does that make anyone angry?

Weird

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Only in a vacuum. Words have context, and it's generally accepted that one word is worse than another.

So your problem is really with the people who accept that premise, which is most people.

So can't we just cut to the chase? Go ahead and list all the societal ills that you believe contribute to this incorrect mindset and we can let this thread die.

no man

all words should be equal

The value of any word is only a social construct.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

MM, why do you care if black people say n1gga?

yeah man...when I was a kid, all the brothers only used the N word when they were being playful

fact is, that is the only time they do it now, huh?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

All words should be equal?

What kind of socialist bullshit is that? The elite words rise to the top

 

[3RA1N1AC]

yeah man...when I was a kid, all the brothers only used the N word when they were being playful

fact is, that is the only time they do it now, huh?

Not following

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Not following

I will try to track..

all words are equal

any word can be what ever it is to be believed it is

the meaning of any word is only a social construct

anyone can use any word for any purpose

we all can make up silly bullshit

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

no man

all words should be equal

The value of any word is only a social construct.

all words are equal for the reason you stated

I'm not talking about value, though, I'm talking about contextual power.

but really you're just trolling me with arguments from the sex/gender debate, so nevermind.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

all words are equal for the reason you stated

I'm not talking about value, though, I'm talking about contextual power.

but really you're just trolling me with arguments from the sex/gender debate, so nevermind.

value was the wrong word...in my defense, I am a little busy at work, and am using this for entertainment only.

Not trolling, but rather thought you would appreciate the fact that a lesson you taught me was put to use as well as retained

yeah to Trolling Brainiac a bit cause I like him

 

[3RA1N1AC]

I will try to track..

all words are equal

any word can be what ever it is to be believed it is

the meaning of any word is only a social construct

anyone can use any word for any purpose

we all can make up silly bullshit

some words are onamonapias

 

[DaLincolnJones]

some words are onamonapias

lol Dick.


I had to look that up..I could not for the life of me remember what it meant..hahahahahha

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Your point remains valid though, because you can catch a buzz or the clap

 

[Further]

no man

all words should be equal

The value of any word is only a social construct.

Words aren't even equal in scrabble, let alone real life. Deciding to call people ProChoice or ProAbortion mean the same thing by definition, but in context completely change the slant of the statement. Yes, the value of any word is only a social construct, but as long as you aren't yelling it alone in the woods, it's exactly that social construct that counts. Does a tree make a sound if nobody is around to hear it? Words only have the same value if nobody is around to hear or even say it. It's what language is. A way to disseminate ideas, and with that, those words have value.